Re: Six Personnel Errors That Haunt the Patriots
posted at 9/5/2011 11:56 AM EDT
In Response to Re: Six Personnel Errors That Haunt the Patriots
This thread has officially jumped the shark. I think it did so four pages ago, in fact. OK, let's now bash BB even more for the Meriweather pick now that he's officially gone. Same with the Tate pick. Have at it. I'll repeat, once again, that for ANY player drafted outside of the Top 15 in the first round, your expectations should be that he: 1--makes the team; 2--becomes a starter eventually; and 3--might develop into a Pro Bowler some day. You're not talking about the "slam dunk" prospects once you get past the first half of the draft (although excellent players do slide, like Wilfork and Jerry Rice, for instance). As good as Bill Polian is, what "great" players has he selected outside of the Top 15 during his Colts tenure? Really, it's just one--Reggie Wayne--whom I believe was a second-half of the first round selection. Addai's a good player, not a great one. Bob Sanders had his moments as a second rounder, but couldn't stay on the field. Polians top three picks as Colts' GM have been Manning (first overall), Edgerrin James (top five pick), and Freeney (11th overall). BB's best first rounders, aside from stealing Wilfork at #21, where he NEVER should have been available for them, have been Seymour (sixth overall), Mayo (10th overall) and probably Ty Warren (13th overall). He made a great pick at #32 in Logan Mankins, and give McCourty a couple more years to prove himself, but that #27 overall pick could turn out to be a great one, too. The draft is a crapshoot, period. The Ryan Leaf/Manning discussion that was mentioned earlier in this thread proves it. NOBODY saw Leaf being that kind of bust. NOBODY. The Colts, in the end, took Manning because they liked his off-the-field makeup better than Leaf's. His on-field abilities weren't that much different.....but then again, how were the Colts to know that Manning wasn't just "acting" when they interviewed him? They had no way of knowing that: just like the Chargers really had no way of knowing that Leaf was a real jerk who didn't want to work that hard once he got the NFL money. OK, the 2006 and 2007 drafts (if you ignore the trades for Welker and Moss) were not good ones for BB. He missed on a lot of picks in 2008, too, but he also nailed the Mayo pick, got a really good special teamer in Slater, and also signed Green-Ellis and Guyton as UFAs. It really wasn't that bad a draft haul, especially when you consider that "Red Light" sabotaged that draft from the get-go with his extreme overpunishment of docking a first round pick for Spygate. 2009 had its misses, for sure, but all in all that draft was solid (Chung, Vollmer, Pryor, Edelman, Hoyer as a UFA, with Brace, Ohrnberger and Butler still hanging on for now). 2010 was a grand slam homer. That's not even debatable. 2011? We'll see, but some of the guys looked pretty good in pre-season. BB's draft record stacks up as well as anyone's over the last decade. That's not even debatable. His overall personnel decisions, which also have been criticized here, have led to a 135-44 record, including post-season, since 2001. Yeah, he's really bad at his job.
Posted by hardright
For the seventh (7th) time
, the purpose of this thread was not to criticize BB. Everybody here understands that his good decision greatly outweigh his bad ones. But, there have been some bad ones...and it seemed to me to be a good topic to generate some good Patriots' football talk, as we slog our way to September 12th.
As for the Manning/Leaf thing...you correctly have pointed out that the Colts did their homework in looking into Peyton's off-field make-up...which led to their franchise saving decision to take him over Leaf. On the other hand, the Chargers did not
look into Leaf's off-field make-up. The head of their scouting staff at the time has admitted this. It wasn't "luck"...but lack of due diligence by their scouting department, that led to the Leaf disaster.
The Colts decision to take Manning over Leaf had nothing to do with "luck". It had everything to do with their scouting department doing their jobs...while the Chargers' scouting department did not.
As for the 2009 draft, with the exception of Sebastien Vollmer, it's looking more and more like a disaster. Edelman has shown himself tom be a good punt returner, but has yet to distinquish himself as a slot receiver. The Pats passed on Clay Matthews, and chose Brandon Tate over Mike Wallace. Ron Brace and Darius Butler, with each passing day, appear to be busts. Patrick Chung does some nice things at SS, and is a sure tackler. But, he has issues in pass coverage.
Sorry...but it is what it is. Ask yourself this...if the Jets had done these things, would you be defending them...or laughing at them?