Okay, so Seau and BB have a great relationship, but the dude is 40 years old. I realize he is here for helping against the run - but if you've watched him in the past 3 years or so - he is slower than molasses. He may help with leadership, but I think he will be beat on the field.
We need some personnel who can put pressure on opposing QBs.
Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
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Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 8:03 AM EDT
- BubbaInHawaii
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Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 8:12 AM EDT
- lsulifer86
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couldn't agreee with you more... just when I thought we had youth (finally) in the D, we went out and got.. sigh..
Seau should have been hired as an assitant coach or co-ordinator.. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 8:19 AM EDT
- patriot54too
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Junior will contribute period. We will be glad to have him as we see he is much better than either one of the above posters think. He isn't a 4 down LB anymore, but that's not what the Patriots need him for either. He will be a sub in the regular defense and a contributor in the sub defensive packages.
Welcome Junior! -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 8:33 AM EDT
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I thought he played great last year, tons of energy, always around the ball...What did I miss? -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 9:19 AM EDT
- BubbaInHawaii
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In Response to Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need:I thought he played great last year, tons of energy, always around the ball...What did I miss?
Posted by zackie
Well, If I were an opposing QB and saw Seau on the field - I'd throw his way. Seau was left in the dust on pass plays last year. In addition, he was left holding his jock strap on quick jukes.
This is a step backwards, not forwards. Yes, he's a good sub if we have noone left. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 9:24 AM EDT
- BubbaInHawaii
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In Response to Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need:Junior will contribute period. We will be glad to have him as we see he is much better than either one of the above posters think. He isn't a 4 down LB anymore, but that's not what the Patriots need him for either. He will be a sub in the regular defense and a contributor in the sub defensive packages. Welcome Junior!
Posted by patriot54too
How is he better than what I expect? He is here to help stop the run on occasional plays - I wasn't expecting more than that. Wait until you see him on the field again, you'll see how bad he is when he is in pursuit - won't even be close.
If he was better than that - he'd be in a regular rotation. In addition, he didn't play all that much last year - there is still plenty of games to play this year.
I like Seau - I just think we have moved on to better pastures w/ a youth movement. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 9:54 AM EDT
- patsgirl6
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I think he'll bring some great leadership that is lacking since most of our vets have been traded.
Give him time before we rip him apart guys!
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Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 10:02 AM EDT
- user_439198
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I think he is needed. we play 4-3 with rush ends and 2 tackles.No disguise of any kind .Even in a vannilla 3-4 we can swap the rush OLB a few times forcing the OL and QB to make a protection call.Right now we are play as vanilla we can get and making the opposing ol and qb life easier.
Seau will let us play more 3-4 as one of the reason we play 4-3 is we do not have 2 ILB. Guyton is a 4-3 OLB and he can even rush the passer as 3-4 end with his quickness as he bigger than mathais and dumerville.
if we continue to play 4-3 we need a speed demon end i am not sure where you will find one now in mid season
In 3-4 instead of AD trying to the play behind LOS in the center will rush. AD is a good pass rusher and using him predominately as a coverage guy is useless.
With seau in we line up AD on the strong side and then have woods on the other side and have woods and guyton swap rushing .so the OL will have to decide presnap if 4 or 5 rushers are coming and if woods and guyton are the one of the 2 or both and who is stunting. So OL every tackle and gaurd need to slide around depending on who is coming.
How much you want to bet we will have a few sacks,tackles for loss with the confusion this will cause.Some setup we drop both AD and Woods forcing the QB to change snap reads leading to a interception.
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Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 10:14 AM EDT
- m1020us
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Seau is added depth and needed leadership....he is still a good productive player. Not sure what games the original poster was watching....I think that he is gettting Hobbs and Seau confused.
The original poster is actually correct about 1 thing, right now we don't NEED Seau.....Defense is not the problem. The Offense needs to get back to 2007 levels, they need a kick in the pants to get going.
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Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 11:04 AM EDT
- BubbaInHawaii
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In Response to Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need:Seau is added depth and needed leadership....he is still a good productive player. Not sure what games the original poster was watching....I think that he is gettting Hobbs and Seau confused. The original poster is actually correct about 1 thing, right now we don't NEED Seau.....Defense is not the problem. The Offense needs to get back to 2007 levels, they need a kick in the pants to get going. The Defense is fine.
Posted by m1020us
LOL....no confusion between the two. I would agree that the offense needs to get their act together. I think we can improve in all phases of the game - including coaching (defensive and offensive play calling). -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 1:16 PM EDT
- Paul_K
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Seau's weakness is that he's a World War I veteran and he can't take a whole season of bumps and bruises. His strength is that he's a huge and vastly experienced run-stopper who knows the Patriots' complex system. So, he'll take the field some of the time and he will improve the D, for the time that he's healthy.
Last year he lasted through week 17 and was all set for the playoffs, except last year an 11-5 record wasn't good enough (for the first time in NFL history). So, he might last that long this year too. As far as the Patriots' chances of making the playoffs, well, they are finally going to play a team that wasn't undefeated at the time. They were in one loss until the last minute and in the other loss until the overtime coin flip. Tough team, tough schedule. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 1:24 PM EDT
- wtfmaroney
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he just needs to teach every one to try and catch the ball... u ever notice that???? or LBs rarley ever force a turnover thank god for mayo!!!! if he could just learn to jump for the ball hed be the complete package... thats all seau has to do, i dont expect him to get grewat stops but he shudave came back as a coordinator not a LB -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 2:35 PM EDT
- Grogan77
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I hope Seau contributes bigtime to the Pats. But I'm also in the camp of this is not what the Patriots needed. The money and roster spot could have been spend on a FA WR for a tryout. Something the Patriots really need at the #3 spot. The defense was playing well enough to win, but the offense was just keeping them on the field way too long. Leadership, character, gimme a break! The Pats need more youth and speed. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 2:40 PM EDT
- TheFantasyBaron
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Seau was brought in because there's not much depth at the position. What happens if Guyton goes down? -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 3:50 PM EDT
- BubbaInHawaii
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In Response to Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need:Seau was brought in because there's not much depth at the position. What happens if Guyton goes down?
Posted by TheFantasyBaron
Good point re: depth at ILB. When Mayo went down, I thought Adalius was going to move to the Mike alongside Guyton for the 3-4, but I don't recall seeing that happen. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 3:55 PM EDT
- raptor64d
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As stated by others I like the fact he is here for back-up. If Guyton goes down he is an experienced player and still looks like he is in great shape.
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Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 4:07 PM EDT
- unclealfie
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In Response to Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need:Okay, so Seau and BB have a great relationship, but the dude is 40 years old. I realize he is here for helping against the run - but if you've watched him in the past 3 years or so - he is slower than molasses. He may help with leadership, but I think he will be beat on the field. We need some personnel who can put pressure on opposing QBs.
Posted by BubbaInHawaii
Quick, call the Patriots and give them the benefit of your keen football knowledge; maybe its not too late to call off the deal! -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 4:34 PM EDT
- Grogan77
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In Response to Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need:Seau was brought in because there's not much depth at the position. What happens if Guyton goes down?
Posted by TheFantasyBaron
should have been addressed in the offseason. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 4:59 PM EDT
- ewhite1065
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In Response to Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need:Okay, so Seau and BB have a great relationship, but the dude is 40 years old. I realize he is here for helping against the run - but if you've watched him in the past 3 years or so - he is slower than molasses. He may help with leadership, but I think he will be beat on the field. We need some personnel who can put pressure on opposing QBs.
Posted by BubbaInHawaii
They signed Junior Seau and released Terdell Sands. Who is better? They didn't sign Seau because they thought he was going to be Ray Lewis. They signed him because he is an automatic upgrade on and off the field. We aren't going to be able to address the need that you want through free agency or a trade at this point. I hear what you are saying because I too am frustrated with our defense but with all honesty we pretty much just have to hope what we have gets better by the end of the year. The Patriots have had a track record of improving through the season so it's not as bleak as it sounds but Seau........Definitely isn't going to hurt us. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 5:34 PM EDT
- mtbr1975
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So are all you all saying you know better than BB what the Pats need? Perhaps all the armchair coaches here should head down to Gillette and fill him in on what he's doing wrong... -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 5:51 PM EDT
- Scott1971
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Seau can obviously bring it as he has proven in the past, and he is not slow. He will also be invaluable teaching Mayo and Guyton the ropes in the process. Your lack of insight is disturbing. I think we would all appreciate it if you would put more thought in first before posting in the future.
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Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 6:51 PM EDT
- rugger02
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This move is less about Seau and more about the players currently on the field. This will now allow Guyton to move outside where he is better suited. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 9:43 PM EDT
- BubbaInHawaii
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In Response to Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need:Seau can obviously bring it as he has proven in the past, and he is not slow. He will also be invaluable teaching Mayo and Guyton the ropes in the process. Your lack of insight is disturbing. I think we would all appreciate it if you would put more thought in first before posting in the future.
Posted by Scott1971
trust me...he is slow. I think I can run faster than him...lol. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/16/2009 9:44 PM EDT
- BubbaInHawaii
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In Response to Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need:Seau can obviously bring it as he has proven in the past, and he is not slow. He will also be invaluable teaching Mayo and Guyton the ropes in the process. Your lack of insight is disturbing. I think we would all appreciate it if you would put more thought in first before posting in the future.
Posted by Scott1971
coming from a person who has 1 post...lol...ok. -
Re: Seau Isn't What The Patriots Need
posted at 10/17/2009 1:28 AM EDT
- PuntonFirstDown
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I liked Sands in his short stint. Why JR? He was good in 07 but how will he be now??
Let time be the judge.