Re: Six Personnel Errors That Haunt the Patriots
posted at 10/28/2011 2:47 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Six Personnel Errors That Haunt the Patriots
In Response to Re: Six Personnel Errors That Haunt the Patriots : I say you are a sad man. The hour Bodden gets released you dig up this thread. Lol, this thread weighs heavily on your mind doesn't it big guy? Not that you will be able to read this response as you took the little man way out and placed me on ignore. Ironically the man you say haunts Bill Belichick just lashed out at his teams owners and is getting buried on the depth chart behind better players. Here is a question as your hindsight is remarkably clear... Knowing what we know now about Asante(Buckner) Samuel, do you still think BB should have paid him the 60 million? He appears to be one he!! of a team player doesn't he? Thought so, I don't think BB is losing any sleep over this one, and Leigh Bodden was a good corner for us in 2009 and must not have been the same after his multiple injuries, but I'm sure an "objective" fan like you will bash him all the way out the door. Hey do you still think Tom Brady's knee injury was a result of his, "lack of focus"????? Good try buddy.
Posted by TrueChamp
You said yourself that Samuel was a top five guy earlier in this thread, so wouldn't that make you mistaken as well?
Furthermore, give TP some credit dude.
Bashing a guy on the way out the door, and talking about hindisght is NOT what happened here.
In this thread he was questioning Bodden earlier. That is not hindsight ... it's called seeing things for how they are. Then having something in line with your insights come true.
That is how football analysis works.
Samuel was never top five IMO. But top ten really ... and the bottom half for sure of the bottom five. He has holes in his game. However, just as I said after he went elsewhere, his salary would be a 'going rate' in a few years because of the price-premium on good corners and the proliferation of spread offenses and consquential proliferation of nickel-dime defenses.
And $60 million may be the 'total' value, but the guaranteed value is much, much less. $20 million guaranteed with the last two season's salaries eating up $18million. Add another 4.5 million in incentives tied to those two seasons, and you end up with a contract that was more like 4 years at $8.45 million. The "Franchise Tag" value on a corner in 2007, his contract season, was $7.79 million. In 2011 it is a whopping $14 million. If he was a top-five corner coming into 2011 as you said, he was woefully underpaid, considering they top five average a 70% increase over his average salary in that period.
He may have shot his mouth off in Philly, but the guy has delivered on the field there, and the team's ownership should be questioned (though not in the media by players). He was wrong to say something, but right in his assessment that the team did treat the offseason like a 'fantasy football' draft. They didn't need Asomugha, and needed offensive lineman. They could have had two quality OL players, and Asomugha looks like a wierdly placed luxury at this point.
Meanwhile he lead the NFL in interceptions 2009 and 2010. He has made the pro-bowl in 2008-9 & 10. An at a salary that is close to half what top five corners are making now.
Bodden, on the other hand, has made $12 million in the new contract, $4.3 in year one salary, $6 in guaranteed bonuses, and just under half of his $3.9 million for this season. He started zero games. He made zero interceptions. And he is now out the door. I will admit I thought they should have resigned him. But the worst case scenario occured. His resigning (in admitted hindsight) was a big mistake.
I won't say whether he or Bodden 'haunt' NE, because it's a long discussion that involves basically restructuring all the roster moves in that time around signing him, which would radically change the picture. But it's evident that Samuel is A.) a better player than anyone currently playing corner for NE, and B.) a bargain compared to Bodden's 4 year deal.
So, 1:1, it's not even conversation. Since Bodden was re-upped Philly's paid Samuel (pro-rated so far this season as well) in that 1.5 seasons about the same at a rough $12 million.
I think it's too hard to reconstruct what the rest of the roster would look like, but from a performance vs financials standpoint ... the Samuel deal looks sparkling compared to the Bodden deal.
And that is really a shame.