Re: Show me rookie WRs who are awesome after 10 days please
posted at 9/15/2013 11:41 AM EDT
In response to agcsbill's comment:
In response to zbellino's comment:
Hey Ma6dragon. I don't think anyone here expects the rookies to play out-of-this-world. If they do, they are being unrealistic.
I think the debate is clustered around Brady yelling at Edelman (which everyone takes for Dobson) and their reaction to that.
And then some others voicing anger at the risking way NE assembled their roster this offseason: letting healthy proven players go, and replacing them with injury prone players, then not picking up veterans to take the heat off the younger players.
Every time one of those rookies is out there sweating, you need to blame managment for putting them in this situation.
When Julio Jones came in he was backed by Roddy White and Atlanta went out and even got a HOF vet TE to take the heat off the kid. He was option #3 or #4 in that passing offense. He wasn't thrust into a spot where he is option #1B or C or D around two other rookies, a backup slot, and a utility TE.
NE put all their chips in on Amendola being healthy (he isn't and is likely out 6 weeks out of the gate now) and Gronk being ready in time (he isn't either).
They'll get a bogey for the Hernandez thing. But even accounting for that ... adding Hernandez wouldn't work a miracle.
Z.. when you look at the manners of posts to BDC, seems a lot of folks did do exactly what you said in your first sentence.. they expected the Pats to come out of the gate without skipping a beat from last season, offense wise.
IMHO.. Brady may have reacted like he did because during the pre-season and even in the first game, the players were getting close to being on the same page. In the Jets game it all went to h*ll in a hand basket. We didn't see so many missed routes and dropped passes in the Bills game, did we? Brady must have thought they were further along than they showed Thursday night.
As for Amendola .. well, fingers crossed didn't seem to work and it is good they are not bringing Gronk back too fast. Also, by not bringing in any new WRs to the team may be more of a vote of confidence by BB than anything else. Imagine what the impact to the rookie psyche if the team immediately started looking at new bodies?
Really? The vibe I'm getting is that people are blaming Brady. Though not in this thread. I get some people thought they would be fine and are in shock, but most of those people were really just wishfully thinking, and a couple select posters for whom Brady-bashing is their rasion d'etre built up the selections so they could do what they are doing now ... blame Brady when they played like rookies.
We didn't see so many in the Bills game because Amendola was there. He cought 11 passes, and was targetted 14 times. Those targets shifted to the rookies.
It did get worse, but it's because those kids were hung out to dry.
And sorry, I think it far, far worse for confidence that you put them into a position to fail as opposed to mixing them in. I agree, don't ... rush ... Gronk. After Brady he is the franchise. But NE has a billion linebackers, three that are just playing ST. They don't have one vet on the roster who would have been brought in for this very likely scenario: Amendola goes out, Gronk's not ready.
The final conclusion is that fans have been conditioned over the last five years by this team. They accept less from the defense, and seem to think allowing 24 points is good, and expect more from the offense, scoffing at anything less than 30 regardless of the health of players (as if losing Gronk is irrelevant to the outcomes).
The end result? Everyone is angry at Tom, and very little vitriol is headed toward the rookies. It makes me scratch my head about the thread, because just don't see people saying they are bad.
Outside of the select few people BB-haters that make their life here abouou proving BB is terrible ... no one has said the rookies stink or are busts ... most just accept it even if they excpected more.
I guess the "show me" thread the forum needs is one that says "show me a QB who would do better with this group" (there isn't one) AND show me a vet who IS actually playing terribly when they need him to play well, and that is Ridley, who unlike Brady, has had only downs so far, and no ups when NE dearly needed him to carry the load.
A comment about rookie WR struggles, to me, is irrelevant to what is actually happening on this board.