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    http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-england-patriots&id=4749512&city=boston

     

     

    Patriots subbed effectively and the overvalued, "irreplaceable" Jackie Slater was not missed in the least bit.

    A legitimate pass catching option for the offense like a Quentin Sims would be a better use of that roster spot... 

    Wasn't there another thread on this...?

     
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    Patriots subbed effectively and the overvalued, "irreplaceable" Jackie Slater was not missed in the least bit.

    A legitimate pass catching option for the offense like a Quentin Sims would be a better use of that roster spot... 

    Wasn't there another thread on this...?



    I have no idea how you can make that comment.  When Amendola and Gronk come back, there would be NO opportunities for a guy like Sims.  Boyce needs those reps, which he won't even get many.  So what makes you think Sims is better than Boyce or what we currently have?  

    Slate is a probowler and if released will get picked up by teams that need special teams help, or even teams that take all 3 phases as serious as BB.  This guy is considered the best gunner in the game, and is a captain on the team, which is voted by the players on the team.  A game changing play can occur bu a return for a TD, and it's guys like Slater that LIVE to stop these plays from happening.

    It's only been one week that they weathered the storm, anbd hopefully it will continue.  I do not feel Slater is wasting a roster spot.  Tebow would be wasting a roster spot.  

     
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    That article proves nothing except that the Patriots used 4 different players to replace Slater on STs.  Boyce doesn't even see the field and you want to replace a team captain and the best special teamer on the team with another WR.  Idk what your agenda is against Slater, but you are doing a pretty poor job of pushing it.

     
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    That article proves nothing except that the Patriots used 4 different players to replace Slater on STs.  Boyce doesn't even see the field and you want to replace a team captain and the best special teamer on the team with another WR.  Idk what your agenda is against Slater, but you are doing a pretty poor job of pushing it.



    I said the same thing... I don't get it. 

     
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    Thank God you're not running this team.  That's all I have to say.

     
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    look... Just saying.  The 5-6 special teams plays  do not have a real consequence in the game over replacement.  A player should have more value than just sts at that position since it is so wide open for development.  If not Sims how about someone else with an UPSIDE.

    Slater is a one trick pony whose trick is replaceable.

     
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    look... Just saying.  The 5-6 special teams plays  do not have a real consequence in the game over replacement.  A player should have more value than just sts at that position since it is so wide open for development.  If not Sims how about someone else with an UPSIDE.

    Slater is a one trick pony whose trick is replaceable.



    Kick off, Kick Returns, Punt return, Punts, and being a captain for all these groups is significant.  There are many deadly returns out there and they chnage a game in a single play.  Every player is replaceable you;re right.  You just haven't mentioned a player worthy of replacing Slater.  Slater is a probowler.  Sims is PS.

     
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    The 5-6 special teams plays  do not have a real consequence in the game over replacement.



    /facepalm

     
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    http://m.espn.go.com/general/blogs/blogpost?blogname=new-england-patriots&id=4749512&city=boston

     

     

    Patriots subbed effectively and the overvalued, "irreplaceable" Jackie Slater was not missed in the least bit.

    A legitimate pass catching option for the offense like a Quentin Sims would be a better use of that roster spot... 

    Wasn't there another thread on this...?

     



    I have no idea how you can make that comment.  When Amendola and Gronk come back, there would be NO opportunities for a guy like Sims.  Boyce needs those reps, which he won't even get many.  So what makes you think Sims is better than Boyce or what we currently have?  

     

    Slate is a probowler and if released will get picked up by teams that need special teams help, or even teams that take all 3 phases as serious as BB.  This guy is considered the best gunner in the game, and is a captain on the team, which is voted by the players on the team.  A game changing play can occur bu a return for a TD, and it's guys like Slater that LIVE to stop these plays from happening.

    It's only been one week that they weathered the storm, anbd hopefully it will continue.  I do not feel Slater is wasting a roster spot.  Tebow would be wasting a roster spot.  



    +1, Sims wouldn't even be getting reps. Heck any team can grab him right now and no one has. The Pats have been working out WRs (maybe Boyce isn't even close to ready yet and Amendola might miss more time than originally projected) over just bringing the kid up from PS. There is no way you replace a probowler and team captain with a PS WR who won't get any reps anyways simply because he made two good catches in preseason game 4 against DB's that ended up being cut anyways

     
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    The 5-6 special teams plays  do not have a real consequence in the game over replacement.




    Tell that to my Hokies.  We lost to Alabama by 21 points but 14 of their points came off of 2 ST plays.  Our defense played oustanding in that game, only giving up 14 points total to the number 1 team in the NCAA.  If ST did their job, and Logan doesn't throw a pick-6, it's a tie game going into OT.

    Special Teams matters.

     
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    The 5-6 special teams plays  do not have a real consequence in the game over replacement. 



    Just this week alone there were 10 plays Slater would have been on and that's including a relatively slow pace game for NE, 5 4th down attempts, a missed FG, and a couple of turnovers. On a typical Sunday Slater is going to see the field 15-25 times. That's a little more than 5-6 plays and a ton more than Sims would ever even see the field.

     

     
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    Don't know how you go about proving this one way or the other except take him out and measure the difference. 

    Oh wait...  That just happened.  No difference.  If you are  afraid of something bad happening, that is real fear and a reason to keep a guy.

    But then again , it might be just your imagination.

     

     
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    Don't know how you go about proving this one way or the other except take him out and measure the difference. 

    Oh wait...  That just happened.  No difference.  If you are  afraid of something bad happening, that is real fear and a reason to keep a guy.

    But then again , it might be just your imagination.

     

     

     



    No kick or punt returners did anything due to good kick offs and punts!  Stop saying our other gunners were as good as Slater when they didn't have to do anything, please.

     

     

    Let it go. You're either related to Sims or Slater slept with your wife or gf.

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    thanks for helping to make my point.  It's a low value low skill position.  The irony of your post is that slaters family relations are partly why he is on the team.  I like gunners like Cole who can play DB for instance.

    Other thing is , its 11 guys.  Unit have up huge return against SF last year that lost that game.   sts recent years have been poor to average.  You gonna hang some of that on Slater...?

     
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    I was one of the guys who asked about K.Aiken and if he could fill that role. Here is why I would say now. Guy like Sims and the K.Aiken guy can actually play WR. They are big and fast and have potential. They will continue to try to make someones team,. Slater has no hopes of becoming a WR. He has embraced the role and even I underestimated him. Sure you go a game and not notice if he plays, but he IS the best guy for HIS role. You are talking about having a guy take his place to help in offense when I think 4 rookie pass catchers are plenty.

    Slater is a guy that probably was given a chance due to who his father is and I noted this many times, but as long as we arent missing out on Megatron, Im fine with him here playing his role. There are other special teamers who are better, but not many gunners. I only say this after Matt Catham praised his play. Otherwise Its hard to gauge. Sure he always downfield 1st, but being fast he should be. Sometimes he isnt the tackler, but makes the guy call a fair catch. Lets hope a team with good s/t doesnt make u eat your words. So far, they have been up n down. Allen is frustrating to watch as Mesko seemed to be better but oh well

     

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    Well, I think we are all officially dumber after reading this thread's original post. Wow.

     
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    Don't know how you go about proving this one way or the other except take him out and measure the difference. 

    Oh wait...  That just happened.  No difference.  If you are  afraid of something bad happening, that is real fear and a reason to keep a guy.

    But then again , it might be just your imagination.

     



    You have yet to give a reason Sims belongs on the team. And no 2 preseason catches isn't good enough. What has he done so far that he deserves a spot? Where was he against better competition in preseason or the other 4 preseason games or reports from experts during camp. Except for two catches against guys not even playing right now he hasn't shown anything so why do you think he deserves to be on the team over someone who's been so good he's been elected to a probowl for his position and was named a team captain. For some reason I think you might be using your imagination believing Sims is more than what he is right now deserving to be on the team. Are you telling me he deserves reps over Boyce, Thompkins, and Dobson? If so then why hasn't a single team grabbed him yet. They can sign him anytime since he's only on the PS

     
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    Slater is a playmaker on ST and has proven his value repeatedly.  Using the Tampa game in isolation as a rationale for any argument I think is leading with your chin.  

     
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    Don't know how you go about proving this one way or the other except take him out and measure the difference. 

    Oh wait...  That just happened.  No difference.  If you are  afraid of something bad happening, that is real fear and a reason to keep a guy.

    But then again , it might be just your imagination.

     

     



    You have yet to give a reason Sims belongs on the team. And no 2 preseason catches isn't good enough. What has he done so far that he deserves a spot? Where was he against better competition in preseason or the other 4 preseason games or reports from experts during camp. Except for two catches against guys not even playing right now he hasn't shown anything so why do you think he deserves to be on the team over someone who's been so good he's been elected to a probowl for his position and was named a team captain. For some reason I think you might be using your imagination believing Sims is more than what he is right now deserving to be on the team. Are you telling me he deserves reps over Boyce, Thompkins, and Dobson? If so then why hasn't a single team grabbed him yet. They can sign him anytime since he's only on the PS

     




     

    Only reason given so far is UPSIDE in a position that is open to development.  Look at  Vincent Jackson... He's big lanky , can jump and catch balls over smaller guys.  This is gronks advantage too ... Wingspan , catch radius....  Easier target.    Simple.  Having a guy that gives you this is a game plan advantage vs .certain teams, maybe not all.  But hey these guys are all learning the system and have different skillsets.  One guy is a huge question mark.(da)...  One guy only plays sts.  This priority question is moot if you carry an extra wideout but really this is about how valuable a gunner specialist is in this NFL today with 80% touchbacks and punter hangtime, faircatches etc.  The other point is Brady has games where they hardly punt at all. ( not lately). But still.  Injuries happen, especially to wrs, pressed into service you can stick Jackie out there but  come on, lets have a guy with the big play capability big sure hands, hungry... Young .  That's the point of this argument. 

     
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    Sims is still a FA, no one sees the value you see in him.

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    Don't know how you go about proving this one way or the other except take him out and measure the difference. 

    Oh wait...  That just happened.  No difference.  If you are  afraid of something bad happening, that is real fear and a reason to keep a guy.

    But then again , it might be just your imagination.

     

     

     



    No kick or punt returners did anything due to good kick offs and punts!  Stop saying our other gunners were as good as Slater when they didn't have to do anything, please.

     

     

    Let it go. You're either related to Sims or Slater slept with your wife or gf.

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    thanks for helping to make my point.  It's a low value low skill position.  The irony of your post is that slaters family relations are partly why he is on the team.  I like gunners like Cole who can play DB for instance.

    Other thing is , its 11 guys.  Unit have up huge return against SF last year that lost that game.   sts recent years have been poor to average.  You gonna hang some of that on Slater...?

     



    Belichick doesn't see it that way.  He often plays starters on special teams.  McCourty was returning kick-offs last year, despite the huge potential cost to the defense if he had been injured. Starting field position is critical in football, and because of that Slater is not going to be cut to make room for a guy who will never get on the field.  Let's face it, Boyce is having trouble getting snaps.  Sims would be buried behind Boyce.  

     

    Plus, one game doesn't prove anything.  It took four guys to replace one . . . and luckily none was really tested.  But next week could be different. Slater made some fantastic plays earlier this season.  Let's hope next week isn't the week we need one of those plays and he's not there.

     

    Finally, the kicking game is still a critical part of football.  Any educated fan--and certainly every even half competent coach --knows that.  You can win or lose games in the kicking game and a coach ignores it at his great peril.

     

     

     
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    Only reason given so far is UPSIDE in a position that is open to development.  Look at  Vincent Jackson... He's big lanky , can jump and catch balls over smaller guys.  This is gronks advantage too ... Wingspan , catch radius....  Easier target.    Simple.  Having a guy that gives you this is a game plan advantage vs .certain teams, maybe not all.  But hey these guys are all learning the system and have different skillsets.  One guy is a huge question mark.(da)...  One guy only plays sts.  This priority question is moot if you carry an extra wideout but really this is about how valuable a gunner specialist is in this NFL today with 80% touchbacks and punter hangtime, faircatches etc.  The other point is Brady has games where they hardly punt at all. ( not lately). But still.  Injuries happen, especially to wrs, pressed into service you can stick Jackie out there but  come on, lets have a guy with the big play capability big sure hands, hungry... Young .  That's the point of this argument. 



    Upside? Boyce, Thompkins, and Dobson have more upside it's why they are on the team. You can't keep every player with upside otherwise we'd all still be holding on to Jackson, Johnson (not that one), Tate, Price, Nunn. They all had upside in preseason. Slater is a proven probowler and Sims doesn't even have enough upside for a single team to take him on their PS. Not every WR who is big, has good hands, and can run ok is going to be Vincent Jackson. BTW if the Pats don't punt it usually means they score which means Slater is on kick coverage. Slater just doesn't play punts he plays every ST extra FG's (us kicking because he does play when other team is kicking). I'd much rather have a play actually on the field 15-25 plays a game (even if it's just STs) then a player with potential upside that won't see the field over other more upside rooks and a couple vets. Heck, Boyce won't even get any reps once Gronk or Amendola gets back

     
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    Sims is still a FA, no one sees the value you see in him.

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    Admit to the small sample size.  Other teams have their players.  He's undrafted.  Don't know anything except Slater is out, sts didn't miss him.  The specialized role he plays is diminishing daily.  Give me the player with an upside who can do more  than part time gunner extraordinaire. 

     

     

    Its not that much to ask...  that a player fulfill the position he occupies.  The depth chart now is Edelman ,KT, Dobson, Boyce.  Then what.  What if the hamstring acts up... Surprised more posters are not concerned about this depth since team is facing the tough part of the schedule right now and the offense has  a small sample size as well, that is, executing at a level that might win games going forward. 

     

     
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