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I told ya. YOu just want to learn. The market is FLOODED, especially with CBs. The question was, how many. Well, we found out. Philly alone cut two quality starters for crying out loud.
Throw in, the fact that both Talib and BB know his best bet is a fit here in this structured environment and it's a smart move, which means BB had a lot of leverage.
I told you this.
You went running in here slapping up numbers for nicelbacks the first day of FA all worried about that affecting Arrington's dollars here, too.
Not everything is so black and white. You have to look at everything.
Arrington got a better deal than Talib for crying out loud...this isnt a case of the market being flooded...numerous CB's got much better deals...
Smith 3/$18
Houston 5/$25
Lewis 5/$26
Williams 3/$17
Robinson 3/$15
McKelvin 4/$20
Toler 3/$15
Why was everyone scared off Talib?
If you recall I posted Yates (not me) said Arrington would get 3/$15 (he got 4/$16). Smith getting 3/$18 was what I thought Talib was worth, him getting 1/$4.8 raises flags for me.
Didnt the "market" say Ras was going to be injury prone, yet the Pats spent a #2? Didnt the "market" say Wilson was a late round draft choice, but the Pats spent a #2? Now the "market" seems to be saying stay away from Talib at any cost.
Sean Smith's deal is actually a 1 year deal if he so chooses to walk away. So, Smith for 6, Talib for 5. I actually feel Talib is more talented with the better skill set than Smith.
Your last paragraph makes absolutely no sense.
As for Arrington, teams need strong nickels and he has earned security here, plus he took a backloaded deal to offset the flat cap in 2013 and 2014. That's what I call loyalty and only 8.25 is guaranteed so it's a fair deal on both sides.
In the end, I told you nor more than 6 per for him once all these other CBs got released due to other teams' cap mismanagement.
No offense, but all the players you are referencing arent as good as Talib. Chris Houston, are you kidding me? Detroit's Marty Mayhew just gave Reggie Bush big time money to be an every down back for his second year in a row, 1 year older. He'll be digned up by Week 8.
I would not reference other team's stupidity and overpaying in a flooded market as a good thing.
BB knew the market, had the leverag and nailed it. You, meanwhile, show yourself to be a maroon on the cap debates here constantly.
Basically, anything you say with regards to predictions in these areas, take the opposite opinion from your horrendous analysis.
By the way, who was the nickelback that you felt would hurt us resigning Arrington and the maket on Talib? I forget who used. I supposed I could go find the thread, but you were wrong a week ago and you're still wrong now.
Just forget it Mr Tufts and Mr Harvard MBA. I've destroyed you in all of this 10 times over. Ask the board.
you dont understand Arringtons deal. He has an AAV of about $4 and change...he is getting $500k less than Talib for ALL 4 YEARS! UNDERSTAND THE CONTRACT LANGUAGE!
You just said all the CB's I listed are worse than Talib, right? So why didnt a single team offer Talib a deal better than 1/$4.8?
BB didnt read a flooded market. BB read that NO ONE WOULD OFFER TALIB A CONTRACT...why would no one offer Talib a contract except BB?
My god are you dumb. Flooded market. As for Arrington, he plays a valuable STs role as well. When you're ranked the best nickel in the NFL in 2012, that's a strong point for Arrington. He's very good in the slot and he's proven that, so that has good value. I am happy we got him back. I am sure some teams would have loved to swipe him away. Baltimore being one. He's from Marlyand and Webb will be moved to outside CB now with their exodus.
I don't get why this is so confusing for you, then again, you try to spin, spin and spin some more because you lost.
BB absolutely knew the market would be flooded which is why he didn't tag Talib. No one was sure if all these CBs would actually be released with the flat cap and franchises getting caught, but they did, because they got caught.
Kraft new what the real new CBA would be the whole time and fed this info to BB. I told you this as it was going in in early/summer 2011 when I told you what the real reason for the lockout. The main reason was cap control over the life of the CBA, which meant it might be a few years before they like what they see before bumping the cap.
I would not be surprised at all if they have assistants, maybe Caserio does it, who study other team's financials from year to year so they can guesstimate who a team might cut or ask to restructure, using that was a way to get leverage in negotiations with Patriots FA players or targeted FAs. Would not be shocked at all. I did it just out of curiosity because when BB dealt Seymour, Vrable, etc, and traded into 2010 and 2011's draft like that so heavily, I knew something was up.
Meanwhile, all the teams that are cutting CBs right now are the ones who wildly spent. NOs didn't care. They had been crappy for 40 years. Good for them, but they'll pay now. Pitt, NYGs, Baltimore are all caught up in having older teams with 2 years left before the cap goes up. They're cooked. They couldn't quite make it. Baltimore barely did. Congrats to them, just like the Saints.
Jets and Skins? The worst examples. Same with the Cowboys. Crappy contracts, overpaying oni the market, wild decision making, etc.
Remember Marty Hurney giving Jake Delhomme that new deal after a 5 INTs game in the 2008 playoffs? Gee, I wonder why Marty Hurney is unemployed? He also got nothing for Peppers in 2009 knowing he was just renting him for a year.
Dude, BB is WAY, WAY above you in all of this. Way above you.
They knew the cap wouldn't move from 2011-2014 seasons. This is not hard. You claim to have an MBA from Harvard, but it's impossible. There is no way on god's green earth you even have an undergrad degree.
The whole reason why I called you out in here about 2-3 years ago and sniffed you out as an ESPN employee, is because your analysis sounds totally canned like an ESPN's anti-BB employee's would.
You lost 2-3 years ago raving about how great Tannenbum was when I called you out on it then and you lose now.
BB actually offered Talib many different contracts, one a 5 year deal. Also, it was reported 3 or 4 other clubs were in on him as well. The Skins were one we know of. Not sure on the others.
So, Talib looked at all his options and his agent wisely suggested to have a great year and see if the market improves. I would have done a 2 year deal myself to bridge it until 2015, but that's another story.
so Arrington is worth $4.2 per year while Talib is worth $4.8? thats what you are saying correct?
the 5 year deal offered Talib was only 1 year guaranteed.
Btw, you are wrong about Smiths contract (I get it, you have no clue on salaries and the cap). He got a $6.7M bonus. If the Chiefs cut him after 1 year, they will have almost $8M in dead money. Highly doubt they cut him. If they cut him after year 2 Smth gets $11M.
So Talib is better than Smith, yet no one wanted to pay Talib. Why?
The Smith deal is similar to Welker's situaiton. Why would you pay a guy the second year if the market doesn't support it? It won't, each GM will realize it and they'll be released.
What are Talib's and Arrington's cap hits in 2013?
Answer that.
lol
This stuff is so far over your head, you just keep walking into walls over and over.
Aron AAV about $4.2M. Talib AAV $4.85. Wow....No one wanted Talib and the Pats over paid for Arrington. Genius.