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And it isn't as if his 'problems' are in the past - he was suspended for 4 games this season! So the issues are current.

No question when he was on the field the Pats had a more aggressive and effective defense and I would love to see him back at a team friendly number. But if he is looking for long term and or big money I would rather see them persue one of the other CBs in FA.

 

Ar what level do you consider the deal to be team friendly, when CB  getting 7 + millions a year in the last couple of years, and this year's crop asking 8 to 10 millions a year? The numbers are getting ridiculous and very pricey.

 

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Again, their agents are throwing those numbers around, but I don't think most of the FAs out there this year will get 8M/yr. I don't have a problem with a 4 yr/32M contract with 12-14M guaranted in the first two years and most of the rest back loaded and not guaranteed. For Talib specifically - no way I want to guaranteed him more than 6M without lots of strings attached based on performance. He is one screw-up from spending a season or most of one suspended. And after being injured twice for the Pats, his health is not a given either.

In response to mia76's comment:

How much can the Pats possibly front load given the current cap situation?

After 2014, Brady is technically off the books. Even if he resigns, it probably won't be for 20 million, so that will free up a ton of space. 2015 and beyond are probably the years the Pats want the biggest caps to occur.

Agents aren't dumb and know if most of the money isn't guaranteed at the end of the deal, the player is likely going to get dumped by then. You'd have to front load a ton of money the first two years if you're not going to guarantee that last two.

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And it isn't as if his 'problems' are in the past - he was suspended for 4 games this season! So the issues are current.

No question when he was on the field the Pats had a more aggressive and effective defense and I would love to see him back at a team friendly number. But if he is looking for long term and or big money I would rather see them persue one of the other CBs in FA.

 

Ar what level do you consider the deal to be team friendly, when CB  getting 7 + millions a year in the last couple of years, and this year's crop asking 8 to 10 millions a year? The numbers are getting ridiculous and very pricey.

 

 

Again, their agents are throwing those numbers around, but I don't think most of the FAs out there this year will get 8M/yr. I don't have a problem with a 4 yr/32M contract with 12-14M guaranted in the first two years and most of the rest back loaded and not guaranteed. For Talib specifically - no way I want to guaranteed him more than 6M without lots of strings attached based on performance. He is one screw-up from spending a season or most of one suspended. And after being injured twice for the Pats, his health is not a given either.

 

 

How much can the Pats possibly front load given the current cap situation?

 

After 2014, Brady is technically off the books. Even if he resigns, it probably won't be for 20 million, so that will free up a ton of space. 2015 and beyond are probably the years the Pats want the biggest caps to occur.

Agents aren't dumb and know if most of the money isn't guaranteed at the end of the deal, the player is likely going to get dumped by then. You'd have to front load a ton of money the first two years if you're not going to guarantee that last two.

 

The guaranteed money is the main thing on any contract (and the years of course.) But it is easy enough to manage - 8M signing bonus, 3M,4M,6M,8M salaries with the first two years guaranteed is  15 guaranteed and 29M - throw in workout,roster, and perfomrance bonuses and you are at 32M, 5M cap number year one, 6M second year, 15M guaranteed over the first two years. Dead money if cut after year two is 4M. And the player has 11M in his pocket after one year, so he is pretty happy up front.

But with a player with a bad rep, no way you put out that much in bonus, so you build more into insentives in the contract.

In response to NoMorePensionLooting's comment:

i like yoru middle sentence/ idea.

he is not a lock down corner there are only a couple in league; nut he is a #1 corner.

 

In response to mia76's comment:

and yes 

"The guaranteed money is the main thing on any contract"

what ive been saying

In response to mia76's comment:

ped issue was current, the issues others were refereign to adn i was replying to ha stopped.

Chiefs no longer interested in Sean Smith Posted by Mike Florio on March 9, 2013, 9:40 AM EST

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With the league’s heavy-handed, contradictory memo scaring teams silent overnight, there’s still no barrier on making it known that a team isn’t interested in a given player.

The Chiefs, after signing cornerback Dunta Robinson, no longer have interest in Dolphins cornerback Sean Smith, per a league source.

Robinson is believed to be getting starter money from the Chiefs.  With Brandon Flower doing the same, paying Smith top-of-market money no longer makes sense.

Kansas City’s interest in Smith was one of the few nuggets of information that emerged after the legal non-tampering tampering period opened at midnight.

If, of course, Smith overplays his hand and doesn’t do a deal before the market softens, the Chiefs potentially could become interested again — at a lower rate.

In response to kansaspatriot's comment:

Don't sell him short, KP, he's becoming a pretty good corner. If Jason McCourty gets that much, why not?

Is that the same agent that was asking 8-10M per year for Hartline? Agents throw a lot of number out there and then sign for what they can get. With the number of decent to good CBs out there, I and the flat cap I don't see any CB getting 10M this year and only maybe one getting 8M.

Or ... Sure, I'll sign this 5/50M contract - year one and two 4M each, year three 12M, year 4 and 5 15M each - first two years fully guarnteed and see yah!

Sort of like Nnamdi - his last years sure look good at 15,12,12 for a total of 39M but he is never going to see them.

      Jeff Howe ‏@jeffphowe

The Patriots have shown interest in cornerback Sean Smith, but I've been told "no one is a favorite yet."

In response to Rocky's comment:

Like the sound of that report.

Hey if you ask for it some dumb GM just might pay it so why not ask for the moon

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Hey if you ask for it some dumb GM just might pay it so why not ask for the moon

 

Doubt he'll get that much, but I wouldn't mind the Pats paying market value.