TP - You have contradicted every opinion statement I made, been critical of a Colt calling out players while defending your QB under the same scenario AND making excuses for your losses while disparaging the losses of other.  SHOCKER!!
 
RESPONSE: What the hell are you talking about? You have still failed to answer my three questions.

Now, I thought I responded to your very slanted questions rather well, but I'll be a little more elementary for you since apparently you didn't get it.
 
RESPONSE: How are they slanted?? They are direct and to the point.

1.  I don't know if I agree with Polian.  I'd have to watch the game again, but on its face, I should agree with him because a) he knows his football and his team b) in all his years in Indy he has never struck me as a guy with ulterior motives.  I understand that with Belchick's secrecy everyone tries to find hidden meaning in his words.  I generally believe you can take Polian at face value.

RESPONSE: Dodging the question. Either you agree with him or you don't.

2.  Its not hard for different people to have different opinions about the same thing.  It happens on this board every day, so it does not surprise me that the players might see things differently.  Beyond that, it is human nature to defend ones self.

RESPONSE: Dodging the question again! Are you seriously saying that the veterans who played wouldn't know the truth?  

3...I'd imagine that Polian was critical of his OL because he thought they played poorly.  Surpised?  Usually the purpose of a face value person (that I believe Polian is) in being critical of a group of players is to a) inform them of their feelings and in doing so b) suggest that they do better next time. Now - hopefully I've satisfied your curiosity in the most elementary way.  Now why don't you humor me by answering your questions yourself.

RESPONSE: What a bunch of blather and BS. What a wuss!!! 
posted by underdoggg

Tex, I would love to know what goes through your head sometimes. The way you respond to posts by breaking them up, it takes certain things out of context.
 
RESPONSE: Please explain to me what I took out of context?

You get into this mindless banter with Doggg, who for the most part contributes well on this board. (Doggg do not get a big head, you have had some bad days on here).
 
RESPONSE: Dog(gg) contributes well on this board?? LOL!!

I think Peppers, and a healthy Urlacher, old or not, makes the Bears D better. I never said elite or anything. I said it makes them better, as in better than last year.
 
RESPONSE: I never put words in your mouth about the Bears being "elite". I just responded to your statement that the Bears will be better than last year. I disagree. Every other team in their division has improved more than them.

Cutler should improve because he is more familiar with his receivers this year. I do not think he is going to the pro bowl, but chances are his chemistry is better this year than it was last year.
 
RESPONSE: Who are his WRs? Devin Hester supposedly will be his #1 guy. Though Hester is (was?) a great return man, he's a very average WR. Ever since the Bears have tried to convert him into an every down WR, his effectiveness as a  returner has slipped.  

I do not think they will win the division, but I think this team will be better than it was last year if key players stay healthy.
 
RESPONSE: That remains to be seen.

As for Sayers/Urlacher thing. Why does Sayers have the right to attack Urlacher and Urlacher not have the right to respond?

RESPONSE: Sayers didn't "attack" Urlacher. He simply stated that Urlacher was coming off a serious injury, and, at his age, he won't be the same player he once was. How is that a personal attack? 

If I publicly announced, in your hometown, you were fondling children in your spare time, wouldn't you and shouldn't you respond publicly, or should you just "shut your mouth" and go on not fondling children?

RESPONSE: Your last paragraph is so off course and ridiculous, that it is not worth commenting on. I now understand why you think so highly of Underdog(gg).

Posted by MaritimePatsFan

He's attacked me as well.  Not sure why.   He tries to play contrarian to play it, I think.
Posted by russgriswold

Wow TP - your face is getting red.  I've answered your questions not once but twice.  I've asked for your answers to your questions at least 3 times and received nothing in return.  What gives? Clearly you are on a fishing expedition and not having much luck.  Why not just tell everyone WHAT YOU THINK.  Isn't that really what you want to do?   Just tell us your thoughts.  We are all waiting.
Posted by underdoggg

TP - your silence is deafening.  You didn't want to discuss, only interrogate.  I am sorry that your agenda did not play out as you wished.  I was pretty certain that that was what was going on when you resorted to name calling, but now I know since you don't have the decency to respond when you have just been on the board. 
Posted by underdoggg

In Response to Re: Sayers Hits Mark With Cutler/Bears Criticism :      
Posted by TexasPat3

In Response to Re: Sayers Hits Mark With Cutler/Bears Criticism : TexasPat: 1) My obsession with defending Ind:  HUH??? I wrote one reply to your post and thats an obsession??  I am not the one, like you, starting a new thread on Indy every other day.  Also, I noticed how you didnt answer my question.  Didnt your mother ever tell you not to answer a question with a question?
 
RESPONSE: Starting a new thread on Indy every day?? Are you and the Dog(gg) long lost cousins...LOL!! Furthermore, unlike you, I no longer live with my mother.   

2) GM was contridicted by two of the OL: Are you serious? what did you expect them to say?  it was there fault??  If you watched the game you can draw your on conclusions who was at fault.  If you believe manning fine, but the GM and plenty of other people obviously disagree with you.
 
RESPONSE: No one agrees with Polian, other than Peyton worshippers and Indy koolaid drinkers, such as Underdog(gg), and yourself.

3) So its ok to blame the Pats O-line because it was "obvious" but if its not "obvious" to you its a big deal and throwing them under the bus.  Interesting slant there.
 
RESPONSE: Interesting sentence, there. What the hell are you talking about??

4) Will agree that the pass rush from the giants was worse then what Manning faced vs the Saints, but he was certainly rushed more then you would expect if the OL was doing its job.

RESPONSE: Did you see the game?? When was Manning pressured?

Also, the OL needs to RUN block and they didnt do a good job of that all day (ok can't wait to see how you twirl that into being Mannings fault).  If team can run the ball effectively it eases up the pass rush.
 
RESPONSE: Again, did you see the game? Joseph Addai ran wild. The Colts might have won had they kept giving Addai the ball.

5)  I said if you have sustained pressure on a QB, no matter the QB, they will be less effective.  Somehow you twisted that into Manning being under more pressure then Brady.  It was a general observation, but again you read it the way you wanted too.

RESPONSE: Cut the BS. You were clearly implying that the alleged pressure that Manning was under caused the pick-6, that cost Indy the game.
Posted by Patsman2

patsman - haven't you learned never to question TP's assumptions. where he is concerned, even if they are assumptions about what YOU said, what YOU think means nothing.
Posted by underdoggg

In Response to Re: Sayers Hits Mark With Cutler/Bears Criticism :      Dog(gg):      Me thinks that thou protests too much. When a person is asked simple questions, yet responds to each like a politician, you know that they're covering up, or not being truthful.      Nice try, Dog(gg)...but no sale.
Posted by TexasPat3

Tex how can getting your starting MLB back on the field not make your defense better? He is the starter on that team for a reason, because he is their best player at that position. That would be the exact same as saying when Brady came back in 2009 from injury that the Patriots didn't get any better from the year before.
 
RESPONSE: This is what you originally stated:

     "Bears will be better this year than last. D will be better with Urlacher back and Peppers should help out. Run game will be better with some moves they made at the TE position which will allow Olsen to be used more as a receiver. Cutler will look better in Martz scheme. Having said all that I don't think SB is in the near future."

     I disagree with you that the Bears will be better this year than last. Why? Because the three other teams in their division have improved as well, primarily through the draft. Because of some foolish trades, the Bears didn't have a 1st or 2nd rounder.

     While their defense may be better on paper with Urlacher and the addition of Peppers, I don't see it being appreciably better. I don't see Urlacher returning to his pre-injury, pre-thirties form. As for Peppers, he's a good player...but he's no Reggie White.  

Again, I never said the Bears were winning their division and not once did I say the other teams in their division took a step backwards.
 
RESPONSE: I never accused you of saying those things. The Vikings, Lions, and Packers all improved through the draft...where the Bears did not.

Conntrary to what you may think, it is possible in the NFLfor a team to get better from year to year and have other teams in the division not do any worseand even get better as well. If you told me the Lions were going to win 10 games this season, that doesn't mean the Bears are a worse team to me. What remaains to be seen? If key players stay heallthy or if the if the Bears are a better team?
 
RESPONSE: Again, I don't believe that the Bears' defense will be appreciably better. Furthermore, I have no confidence in Jay Cutler. Cutler is the most overrated player in the game.

I said you fondled children. This was a controlled experiment to see if you react the same way Urlachher reacted to Sayers' comments.

RESPONSE: Again, Sayers made no personal attack against Urlacher. He stated his opinion as a fan...as we all do. 

You said Urlacher should stop whining and play to win. Then you respond to fondling children by saying it is ridiculous.
 
RESPONSE: It was a ridiculous analogy.

Then you try to insult me by compaaring me to the Dogggand wwe all know how you feel about him.
 
I didn't compare you to the Dog(gg). What I implied was that since you were making such an off-base analogy, I can see why you enjoy Dog(gg)'s contributions. But, if it came across that I did compare you with him, my deepest apologies to you, sir. To compare other posters to him is indeed an insult...LOL!!!

     Actually, I have no personal animousity against the Dog(gg). Between us girls, I actually kind of like the guy. I just enjoy busting his chops every now and then...LOL!!!   

You say one thing, you do another. You gget all fired up when someoneone doesn't agree with your opinion

RESPONSE: So you say.

You have convinced yourself that your opinion is fact. It seems to me that there are four posters on this thread alone who have singled you out, maybe we are not the problem, maybbe it is a common link.

RESPONSE: Excuse me if I disagree with you. As for the four posters that I allegedly have singled out, two are Indy trolls, while Russ is a person who constantly engages in personal attacks. If you see my disagreements with you as that as a personal attack, perhaps its' you who have the problem, sir.

Posted by MaritimePatsFan

In Response to Re: Sayers Hits Mark With Cutler/Bears Criticism : i protest too much? lol. wake up interrogator. next time if you just do as i asked and answer your own questions first (or even at all - still waiting), then maybe you will be better able to lead me to the answers you want me to give.
Posted by underdoggg

tp - i'd tell you that you have been exposed, but everyone on this board for any length of time already knows that the only opinion you value is your own. maybe i should laud you for your unwavering self-love. there's got to be something redeeming about it, but then there is that common phrase "to a fault" that so aptly applies.
Posted by underdoggg

In Response to Re: Sayers Hits Mark With Cutler/Bears Criticism :
Posted by TexasPat3

You don't see Urlacher returning to his pre injury form? His pre-wrist injury form?
 
RESPONSE: A wrist injury is a serious football injury. As a LB, you're constantly warding off blockers...shucking them away, using your arms, and your wrists. Furthermore, the guy is now 32 years old. 

The Bears improved through FA where the Vikings, Packers, Lions did not.
 
RESPONSE: Untrue. The Lions picked up  free agent WR Nate Burleson, and DE Kyle VandenBoch. In addition, they traded for DT Corey Williams, TE Tony Scheffler, CB Chris Houston, and OG Rob Simms...Minnesota signed CB Lito Sheppard;

Sayers did make a personal attack towards Urlacher and Cutler, not just as a fan like you or me, but as an ex player trying to crawl back into the limelight.
 
RESPONSE: So you say. Dick Butkus has been joined by Mike Hampton and Mike Ditka in backing Sayers, and condemning the childish response of Urlacher: 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/05/21/mike-ditka-dan-hampton-pile-on-brian-urlacher/

It was not a ridiculous analogy. You did compare me to the Dogg. You implied my "off base" analogy was similar to something the Dogg would post. Even though you were trying to insult me, I do not find comparing me to the Dogg as such. So say us all. Two are not Indy trolls. One is an Indy fan and the other is a true Pats fan who has simply disagreed with you and thus you try and label him as such, because your opinion is considered by you as fact.
 
RESPONSE: So you say.

As for Russ, I agree he can be animated at times. I have had disagreements with him before on certain things but he has always had respect. Therefore I respect his opinions, which are normally well thought out and intelligent, but sometimes on the other side of the fence as mine. As for me. I do not feel like you have "attacked" me, nor have I said this.

RESPONSE: Then fine...lets' just agree to disagree, and move on. I believe that Jay Cutler is vastly overrated, and that the players obtained by the Vikings, Lions, and Packers in the draft outweigh the gains made by the Bears through free agency.

Posted by MaritimePatsFan

In Response to Re: Sayers Hits Mark With Cutler/Bears Criticism :      So now you're speaking for everyone here, Congressman?? LOL!!! You are the one who has been exposed, time after time, for the troll that you are.
Posted by TexasPat3

In Response to Re: Sayers Hits Mark With Cutler/Bears Criticism : TexasPat reminds me of that kid on the corner that use to always say, im rubber and your glue whatever you say bounces of me and sticks on you!!!!

RESPONSE: That about sums up your mentality, pal...LOL!! 

Everytime you ask him a question, rather then answer it, he bounces it back in the form of a question of his own.  Maybe its a texas thing.

RESPONSE: Oh...you have a question for me?? By all means, enlighten us with your wisdom.  People from Indiana should hardly be casting stones at anyone from other locales.

Posted by Patsman2

Two of the worst moves of the last 5 years: 1.  Angelo trading all that for Cutler. 2.  The Jets trading up for Mark Sanchez. Both will be paid millions, take up cap space and never lead their teams to a SB. Just awful decision making. 
Posted by russgriswold

In Response to Re: Sayers Hits Mark With Cutler/Bears Criticism :
Posted by TexasPat3

A wrist injury is not a serious injury. A back, kneck, or head injury is a serious injury. They are possible career ending injuries. A wrist injury is somewheres between knee/foot injury and bruised pinky.
 
RESPONSE: Whatever you say...LOL!!  

Burleson is overrated.
 
RESPONSE: Burleson is no pro-bowler, but he's better than anything that the Bears have at WR.

Corey Williams, Chris Houston and Rob Simms? Who are they?
 
RESPONSE: Football players...who will make the Lion's roster. Simms should start at guard.

Scheffler will provide competition, but they lost their star LB Ernie Sims to acquire him.
 
RESPONSE: Ernie Sims a star?? Sims never panned out in Detroit. Why do you think that the Eagles were able to get him so cheaply?

Lito Sheppard is a declining nickel corner. Was overrated three years ago and now people know what he really is.
 
RESPONSE: He is better than anything the Bears have at the nickel position.

Oh yea VandenBosch will be 32 this November. 32 is the age you deem too old for the NFL correct.
 
RESPONSE: Thirty-two is old for a player who has been injury prone, like Urlacher. To expect him to be the player he was three years ago is unrealistic. As for VandenBoch, no one is saying that hhe's a star. But, he's been a good, durable player...who will help. Here are his stats:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=2582

Aren't Sayers, Urlacher, Ditka, Hampton, and Butkis all childish for even getting into any of this. The fact that the other three old timers got into something that had nothing to do with them shows their true colors. That is exactly what happened.
 
RESPONSE: Yeah, you're right. They're all  idiots...LOL!!!

It seems to me when you know you are caught dead wrong, you respond with "So you say." As if to take the high road, this pompous arrogance does not bode well for you Tex.
 
RESPONSE: I disagree with you. If that makes me arrogant, so be it. 

I too think certain people think Cutler is better than he really is. The disagreement we have had has never been whether the other teams in the division have improved more or less than the Bears. I simply stated from my first post that the Bears will be better this year than they were last year.
 
RESPONSE: The Bears finished 7-9 last season. I don't see them improving on that in 2010.

Not better than the Lions, Pack or Vikes. Simply, the 2010 Bears will be better than the 2009 Bears. You need to take the blinders off and stop spinning arguements to the arguements you want to have and understand what people are actually saying.

RESPONSE: I don't agree with your statement that the Bears will be better than last year...and I completely disagree with you on the Urlacher issue. What else can I say.

Posted by MaritimePatsFan

lol- a new board rule has been instituted. only people from Indiana are permitted to disagree with TP. SO LET IT BE WRITTEN. SO LET IT BE DONE. ALL HAIL TEXAS PAT. (crickets)
Posted by underdoggg