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    Why are we so good year after year at finding udfa gems (5 this year make the team) and yet we can't draft corners or wr (holding out hope for this year's duo) to save our life? 

    Or stockpile 2nd and 3rd rd picks yet completely squander them? 

    Clearly they're doing something very right and something very wrong. 

    Puzzling to me. That's all

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Why are we so good year after year at finding udfa gems (5 this year make the team) and yet we can't draft corners or wr (holding out hope for this year's duo) to save our life? 

    Or stockpile 2nd and 3rd rd picks yet completely squander them? 

    Clearly they're doing something very right and something very wrong. 

    Puzzling to me. That's all

     

     



    Well said.  I think a lot of us (well at least me) share your confusion.  I don't get it.  

     
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    Starting with McCourty that trend may have faded a bit.  BB seems interested in using both Ryan and Duron Harmon, third rounders, this year. 

     
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    Cause we should just draft d line and lb's. sign db's in FA. Pay the men I guess. 

     

     

    Now you got the easy part done telling me about it.

    Does that handshaped bruise on your back hurt?

     
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    Grass is always greener and all that. I look at a number of the cuts announced today and see an awful lot of first second and third rounders being cut from teams across the NFL - seems to me that it is a very inexact science this scouting business. 

    And WR and DB are two of the toughest positions to project from college systems because they play in space and play different techniques in college than will be used in the NFL. 

     
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    Grass is always greener and all that. I look at a number of the cuts announced today and see an awful lot of first second and third rounders being cut from teams across the NFL - seems to me that it is a very inexact science this scouting business. 

    And WR and DB are two of the toughest positions to project from college systems because they play in space and play different techniques in college than will be used in the NFL. 



    Yep and the best part is seeing that list filled with players that the BB complainers wished he had picked. 

     
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    Grass is always greener and all that. I look at a number of the cuts announced today and see an awful lot of first second and third rounders being cut from teams across the NFL - seems to me that it is a very inexact science this scouting business. 

    And WR and DB are two of the toughest positions to project from college systems because they play in space and play different techniques in college than will be used in the NFL. 

     



    Yep and the best part is seeing that list filled with players that the BB complainers wished he had picked. 

     




    YA. it's also littered with the players that BB did pick.  UGH

     
  8. You have chosen to ignore posts from pats-fan-2007. Show pats-fan-2007's posts

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    It's a matter of expectations. We bring in a dozen UDFA's, and 1 or 2 usually make it. And we're happy.

     

    But if we bring in a dozen 2nd rounders, and only 4 or 5 make it, we're not happy.

     
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    It's a matter of expectations. We bring in a dozen UDFA's, and 1 or 2 usually make it. And we're happy.

     

    But if we bring in a dozen 2nd rounders, and only 4 or 5 make it, we're not happy.



    There is some truth in this.  It is a matter of numbers/percentages and also our perception. Still, we have not been successful given the ammount of trys at the DB position and we need to wonder why. Perhaps, we have grown used to success and cannot tolerate failure as a normal occurence?

     
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    It's a matter of expectations. We bring in a dozen UDFA's, and 1 or 2 usually make it. And we're happy.

     

    But if we bring in a dozen 2nd rounders, and only 4 or 5 make it, we're not happy.



    With good reason. More 2nd rounders tend to become starters in the league or at least solid players than UDFA as per %. So if only 4 or 5 make it that's not bad but not good either. We expect better for a top of the league team. Most UDFA's will never make it so if you can get 1 or 2 it's like icing on the cake but you generally aren't and shouldn't be expecting starters.

     
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    In response to pats-fan-2007's comment:

     

    It's a matter of expectations. We bring in a dozen UDFA's, and 1 or 2 usually make it. And we're happy.

     

    But if we bring in a dozen 2nd rounders, and only 4 or 5 make it, we're not happy.

     



    There is some truth in this.  It is a matter of numbers/percentages and also our perception. Still, we have not been successful given the ammount of trys at the DB position and we need to wonder why. Perhaps, we have grown used to success and cannot tolerate failure as a normal occurence?

     




    I think alot of posters who moan about the Pat's drafts do so in a vacuum. Everything I've read indicates that they are in the top five over the last decade. This while regularly picking in the 20's and 30's.

     
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    In response to thejuice1's comment:

    Why are we so good year after year at finding udfa gems (5 this year make the team) and yet we can't draft corners or wr (holding out hope for this year's duo) to save our life? 

    Or stockpile 2nd and 3rd rd picks yet completely squander them? 

    Clearly they're doing something very right and something very wrong. 

    Puzzling to me. That's all

     




    bellichick ain't stellar at drafting wr or safeties either

     
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    Doesn't matter how you get there, its what you do when you arrive. I don't care if they cut a few 2nd and 3rd rounders from 3-4 years ago. If the find a bunch of undrafted guys who are better, and the Pats can get more out of them in the system, keep the undrafted gys and play 'em... I have no argument with whoever they decide to make the roster up with, as long as the team is competitive and in the hunt every year. No other team has been able to do that as consistently as the Pats for the past 14 years.

     

     
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    Grass is always greener and all that. I look at a number of the cuts announced today and see an awful lot of first second and third rounders being cut from teams across the NFL - seems to me that it is a very inexact science this scouting business. 

    And WR and DB are two of the toughest positions to project from college systems because they play in space and play different techniques in college than will be used in the NFL. 

     



    Yep and the best part is seeing that list filled with players that the BB complainers wished he had picked. 

     




    Tom Brady covereth a multitude of sins

     
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    In response to thejuice1's comment:

    Why are we so good year after year at finding udfa gems (5 this year make the team) and yet we can't draft corners or wr (holding out hope for this year's duo) to save our life? 

    Or stockpile 2nd and 3rd rd picks yet completely squander them? 

    Clearly they're doing something very right and something very wrong. 

    Puzzling to me. That's all

     

     

     

     

     



    THis years duo look solid now with very good upside. Every team has troubles drafting. Otherwise this team would not dominante the division every year and make it to 2 SBs in the last 5.

    What puzzles you is due to lack of true comparison to success/failure of other teams.

     

    THINK OF IT THIS WAY: If getting it right in the draft was like batting average, or even slugging percentage, in baseball then you would realize more readily that BB drafts pretty well though not well enough to lead the league. Just to be solid and playoff caliber. But because you and others do not QUANTIFY the rest of the league and each team in the league it FEELS like BB does not do a good job. The truth is he does a solid and very competative job but not a great, league leading type job.

     

     
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    Grass is always greener and all that. I look at a number of the cuts announced today and see an awful lot of first second and third rounders being cut from teams across the NFL - seems to me that it is a very inexact science this scouting business. 

    And WR and DB are two of the toughest positions to project from college systems because they play in space and play different techniques in college than will be used in the NFL. 

     

     



    Yep and the best part is seeing that list filled with players that the BB complainers wished he had picked. 

     

     

     




     

    Tom Brady covereth a multitude of sins



    He does. But if the Pats were as bad (or average) as some here think, then why is it that some other teams with really good QBs dont have the incredibly consistent record EVERY year like the Pats? WHat happened to NO last year? Bad D? Yes. Guess team makes a difference. ANd the Giants? How do they end up so mediocre so often? Team.

    And how does one explain 2008? Team.

    Like it or not the Pats have one of the better TEAMS. O line is one of the best. That is 5 starters plus true quality depth on the bench. THAT makes an offense have a chance to run AND pass. THey have great TEs. Gronk is clearly all world. Sudfeld has much better hands than AH who was clearly exceptional as a threat and matchup. They have a GROUP of very good RBs. Especially Ridley and Vereen. They have a group of WRs. Deepest since early days of BB and TB duo. ANd likely deeper. Deeper than 2007.

    That is a COMPLETE O. And many of these players were draft picks.

    Without going into detail D is clearly getting better and more dynamic and is much closer to a top 6 D. We will see if it gets that far this year. 

    No. It is not just about TB or any one QB. Though of course in this league a great QB does cover a lot of mistakes.

     
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    Grass is always greener and all that. I look at a number of the cuts announced today and see an awful lot of first second and third rounders being cut from teams across the NFL - seems to me that it is a very inexact science this scouting business. 

    And WR and DB are two of the toughest positions to project from college systems because they play in space and play different techniques in college than will be used in the NFL. 

     

     

     



    Yep and the best part is seeing that list filled with players that the BB complainers wished he had picked. 

     

     

     

     

     




     

     

    Tom Brady covereth a multitude of sins

     



    He does. But if the Pats were as bad (or average) as some here think, then why is it that some other teams with really good QBs dont have the incredibly consistent record EVERY year like the Pats? WHat happened to NO last year? Bad D? Yes. Guess team makes a difference. ANd the Giants? How do they end up so mediocre so often? Team.

     

    And how does one explain 2008? Team.

    Like it or not the Pats have one of the better TEAMS. O line is one of the best. That is 5 starters plus true quality depth on the bench. THAT makes an offense have a chance to run AND pass. THey have great TEs. Gronk is clearly all world. Sudfeld has much better hands than AH who was clearly exceptional as a threat and matchup. They have a GROUP of very good RBs. Especially Ridley and Vereen. They have a group of WRs. Deepest since early days of BB and TB duo. ANd likely deeper. Deeper than 2007.

    That is a COMPLETE O. And many of these players were draft picks.

    Without going into detail D is clearly getting better and more dynamic and is much closer to a top 6 D. We will see if it gets that far this year. 

    No. It is not just about TB or any one QB. Though of course in this league a great QB does cover a lot of mistakes.




    Port: oh I never said it was all Brady or that the Pats weren't a quality team-they are and have been for a long time and there is certainly depth and talent at some positions

    my point was - and I think u and many here would agree - is that having one of the all-timers back there who is also very smart is a luxury that makes draft/FA misses more tolerable to a fan base and not as devastating to the team

    it's the same luxury u get with rogers, Peyton, Brees

     
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