Sebastian Vollmer

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    Re: Sebastian Vollmer

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    sorry to be rude but i fear my question will get lost in the sniper war fare if i dont drop it again...does SB contract translate into 3mill grtnd for this year not inlcuding bonus/incentives?

    or am i reading it wrong? do we know yeat? thanks guys.

     




    Not sure. I don't think the cap hit is known yet. That is my main concern, too.

     

     



    Thanks! getting anxious!!!!

     

     




    I wouldn't worry about the hits too much.  Every keeper BB has had so far whether it be Talib (5 million), Vollmer or even Arrington, are solid deals which are team friendly.

     

    I don't BB would have done any of them if they weren't, mainly because he had the leverage in various ways, for each player.

    But, I am curious how it lays out.

    Might know more tommorow.

     



    Great moves by BB keeping that stellar bottom ranked pass D together.  Look at it this way.  It is very unlikely that they will be worse than 2012. 

     

     



    Yes, future HOFer Adrian Wilson and then very good McCOurty should be awful with the 2nd best nickel CB last year back (Arrington) along with the impressive Dennard at RCB. Just not looking good.  Also, with a deep and cheap CB market, just a terrible spot for the Pats especially with a loaded front 7 and improved pass rush.

     

    The Jets elite pass D that actually sucked won't even be in tact next year.  LOL!

    Who are your Safeties? Do you know? LOL!!

    Is Kenrick Ellis ready to go or do they need to baby him with Garay with Pouha gone?  Tears!

    "Pouha>Wilfork" - VIrgin Phatty (2012)

    Who is the nickel with Kylie moving to outside CB permanently as a 1st rd bust and overpaid?

    LOL!!

    Cannot be made up.

     



    Bwa ha ahahhahahahaha.. yes, all those great players adding up to a horrible pass D!  LOL.  While Kyle Wilson started for a top 5 pass D.  You can't make this up.  You just cant!  You are such a complete idiot.

     

     

     




    Yes, Kyle Wilson, as awful as he was for the Jets on the outside after Revis went down, is why the Jets allowed low passing yards.

     

    Tell us, how many points did the Jets D allow in 2012?

    LOL!

    Title of thread by end of October: "Wilson is a Joke at CB"

    http://forums.theganggreen.com/showthread.php?t=75216

    Yet, you're on here bragging about him on a rebuilding Jets club? The guy should be at least good at this point, but he's a dancing joke and can barely play a decent nickel. In short, he's a bust!

     

     

     



    Fewer passing TDs than the patsies.  We are talking pass D, right?  Or are you now trying to change the discussion AGAIN.  You seem to do that when you get bludgeoned.  Kyle Wilson was a top 10 CB using oposing QB rating.  Moron.

     

     




    Umm, pass Ds are listed as based on YARDS, not TDs. Nice try.

     

    Pats>Jets

    Enjoy replacing your entire D. Brady and the Pats will look forward to shredding it TWICE for 50 points+ in 2013.

    Rex and that embarrassing joke of a D will be gone soon enough.

     

    Umm, pass Ds are listed as based on YARDS, not TDs. Nice try.

    Can I reuse this a few times?

     

     
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    Re: Sebastian Vollmer

    Read this quote on Seabass on an espn forum in regards to the language in his contract and hoping he maxes out his deal meaning he plays everygame.. Had a good chuckle..

     

    The back is always going to be an issue. Bad backs don't go away.  
     
    Well, Laurence Maroney went away, but beyond that....

     
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    Re: Sebastian Vollmer

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    Read this quote on Seabass on an espn forum in regards to the language in his contract and hoping he maxes out his deal meaning he plays everygame.. Had a good chuckle..

     

    The back is always going to be an issue. Bad backs don't go away.  
     
    Well, Laurence Maroney went away, but beyond that....



    ROFL

     
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    Re: Sebastian Vollmer

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    Matt is 100% correct. 

     

    Sorry PCM, but Matt is spot on with this analysis (which I also mentioned last week and yesterday)

     

     

     



    That is an opinion.  Not a fact.  First of all we were both wrong about proration of the signing bonus after a guy is cut.  I thought it could still be prorated for the life of the contract and you said it couldn't be prorated at all.  Technically per the artice prolate posted if you cut a guy after June 1st you can spread out his dead money hit over 2 years if you want.

     

    The more important point here is how to view Arrington's contract.  I agree that the cap implications for cutting Arrington before the end of the first 3 seasons are probably not worth it to the team.  However after year 3 he can be cut with only 1.625 million in dead money which would be on the books for 2016.  Up to that point his average cap hit for the first 3 years is only 3.625 million.  I believe after that season if BB thinks Kyle has improved enough to also play on the outside he will keep him at his year 4 cap hit of 5.625 million (which is reasonable for an outside corner).  Otherwise he will ask him to take a paycut or be cut or he will extend him.

    If Kyle is cut after year 3 Matt is correct that he would count for 12.5 million against the cap while playing for only 3 seasons, but it is also a fact that that cap hit is spread out over 4.  This is in fact an important distinction because cap hits that are spread out can be beneficial to a team from a flexibility standpoint.  Consider 2 million in dead money that can either count as 2 million one year or 1 million in 2 consecutive years.  The former represents roughly 1.6% of the cap in that one year (2/123) whereas the latter is only .8% of the total cap dollars for 2 years (2/246) if you assume a flat cap (which is a conservative assumption).  You and Matt's opinion that the best way to talk about cap hits is relative to how long the player played for team is just that.  An opinion.  I am not making a value judgement either way.  I am just pointing out that you and Rusty's disagreement is based mostly on a difference of arithmetic which is based on a difference of opinion not fact.

     
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    Re: Sebastian Vollmer

    This may be off the current topic here a little but does anyone know what Vollmers deal was for? I apologize if its been posted here already. Thanks

    When healthy he's a top 3 right tackle and can be elite on the left if he has to fill in there. The Patriots are in great shape at the tackle position if this guy stays healthy.

     
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    Re: Sebastian Vollmer

    The June 1 rule comes from the CBA.  There is one exception that allows a team to treat up to two players as if they were cut on June 2 even though they were cut before then.  This allows you to move dead money out one season for two players who were cut ahead of June 2.  All other players cut before June 2 have their dead money counted against the cap in the upcoming season.  All cut on or after June 2 have their dead money counted against the cap for the season after the upcoming season.

    Essentially, this rule means that players cut before camp have to have their dead money counted to the cap for the upcoming season, but those cut during camp and the preseason have their dead money delayed until the following season.  

     
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    Re: Sebastian Vollmer

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    The June 1 rule comes from the CBA.  There is one exception that allows a team to treat up to two players as if they were cut on June 2 even though they were cut before then.  This allows you to move dead money out one season for two players who were cut ahead of June 2.  All other players cut before June 2 have their dead money counted against the cap in the upcoming season.  All cut on or after June 2 have their dead money counted against the cap for the season after the upcoming season.

    Essentially, this rule means that players cut before camp have to have their dead money counted to the cap for the upcoming season, but those cut during camp and the preseason have their dead money delayed until the following season.  

     




    thank you. so are we correct to assume for instance that the Pats have not yet cut anyone? they have simply not signed their own FA's?

     

     



    I don't think they've actually cut anyone under contract since the season ended.  Cuts made on or after June 2  last year would have dead money counting against this year's cap though.  If they used the exception for up to two players last spring, they could also have some dead money for up to two other players who were cut before June 2 last year.

     
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    Re: Sebastian Vollmer

    By the way, in season cuts count against the cap for the next season.  

    And Lloyd was cut.  So ther's at least one.

     

     
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