Six Personnel Errors That Haunt the Patriots

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    lol,,,, i like these "what if" game.
     
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    Posted by TexasPat3
     

    DUDE... Are you kidding me!?

    Jimmy Johnson himself said that picking Emmit Smith was just plain lucky!  They didn't even want a running back at that slot.  He wanted James Francis a linebacker out of Baylor. On draft day 1990 Johnson worked his way up the draft board to grab his prized linebacker.  Sitting at 17 he felt good about his CHANCES of snagging Francis... However the Bungles had other plans.  In his own words Emmit was a consolation.  Of course the 'boys get credit for picking Smith but even Johnson will tell you that he had no idea what he had.

    Either the Pats had expectations that Brady might be this good (possibly the greatest QB to ever play the game) or they did not.

    If the former is true than they were foolish to wait so long to draft him.  If the latter is true... Than they had no clue as to what they were getting.  If the truth lies somewhere in the middle... Than lady luck DOES INDEED PLAY A VERY SIGNIFICANT ROLE.

    P.S.

    Texas,  The statement about Manning vs Leaf was stated in jest to prove my point that luck was such a huge part of the equation.  Right up to and after the draft both of these guys were considered elite.  Only after they entered the NFL did the truth become clear.  So what happened.  I didn't hear too many people claim that the Bolts made a huge mistake at the time.  Of course looking back it's easy to claim that the Colts new better but they might have taken Leaf had they picked after SD, if not someone else surely would have taken leaf very early.  Are they just stupid?  How many experts including Bill B would admit that there is a huge element of crap shoot in the NFL draft.  You seem to be the only one who thinks it's an exact science. 


    Obviously  NOBODY (notice caps) knew that Leaf was going to be a bust... THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THE POST.  That lady luck was a huge factor in this. I have no idea how you missed that.

    Leaf, Blair Thomas, Curtis Enis, Heath Shuler, Lawrence Phillips, Ron Dayne, Trent Dilfer.  All of these guys were projected to be stars.

    NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE (note caps tex) thought that these guys would be the busts they turned out to be.  How do you explain that!

     
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    C'mon Tex get a clue!

    So what do you call it when a player for whom you have 6th round expectations plays like the greatest player ever at his position.  Luck, Skill, Good Planning, Great Talent Evaluation.  If a team can apply their talent evaluating skills this well than how do these same teams miss so often on picks that came BEFORE the Terrell Davis and Tom Brady picks.  Where are those players now?  How could the Broncos and Pats miss so wildly on the picks prior to those 2 players.  They had the skill and knowledge right?  So what happened?  Did they get stupid in the early part of the draft and suddenly the light shines on in the 6th round?  C'mon Tex Get a clue!

    Antwann Harris,  Jeff Marriot, David Stancheiski, Gregg Robison Randall, J R Redmond, Adrien Klemm.  Not a banner list... Wouldn't you agree? So why did we draft these guys before Brady since you seem to think that the Pats clearly had some sort of clue as to what Brady's potential was?  C'mon Tex get a clue!

     
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    In Response to Re: Five Personnel Errors That Haunt the Patriots :      In fairness to BB, it's harder to land a top flight CB, pass-rusher, or WR, when you're constantly selecting in the bottom third of the first round. Still...it can be done via a trade-up...which is how the Steelers got Polamalu, and the Jets got Revis. It can also be done if the scouting department is doing it's job.       Some have said that "all the draft publications had Chad Jackson rated highly"...etc.. It's not the job of the scouting department to mimic what the Mel Kipers of the world think. It's their job to find players. Continued failure should not be an option for that department.        How much more explosive would the Patriots' offense be if Mike Wallace lined up at WR? Would the Jets have been able to beat the Pats if the Pats' had Clay Matthews breathing doiwn the neck of Mark Sanchez? Would the Packers have been able to win a SB without Matthews?     
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    You are such a wannabe columnist it is not even funny. 

    inflammatory thread title - check
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    Backpedal when challenged- check
    more inflammatory remarks - check
    backpedal when challenged - double check

    It surprising that you are always so adamant about blaming the media for spygate.  Your inciting posts are significantly more inflammatory than the media's handling of spygate.  
     
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    Tex, if BB had re-signed Samuel he still would have "wasted" picks trying to get someone better because he really wasn't all that happy with Samuel.  Look at the Eagles . . . they signed Samuel and they're still signing big-name, big-contract corners.  You know why?  Because Samuel isn't quite as good as his stats suggest.  Yes, he is a starting-quality corner and good at jumping routes and getting the interceptions--but he has some serious weaknesses too. Namely, he gets beat deep a lot and his tackling is inconsistent at best.  I'm sure BB would have re-signed him for moderate money, but BB wasn't going to give top-five corner money to a corner he thought was incomplete. Samuel was insisting on very large (top of market) dollars. Remember he held out and didn't come to camp until the Pats agreed to franchise him for only one year--so he was an unrestricted free agent. BB would have had to pay big money to keep him, and he wasn't about to get in a bidding war for a guy he didn't really like all that much for the long term.  Would it have been better to have kept Samuel for moderate money?  No doubt about it.  But for what Samuel was demanding, BB made the right decision. Yes it hurt in the short term, but the reason BB is able to field a highly competitive team year after year is he doesn't let short term considerations overwhelm the longer term picture. 


     
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    Anyone else think Tex should let this thread die and wither away?

    Belichick is the best in the business, this isn't a debate.

    The draft is always a gamble, anytime you're relying on people you're taking a gamble.  Some people don't want to play football professionally, and it's not always just lack of talent, sometimes one big paycheck and being able to say you got drafted is enough, you have to fit heart into the equation.  A couple big hits can knock the love of the game right out of you.


     
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    The biggest personnel problem we've had in the BB era was replacing Charlie Weis, everything else was peanuts... Asante = not worth the money Clay = hindsight is 20/20 and we got great players in the draft I wouldnt want to be without now Wallace = really? Chad Jackson = bust, but easily the most athletic receiver in that draft Maroney = injured and was never the same Considering our overall record and that we win the AFC East every year this may be a case of nitpicking...
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    cunningham over dunlap was a major miscue. i called for a change to the 43 before the past two drafts. dunlap is a 21 year old monster coming off a rookie season with more sacks than Suh. the pats doibled down on the 34 in the 2010 draft by selecting spikes, who had and has little 43 flexibility. plenty of rangy 43 linebackers available in this past draft, and de romeus or lb herzlich could have been had in the seventh round, along with quality running backs. instead we took two rbs early instead of just one, in a rb class with an abundance of depth. Oh, and that seventh rounder was wasted on a backup safety who has since been cut to nobody's surprise.
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    TELL BRIDGETT SHE CAN STILL COME HOME!
     
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    BB is a HOF coach but not good at the draft. He likes being a Filenes' basement shopper and trades down alll the time hurting this team. '09 with the exception of Vollmer was a disaster draft for the Pats: Brace is terrible all baby fat, Butler should be cut, Tate was cut, a poor choice and Chung, while ok hitting, can't cover and was not worth Cassel and Vrabel
     
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    Our depth chart looks like a Pro Bowl roster, the premise that Asante Samuel is haunting us is laughable.  I'm laughing as I'm writing this...
     
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    ... and when he comes crawling back to play for us at less money it will be funnier still.
     
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    Anyone else think Tex should let this thread die and wither away? Belichick is the best in the business, this isn't a debate. The draft is always a gamble, anytime you're relying on people you're taking a gamble.  Some people don't want to play football professionally, and it's not always just lack of talent, sometimes one big paycheck and being able to say you got drafted is enough, you have to fit heart into the equation.  A couple big hits can knock the love of the game right out of you.
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    Tex wants to make himself appear important - almost like a teacher/instructor  - and altruistic by sharing for free his unique knowledge.  Its enough to make one lose his lunch.
     
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    Tex is alright, he just gets carried away sometimes...
     
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    Fans of the Jets were also laughing, as they watched the worst pass defense in the NFL make Mark Sanchez look like Peyton Manning on steroids. 
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    16 of 25 for 194 yards and three short TD passes is Peyton Manning on steroids?
     
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    Hey wait a second Tex, did we lose to the Jets because we have "the worst pass defense" or because they "pressured Brady up the middle" ?

    Is our offensive line your major concern or not having Asante Samuel? Is it Leigh Boddens fault that our secondary is so bad? Or maybe you still think that "Brady can't get over the 07 SB" as you suggested to me last year?

    Forgive me if I sound aggressive, I'm just trying to get some clarity on your past statements.
     
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    Right on! I have been writing for years about the Pat's draft failures.  Releasing proven winners and trading down for quantity over quality has left the Pats with no stud RB, no number one WR and no crazy star pass rusher.  No SB wins in 7 years attests to these failures.  Only the coaching genius of BB and the Artistry of TB have kept the Pats competative.  Just Imagine if TB hah had a true number one like Randy Moss for all those years.  Every year would have been 2007.
     
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