Show me rookie WRs who are awesome after 10 days please

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    Deandre Hopkins



    Thank you! Rookie this season. Playing for a good team. 2 games 12 catches on 19 targets for 183 yards (that is over 15 yards per catch and nearly 10 yards per target). Oh yeah, and in overtime today he had to great catches one to win the game and the play before to set up the score. 

    Don't forget to mention that he could have been the Patriots if the moved up two spaces rather than down for a bunch of guys who are currently on special teams.

     
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    You also totally ignore the season without Brady which was proof of his greatness as a GM and HC. You discount his work in Cleveland where he brought a lousy franchise to the playoffs in three years and built the foundation for the superbowl winning Ravens team.



    Is the Cleveland stuff a joke? Built the foundation? I just looked it up. There was one starter on the Super Bowl Ravens that was on the Browns team at all when BB was there. There were a lot more Parcells Patriots left than on the third of BB's Super Bowl Winners (Bruschi, Ted Johnson, McGinest, and Law were still starter for the Patriots in '04).

     
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    Good post!

    Don't you just love the way he tries to use BB the GM's draft pick of Brady and actually carrying 4 QB's for a season (which is unheard of) against him?

     

     

     

     

     

     


    Saying somebody was lucky with a pickin the 6th round is using something against him? That doesn't make much sense.

     

     



     You discount his work in Cleveland where he brought a lousy franchise to the playoffs in three years and built the foundation for the superbowl winning Ravens team.

     



    You mean the Browns team which after 4 years  finally had a winning record under BB, only to fall to 5-11 the next year (and then they canned him)? Five years as Browns HC; four losing seasons.

     

    You mean BB built the foundation of the Raven's who had 4 years without a winning season (after BB was booted) before they won that SB? That foundation? LMAO

    Sorry I have to school you so harshly, but the facts are the things making you look silly, not me.

     




    Let's get the story straight about the Brown's and what happened the final year before they moved to Baltimore when Bill Belichick was coaching them. At mid season 1995 Art Modell announced that he was moving the team. He didn't even bother telling his staff including Belichick. He lost the fan base, coaches, and players trust.

    I'm not saying that BB was an excellent coach back then but he had an excellent staff that worked long hours together trying hard to fix the Browns. His staff consisted of, Nick Saban, Mike Lombardi, Eric Mangini, Scott Pioli, Kirk Ferentz, Jim Schwartz, Ozzie Newsome, Phil Savage, Thomas Dimitroff. No one will ever know if they could of completed the task because it would be just speculation. But BB and his staff went through some very difficult times in Cleveland and leant a lot from what happened.

    Sorry for going off topic...

     
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    They'll show up against Tampa, it's @ Falcons I'm thinking they'll be fkd




     




    I think the gist of the concern has been that we can probably squeak by the bad teams with this mickey mouse receiving corps the GM has stuck us with. But the good teams will feast on our bones.

     

    El Stupido GMo should have brought in a vet as an insurance policy. (Moss by my reckoning.)

     

     

     

     



    Like you've said who are we to judge the coach yet there's a lot of you who seem to think you can do a better job at putting a competitive team together year after year.

     

     

     

     

     



    The factssay BB is 1 for 7 in making the playoffs without Brady. That kinda stomps your claims of what a great job he does putting together a team.

     

     

     

    The reality is that if any of the other AFCE teams had Brady all these years and we had some mediocre NFL QB we would not have dominated as we have.

     




    There you go again, referring to a hypothetical argument as being reality.  The reality about hypotheticals is that they are nothing but conjecture.  To suggest that you know what the outcome would have been had TB played on another team and BB had selected a different QB way back in 2001, seems more like fantasy to me.  But hey, that's just my reality. Wink

     

     




    Good post!

    Don't you just love the way he tries to use BB the GM's draft pick of Brady and actually carrying 4 QB's for a season (which is unheard of) against him?



    To give BB significant credit for drafting TB  demonstrates either you are being disingenuous or you lack a fundamental understanding of the draft process. No one who drafts a player with the 199th pick should ever get a whole lot of credit. Also, in 2000, BB wasn't the sole decision maker in the draft like he is presently. In 2000, in addition to BB, Pioli and Bobby Grier were also reponsible for draft decisions. And to give BB credit for keeping a rookie QB with arguably the best throwing form of all time, great intensity and dedication to game film and detail, not to mention being a great teamate, is not brilliant. It is what any good HC would do.  

     
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    Deandre Hopkins



    He suffered a concussion and will likely sit out the next game or longer... does that make him injury prone?

     
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    To give BB significant credit for drafting TB  demonstrates either you are being disingenuous or you lack a fundamental understanding of the draft process. No one who drafts a player with the 199th pick should ever get a whole lot of credit. Also, in 2000, BB wasn't the sole decision maker in the draft like he is presently. In 2000, in addition to BB, Pioli and Bobby Grier were also reponsible for draft decisions. And to give BB credit for keeping a rookie QB with arguably the best throwing form of all time, great intensity and dedication to game film and detail, not to mention being a great teamate, is not brilliant. It is what any good HC would do.  

    This is a crock of sht.

    There is one man with his hands on the steering wheel on draft day, there is group think amongst the management, they've all been hired by the same guy making the pick.  Bill Belichick drafted Tom Brady, he also drafted Richard Seymour, without whom those three championships would not have happened and wasn't a Parcells player.  

    You people are so disingenuous it's scary, do you lie to your children and loved ones the same way? 

     

     
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    You keep saying that if BB didn't have Brady he wouldn't be considered as good as he is.  Well BB picked him and would be really stupid to sit him just to prove to you that he is good with out Brady. That is using the pick of Brady against him. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

    You also totally ignore the season without Brady which was proof of his greatness as a GM and HC. You discount his work in Cleveland where he brought a lousy franchise to the playoffs in three years and built the foundation for the superbowl winning Ravens team.




    the question regarding "dynasties" is a chicken vs. egg kinda thing.  Name a top 5 HOF coach who didn't have a great QB. Name a top 5 HOF QB with 3 SB rings who didn't have a great coach. Since dynasties don't really happen that frequently - maybe it's sheer luck. BB's record w/o Brady doesn't smell of success. In addition, I don't think 2008 - the Patriots even went to playoffs.

     
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    You keep saying that if BB didn't have Brady he wouldn't be considered as good as he is.  Well BB picked him and would be really stupid to sit him just to prove to you that he is good with out Brady. That is using the pick of Brady against him. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

     

     

    You also totally ignore the season without Brady which was proof of his greatness as a GM and HC. You discount his work in Cleveland where he brought a lousy franchise to the playoffs in three years and built the foundation for the superbowl winning Ravens team.

     

     




    the question regarding "dynasties" is a chicken vs. egg kinda thing.  Name a top 5 HOF coach who didn't have a great QB. Name a top 5 HOF QB with 3 SB rings who didn't have a great coach. Since dynasties don't really happen that frequently - maybe it's sheer luck. BB's record w/o Brady doesn't smell of success. In addition, I don't think 2008 - the Patriots even went to playoffs.

     

     

     




    They were a "hollow" 11-5 the year Brady went down, but their schedule was "weak", so we're supposed to ignore that fact.   It's the NFL, no game is easy. 

    Re: the WRs, I see guys who need experience but who clearly have talent.  These guys need time to get up to speed and to develop some chemistry with Brady.  I see guys who need to learn their routes better, who need to know when Brady is gonna get them the ball.  I see guys who are thinking too much and not letting their natural abilities shine through.  Are we to believe that a guy like Dobson forgot how to catch the ball overnight?    

    If these guys were sitting on the bench behind Branch, Stallworth or some other washed up vets we'd be clamoring for BB to play the young guys.  But the young guys need time to acclimate,  it's not going to happen overnight.  I expect a progressively better product, and if these guys can't hack it by mid-season then maybe we can jump all over BB for leaving the cupboard bare for Brady.      

     
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    To give BB significant credit for drafting TB  demonstrates either you are being disingenuous or you lack a fundamental understanding of the draft process. No one who drafts a player with the 199th pick should ever get a whole lot of credit. Also, in 2000, BB wasn't the sole decision maker in the draft like he is presently. In 2000, in addition to BB, Pioli and Bobby Grier were also reponsible for draft decisions. And to give BB credit for keeping a rookie QB with arguably the best throwing form of all time, great intensity and dedication to game film and detail, not to mention being a great teamate, is not brilliant. It is what any good HC would do.  

     

     

    This is a crock of sht.

    There is one man with his hands on the steering wheel on draft day, there is group think amongst the management, they've all been hired by the same guy making the pick.  Bill Belichick drafted Tom Brady, he also drafted Richard Seymour, without whom those three championships would not have happened and wasn't a Parcells player.  

    You people are so disingenuous it's scary, do you lie to your children and loved ones the same way? 

     



    I'm with you

     
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    You keep saying that if BB didn't have Brady he wouldn't be considered as good as he is.  Well BB picked him and would be really stupid to sit him just to prove to you that he is good with out Brady. That is using the pick of Brady against him. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

     

     

    You also totally ignore the season without Brady which was proof of his greatness as a GM and HC. You discount his work in Cleveland where he brought a lousy franchise to the playoffs in three years and built the foundation for the superbowl winning Ravens team.

     

     




    the question regarding "dynasties" is a chicken vs. egg kinda thing.  Name a top 5 HOF coach who didn't have a great QB. Name a top 5 HOF QB with 3 SB rings who didn't have a great coach. Since dynasties don't really happen that frequently - maybe it's sheer luck. BB's record w/o Brady doesn't smell of success. In addition, I don't think 2008 - the Patriots even went to playoffs.

     

     

     




    They were a "hollow" 11-5 the year Brady went down, but their schedule was "weak", so we're supposed to ignore that fact.   It's the NFL, no game is easy. 

    Re: the WRs, I see guys who need experience but who clearly have talent.  These guys need time to get up to speed and to develop some chemistry with Brady.  I see guys who need to learn their routes better, who need to know when Brady is gonna get them the ball.  I see guys who are thinking too much and not letting their natural abilities shine through.  Are we to believe that a guy like Dobson forgot how to catch the ball overnight?    

    If these guys were sitting on the bench behind Branch, Stallworth or some other washed up vets we'd be clamoring for BB to play the young guys.  But the young guys need time to acclimate,  it's not going to happen overnight.  I expect a progressively better product, and if these guys can't hack it by mid-season then maybe we can jump all over BB for leaving the cupboard bare for Brady.      



    Completely fair comments and suggestion regarding the rook wr's. I for one am being patient on the rooks. I think they will come along.

    the only issue I have with our WR corps is putting too much into the injury prone bucket. Bb latched our wagon to Danny, Edelman and Gronk. All injury prone players. There is a lot of money and our future tied up in these guys. I would have preferred to spread the risk a little betterbr spend amendola money on a healthy vet Who is proven and then let the rooks develop behind him and Edelman. The situation we are in now with Danny missing a large chunk of time, Gronk hurt and Edelman producing but for how long, means the rooks have to play and contribute. 

     
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    You keep saying that if BB didn't have Brady he wouldn't be considered as good as he is.  Well BB picked him and would be really stupid to sit him just to prove to you that he is good with out Brady. That is using the pick of Brady against him. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

     

    You also totally ignore the season without Brady which was proof of his greatness as a GM and HC. You discount his work in Cleveland where he brought a lousy franchise to the playoffs in three years and built the foundation for the superbowl winning Ravens team.

     



    the question regarding "dynasties" is a chicken vs. egg kinda thing.  Name a top 5 HOF coach who didn't have a great QB. Name a top 5 HOF QB with 3 SB rings who didn't have a great coach. Since dynasties don't really happen that frequently - maybe it's sheer luck. BB's record w/o Brady doesn't smell of success. In addition, I don't think 2008 - the Patriots even went to playoffs.


    Joe Gibbs. Three Super Bowls with three different QBs. Theisman and the end of his career and two complete nobodies. The only real "dynasty" that spanned coaches and QBs was the '81-'94 49ers who had two coaches and two QBs for their 5 total Super Bowl victories. The Cowboys managed to win a third Super Bowl with Barry Switzer as coach after Jimmy Johnson left, so I Aikman would qualify for winning a Super Bowl with Switzer as head coach at the end of the Cowboys run.

     
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    Not all rookies have to suck either: Anquan Boldin had 101 catches for 1,337 yard his rookie year. With Jeff Blake at QB... 

     
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    I just wanna know why they cant simplify the offense until later. I mean its one thing to get by vs the Jets. A real team would have smoked us. Im just asking why all the deep balls which are harder to complete for guys looking to learn? Seems in preseason these guys ran more intermediate routes and now it is all deep shots which are much lower in percentage. Why not just start them off with a 5-10 yard hitch? I saw them both run every route in preseason. I think the plan was to get up early on the Jets. They had a bunch of plays designed to score TDs. I assume the gameplans going forward will be more simplified and make life easier on Brady. I mean that was UGLY! BUT it was all low percentage plays so Im not too worried yet. I think they can improve a lot in 10 days  but enough with the deep ball every play.

     

    "Take care of my B*tch, I may need her back in a couple years"

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    Let's get the story straight about the Brown's and what happened the final year before they moved to Baltimore when Bill Belichick was coaching them. At mid season 1995 Art Modell announced that he was moving the team. He didn't even bother telling his staff including Belichick. He lost the fan base, coaches, and players trust.

     

    I'm not saying that BB was an excellent coach back then but he had an excellent staff that worked long hours together trying hard to fix the Browns. His staff consisted of, Nick Saban, Mike Lombardi, Eric Mangini, Scott Pioli, Kirk Ferentz, Jim Schwartz, Ozzie Newsome, Phil Savage, Thomas Dimitroff. No one will ever know if they could of completed the task because it would be just speculation. But BB and his staff went through some very difficult times in Cleveland and leant a lot from what happened.

    Sorry for going off topic...



    I agree with this.  My father was a huge Browns fan, as a kid I watched all the Browns games with my father, and watched him suffer all those bad years... the Elway drives to beat them, the Byners fumble, there were many bad moments for Browns fans.

    My father liked Rutigliano but didn't think he was a very good coach, then Schottenheimer arrived and he was horrible, my father could not stand him, he was a choke artist as a coach and we felt bad for Chargers fans when they got him, lol.  Then Bud Carson came and he wasn't what they hoped for... but Bill Belicheck now he caught my fathers eye.  Young, making tough, unpopular decisions, Browns fans needed someone who was willing to take some chances and mix it up.  MY father liked this approach for his beloved team.  This is where I became a Belichick fan.. to this day my Father says that if that backstabbing owner would have stayed in Cleveland and kept Belichick they would have had several Super Bowl wins.  When I look back at the list of coaches and personnel Belichick had there at the time, I agree... no doubt, they would have been one of the great teams. 

     
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    Not all rookies have to suck either: Anquan Boldin had 101 catches for 1,337 yard his rookie year. With Jeff Blake at QB... 



    Heck, Terry Glenn had 90 catches for 1132 yards his rookie season... Of course, he was a top 10 pick. Boldin to Dobson should be a fair comparison 54th pick vs 59th pick.

     
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    Rookies wide receiver from Texans, has 114 yards yesterday to bail out the Texans in the final drive.

    my 2 cents

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    IF people want to complain about what the WR corps is, then please show me what you expected out of a couple of rookies, 1 and 2 games into their careers, respectively.

    Did you expect Calvin Johnson? He of a 48 catch rookie season?

    I can only imagine how Bungles fans reacted after AJ Green's 1 catch opening performance.

    Julio Jones, all those picks to move up and get him? 54 catches in his rookie year. 5 in game one, which probably means the rest of the season was a letdown since he averaged less than that per game, over 12. Yes, 12, because he missed 4 in the middle of the season. I know, injuries in the NFL? Who-da-thunk-it!

    People seem to have disturbingly unrealistic expectations, and a sickening level of entitlement.

    This TEAM and this FRANCHISE does not revolve around any single player. I don't care if God himself floats down and dons a Pats jersey. Even he wouldn't have the right to make demands of the coach and team like some around here would like to, and want to see Brady do.

    Once upon a time, this ENTIRE TEAM had to redo the offense to accomodate a backup QB who was young and couldn't do all the things his predecessor could. Worked out ok, no? So maybe, just maybe...we can have some fking patience for these kids too!




     
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    His story is greater than his results? Please explain.

    I thought his results are his story, that they're one and the same? You are what your record says you are, right? His record says he's alright.

     




    Story:  Greatest GM of the cap era.  Greatest GM ever.  Amazing GM.  Blah blah blah

     

    Results:  No Superbowl wins in almost 10 years.



    By that insane standard, 95% of current NFL head coaches and GMs are garbage. Apparently, it's a league run by morons. Interesting that you enjoy it at all.

     
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    Hey Ma6dragon. I don't think anyone here expects the rookies to play out-of-this-world. If they do, they are being unrealistic. 

    I think the debate is clustered around Brady yelling at Edelman (which everyone takes for Dobson) and their reaction to that. 

    And then some others voicing anger at the risking way NE assembled their roster this offseason: letting healthy proven players go, and replacing them with injury prone players, then not picking up veterans to take the heat off the younger players.

    Every time one of those rookies is out there sweating, you need to blame managment for putting them in this situation. 

    When Julio Jones came in he was backed by Roddy White and Atlanta went out and even got a HOF vet TE to take the heat off the kid. He was option #3 or #4 in that passing offense. He wasn't thrust into a spot where he is option #1B or C or D around two other rookies, a backup slot, and a utility TE. 

    NE put all their chips in on Amendola being healthy (he isn't and is likely out 6 weeks out of the gate now) and Gronk being ready in time (he isn't either).

    They'll get a bogey for the Hernandez thing. But even accounting for that ... adding Hernandez wouldn't work a miracle. 

     



    And how many rings has that produced?

     
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    Fact is...Wes Welker should be here. That is, was, and will remain a mistake.

    Beyond that...GET OVER IT!

    B Lloyd doesn't want to play football.

    They gave a contract I THOUGHT, as did many, would be enough to get Emmanuel Sanders. It wasn't. It happens.

    Who else should they have brought in?

    Was BALT going to send Boldin this way? Not likely?

    Who else?

    All this complaining, and nobody seems to have any other options. Just vague complaints that "it shouldn't be this way."

    Apparently nobody wanted Gronk because he's now too injury prone. 

    Apparently nobody wanted Hernandez, or at least knew this was coming.

    It was a strange bit of circumstance and bad timing - Some odd issue with Welker and he's gone at the same time Lloyd going totally crazy and retires at the same time Hernandez has one of the most bizarre stories in NFL history exposed and goes to jail at the same time Gronk is recovering from a marathon 4 surgery off-season at the same time another team actually matched a decent offer sheet for one of theirs...If just ONE of those things goes the other way, far fewer people are complaining, and Brady isn't so visibly frustrated.

    Seriously, add one of these:

    Welker

    Lloyd

    Sanders

    Healthy Gronk

    Hernandez

    Now much better do you like the passing game now? Unfortunately, luck did NOT favor the Pats this off-season. Poor planning, bad luck, arrogance, some mix of all that and more...oh well.

    I guess, for me, I expect nothing from this team. I HOPE for a lot. To that end, I expect these rookies to be rookies. I expect this offense to struggle early, and hope they get better with the season.

    In 07, we had the opposite offseason. Moss got traded to us. Welker's offer sheet was NOT matched, and away they went. It always balances out in the end.

    If you want to cherry-pick Boldin's 101 catch rookie campaign and ignore the 3 I offered, or cherry-pick one good game from another rookie around the league...well, you're going to be a frustrated, sad fan this year.

    At some point, those NUMEROUS "just misses" with the rookies will become some hits. Thompkins laying out? Dobson deep? Other little misses?

    Here's a prediction: Tom Brady does not have another game under 50% completion.

     
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    You have 100% missed the point.

    The problem isn't Thompkins.  It isn't Boyce.  It isn't Sudfeld.  It isn't Dobson.

    It's the fact that they're all on the team as rookies at the same time.  The only other receivers are an injured TE, an injured WR and a Special Teams guy.

    No one expects any rookie to be a miracle worker.  They should get limited playing time and limited targets while they learn everything.

    The GM has proven, once again, his story is a lot greater than his results.

     



     

    Then what exactly is "your" point?

    Patriots brought in the following Vets:

    Hawkins: (Beat out by a rookie)

    Jones: (Beat out by a rookie)

    Jenkins: (Beat out by a rookie)

    Amendola: (Made the team) [Argument "could" be made he was more a replacement for Llyod and NOT welker)

    Blount: (Made the team)

    Washington: (On the team)

    Patriots tried to get or keep the following Vets:

    Welker: Apparently offered him a better deal than what he ended up with. Was attempting to pay him what the "market" not the "patriots" was dictacting his value to be. He or his attorney did not like or want it. ...and because there were other options out there affecting the supply and demand of the market place, Welker and his attorney tried to play the stall game. Hoping the other options would sign elsewhere, changing the supply and demand equation, forcing the Pats into a bad negotating situation. The Patriots wisely said we are not going to allow that. Current injury to Amendola and all it was still the correct business move imo.

    Sanders: Offered him a deal. The steelers matched. Before everyone jumps at the chance to say the Patriots have so much cap blah blah, they could have offered 1 mil more. Let me point out that if the steelers wanted him they could have done a number of things with existing contracts to still match the higher tender. PatsEng goes on and on about that very thing all the time.

    Lloyd: Asked him back. He said no, not just to Pats, but everyone.

    Patriots had returning:

    Gronk: (he will be back, you are not temporarily replacing him with a stud, just a patch)

    Hernandez: (who knew his situation would happen? Happened after draft and you are not finding a talent of his caliber laying about the streets. Everyone loved that the Pats extended him early. No one should be a fraud and say they didn't. Argument "could" be made that he as well as Edelman were going to be looked at to fill Welkers role. 

    Hooman: (Made the team)

    Fells: (Beat out by a rookie)

    Edelman: (Made the team, currently leading league in receptions)

    Vareen: (Made the team)

    I certainly am not sure I get what your point or other peoples point is. Everyone acts like the Patriots did NOT bring in any Veteran WR's. I must be missing something because it appears that they did but those WR's were beat out by the rookies. I clearly do not see the point trying to be made. Are you suggesting keeping the lesser quality WR's because they have more years in the league?

    So in the end just exactly what, in detail, did you want the Patriots to do? It would be nice to show it as a guaranteed success as well, if you can.

    Love how you always spin and disrespect Edelman or are you leaving him out completely and referring to Slater?

    Edelman, if that is "your" special teams guy you are referring to is only currently tied for leading the NFL in receptions.

    It probably won't stay that way but as long as it is. Then it is what it is and you have to give him his due.

     
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    In response to Low-FB-IQ's comment:

    Edelman, if that is "your" special teams guy you are referring to is only currently tied for leading the NFL in receptions.

    It probably won't stay that way but as long as it is. Then it is what it is and you have to give him his due.



    Agree with everything you said except this, it is highly likely that (health provided) playing slot for Tom Brady Edelman could lead the league in receptions.  The only thing truly exceptional (lucky) about Wes Welker was his ability to stay healthy and avoid big hits, Julian along with numerous other guys in the NFL have the same skill set as Welker.  

    Edelman's biggest deficiency in my mind isn't that he's "injury prone" but rather he plays with a reckless abandon that ultimately gets him hurt, if he has learned to avoid contact either watching Welker or through experience and he has a high degree of luck he will be our leading receiver.  I don't think he'll change his style of play, so we really need him to be lucky.

     

     
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