Some Pre-Draft Superlatives

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    Some Pre-Draft Superlatives

    Favorite Offensive Prospect- LSU WR Jarvis Landry (also my favorite prospect overall)


     


    Favorite Defensive Prospect- MSU CB Darqueze Dennard


     


    Favorite Small School Prospect- Montana LB Jordan Tripp


     


    Favorite Tweener- FSU LB Telvin Smith


     


    Biggest Sleeper- UVA DL Brent Urban


     


    Late Round Steal- Maryland CB Dexter McDougle


     


    Looks The Part- ND TE Troy Niklas


     


    No Thanks- TE Colt Lyerla


     


    I Bet Belichick Loved His 3C and Workouts- Oregon State WR Brandin Cooks


     


    The Most Underrated- BYU LB Kyle Van Noy


     


    The Most Overrated- ASU DT Will Sutton


     


    The Most Maddening Prospect To Watch- Minnesota DL Ra'Shede Hageman


     


    The Most Mocked To New England- Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz


     


    The Best Player That No One Really Talks About- Wisconsin LB Chris Borland


     


    The Best Player That Many Have Never Heard Of- Nevada CB Phillip Gaines


     


    The Best Potential Value- VT DB Antone Exum (talent vs. expected draft position)


     


    The Smartest Prospect- PSU OL John Urschel


     


    The Next Edelman- NW WR Kain Colter


     


    The Next Welker- WF WR Michael Campanaro


     


    The Next Mankins- Nevada OL Joel Bitonio


     


    The Next Chandler- Mizzou DE/OLB Kony Ealy


     


    The Next DMC- NIU S Jimmie Ward


     


    The Next Honey Badger (on the field)- FSU S Lamarcus Joyner


     



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    Some Pre-Draft Superlatives:


    Favorite Offensive Prospect- Ole Miss WR Donte Moncrief - only 8 prospects in the last 20 years have come out with his combo of size, speed, strength and 5 were pro-bowlers


    Favorite Defensive Prospect- Minn DT Ra'Shede Hageman - I really wanted Watt and he's my second chance


    Favorite Small School Prospect- Dixie State TE Joe Don Duncan


    Favorite Tweener- Vir Tech CB/S Antone Exum


    Biggest Sleeper- W Vir DE Will Clark


    Late Round Steal- S Florida DE Aaron Lynch


    Looks The Part- Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz


    No Thanks- 3 players TE Colt Lyerla, TE Colt Lyerla, TE Colt Lyerla


    I Bet Belichick Loved His 3C and Workouts- Geo S. RB Jerick McKinnon - top 5 in every category at the combine. Talk about a BB wet dream


    The Most Underrated- BC LB Steele Divitto


    The Most Overrated- Lou QB Teddy Bridgewater


    The Most Maddening Prospect To Watch- Tenn DT Daniel McCullers


    The Most Mocked To New England- Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz


    The Best Player That No One Really Talks About- Geo S. RB Jerick McKinnon


    The Best Player That Many Have Never Heard Of- Saginaw Valley WR Jeff Janis


    The Best Potential Value- S Florida DE Aaron Lynch


    The Smartest Prospect- PSU OL John Urschel


    The Next Edelman- Geo S. RB Jerick McKinnon


    The Next Welker- Mich WR Jeremy Gallon


    The Next Mankins- Baylor OL Cyril Richardson


    The Next Chandler- Mizzou DE/OLB Kony Ealy


    The Next DMC- Flo S FS Terrence Brooks


    The Next Honey Badger (on the field)- TCU CB Jason Verrett


    What are yours?



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    My guy is on your board. Telvin Smith. Exactly the LB this team needs. Adds versatility, speed, and length. Love those 3 factors.

     
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    Re: Some Pre-Draft Superlatives

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    Maybe just a bit, but it does fit the criteria for those listed. No one talks about him, he was top 5 in every category at the combine, and if we are talking the next Edelman why not another convert QB who will surprise people and could be a ST returner

     
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    Re: Some Pre-Draft Superlatives

    Fastest Riser....Cody Latimer/WR


    Biggest Oversight...shared between Abbrederis/WR and Norwood/WR


    Best Bet to Play 10 Years at an ALL-PRO Level.....Robinson/OT


    Best Value in a Low Rated Player ......Bullough/ILB

     
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    Maybe just a bit, but it does fit the criteria for those listed. No one talks about him, he was top 5 in every category at the combine, and if we are talking the next Edelman why not another convert QB who will surprise people and could be a ST returner


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    Fastest Riser....Cody Latimer/WR


     


    Biggest Oversight...shared between Abbrederis/WR and Norwood/WR


     


    Best Bet to Play 10 Years at an ALL-PRO Level.....Robinson/OT


     


    Best Value in a Low Rated Player ......Bullough/ILB


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    I'd even add Zack Martin to the 10 year All-Pro category, as an OG... I think at the very least, he's Matt Light as an OT.

     
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    Favorite Offensive Prospect- Sammy Watkins or Cooks


    Favorite Defensive Prospect- Khalil Mack


    Favorite Small School Prospect-


    Favorite Tweener- FSU LB Telvin Smith (agree)


    Biggest Sleeper-UNC DE Kareem Martin


    Late Round Steal- USF DE Aaron Lynch


    Looks The Part- ND TE Troy Niklas (agree)


    No Thanks- TE Colt Lyerla (agree)


    I Bet Belichick Loved His 3C and Workouts- Oregon State WR Brandin Cooks (agree)


    The Most Underrated- Jarvis Landry or Telvin Smith


    The Most Overrated- Odell Beckham (some say mid 1st? hell no) or Dee Ford


    The Most Maddening Prospect To Watch- DT Dan McCullers


    The Most Mocked To New England- Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz/ Minn DT Hageman


    The Best Player That No One Really Talks About- Wisconsin LB Chris Borland (agree)


    The Best Player That Many Have Never Heard Of- Nevada OL Joel Bitoni


    The Best Potential Value- Aaron Lynch


    The Next Welker- WF WR Michael Campanaro


    The Next Mankins- Nevada OL Joel Bitoni


    The Next Chandler- Mizzou DE/OLB Kony Ealy


    The Next Honey Badger (on the field)- FSU S Joyner (off the field) - Manziel or Roby


     


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    I'm not as educated about this year's class as you guys are, but I'll give it a shot:


    Favorite Offensive Player:  Carlos Hyde  RB  OSU


    Fav. Def. Player:  Ryan Shazier  LB  OSU


    Fav.Small School Guy:  Ryan Carrethers   DT  Arkansas St.


    Fav. Tweener:  Demarcus Lawrence  OLB/DE  Boise St.


    Biggest Sleeper:  Boseko Lomboko  OLB  Oregon


    Late Round Steal:  Louchiez Purifoy  CB   Florida


    Looks the Part:  Louis Nix III DT  ND


    No Thanks:  Dominique Easley  DE/DT  Florida


    BB Loved his Workout:  Bruce Ellington  WR   S. Carolina


    Underrated:  Kyle Van Noy  OLB  BYU


    Over-rated:  Odell Beckham Jr.  WR   LSU


    Most Maddening to Watch:  Hageman 


    Most mocked to NE:  Hageman


    Best Player No one Talks About:  Bishop Sankey  RB  UW


    Best Player No one has Heard of:  Trevor Reiley  OLB  Utah


    Best Potential Value:  Logan Thomas  QB  VA Tech


    Smartest:  Urschel


    Next Welker:  Jeremy Gallon  Mich WR


    Next Edelman:  Jerick McKinnon  RB  GA Southern  (Good Comparison, Eng.)


    Next Mankins:  Xavier Su-a'Filo  OG  UCLA


    Next Chandler:  Kareem Martin   UNC


    Next DMC:  Jimmy Ward  N. Illinois


    Next Honey Badger:  Brock Vereen  FS  Minnesota

     
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    Help me out with this guys. I'm not seeing the fascination with Hageman. He's got the prototype size, strength and straight line speed to be a dominant force at DT but I'm not seeing this translated to the playing field. With his physical attributes he should have dominated college kids this past year but was way too inconsistent.


    Another thing I don't like is that he was a 23 yr. old this past season at Minnesota playing against younger, less developed players. It's kind of like a man playing against boys in a sense and I feel he didn't live up to the hype and show enough production.


     


     


     


     

     
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    Help me out with this guys. I'm not seeing the fascination with Hageman. He's got the prototype size, strength and straight line speed to be a dominant force at DT but I'm not seeing this translated to the playing field. With his physical attributes he should have dominated college kids this past year but was way too inconsistent.


    Another thing I don't like is that he was a 23 yr. old this past season at Minnesota playing against younger, less developed players. It's kind of like a man playing against boys in a sense and I feel he didn't live up to the hype and show enough production.


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    He didn't switch to the DL until 2010 (well 09' but was red shirted) so he's still developing. But he's shown flashes of that dominance you mentioned. He just needs a bit more develop and consistency to reach it.


    As for age we aren't talking 23 vs 16yr olds. We are talking 23 vs 21, 22 yr olds. Looking at the players coming out that 1 extra year doesn't give him a massive advantage in size like a yr in HS would

     
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    Help me out with this guys. I'm not seeing the fascination with Hageman. He's got the prototype size, strength and straight line speed to be a dominant force at DT but I'm not seeing this translated to the playing field. With his physical attributes he should have dominated college kids this past year but was way too inconsistent.


     


    Another thing I don't like is that he was a 23 yr. old this past season at Minnesota playing against younger, less developed players. It's kind of like a man playing against boys in a sense and I feel he didn't live up to the hype and show enough production.


     


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    He didn't switch to the DL until 2010 (well 09' but was red shirted) so he's still developing. But he's shown flashes of that dominance you mentioned. He just needs a bit more develop and consistency to reach it.


     


    As for age we aren't talking 23 vs 16yr olds. We are talking 23 vs 21, 22 yr olds. Looking at the players coming out that 1 extra year doesn't give him a massive advantage in size like a yr in HS would


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    We're also talking about a 23 year old playing against 18 to 20 year old players. There's a lot of physical development between a college freshman at 18 or 19 years of age and a 23 year old player. I just didn't see enough from Hageman on a consistent basis. To me it seems he doesn't use his hands well and gives up against the double team.


     

     
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    We're also talking about a 23 year old playing against 18 to 20 year old players. There's a lot of physical development between a college freshman at 18 or 19 years of age and a 23 year old player. I just didn't see enough from Hageman on a consistent basis. To me it seems he doesn't use his hands well and gives up against the double team.


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    Then you can say that about every DT in the draft. But really most starting OL are 20-22yrs old. 4 year starters aren't common and if they are 4 years starters for the most part they were a large body to begin with.


    For the double team that's true. Hence he needs to be more consistent. The hands part is again he's learning the position. He's only played it in a reserve role for 2 years and a starter role for 2. He's still figuring it out. But the athletic ability is there and you can see he made big strides from 12' to 13' so he is learning pretty quick (ie like the same speed Solder was said to grasp his new position)

     
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    We're also talking about a 23 year old playing against 18 to 20 year old players. There's a lot of physical development between a college freshman at 18 or 19 years of age and a 23 year old player. I just didn't see enough from Hageman on a consistent basis. To me it seems he doesn't use his hands well and gives up against the double team.


     


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    Then you can say that about every DT in the draft. But really most starting OL are 20-22yrs old. 4 year starters aren't common and if they are 4 years starters for the most part they were a large body to begin with.


     


    For the double team that's true. Hence he needs to be more consistent. The hands part is again he's learning the position. He's only played it in a reserve role for 2 years and a starter role for 2. He's still figuring it out. But the athletic ability is there and you can see he made big strides from 12' to 13' so he is learning pretty quick (ie like the same speed Solder was said to grasp his new position)


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    I've seen Hageman mocked to the Pats at pick 29 by quite a few people and I don't like him at that spot. I think that's way too early when you look at his production. His senior year stats were 38 tackles and two sacks. I don't think it takes a player with his obvious physical skills four years to figure out how to play the DT position. His size and strength don't equate to his on field play.


    JJ Watt's junior year stats were 59 tackles and 7 sacks as a 21 year old at Wisconsin. I'm not seeing any similarities to Hageman. Watt had a non - stop motor during his college career while Hageman disappeared too often.


     

     
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    Favorite Offensive Prospect- LSU WR Jarvis Landry (also my favorite prospect overall)


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Favorite Defensive Prospect- MSU CB Darqueze Dennard


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Favorite Small School Prospect- Montana LB Jordan Tripp


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Favorite Tweener- FSU LB Telvin Smith


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Biggest Sleeper- UVA DL Brent Urban


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Late Round Steal- Maryland CB Dexter McDougle


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Looks The Part- ND TE Troy Niklas


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    No Thanks- TE Colt Lyerla


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    I Bet Belichick Loved His 3C and Workouts- Oregon State WR Brandin Cooks


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Most Underrated- BYU LB Kyle Van Noy


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Most Overrated- ASU DT Will Sutton


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Most Maddening Prospect To Watch- Minnesota DL Ra'Shede Hageman


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Most Mocked To New England- Iowa TE CJ Fiedorowicz


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Best Player That No One Really Talks About- Wisconsin LB Chris Borland


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Best Player That Many Have Never Heard Of- Nevada CB Phillip Gaines


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Best Potential Value- VT DB Antone Exum (talent vs. expected draft position)


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Smartest Prospect- PSU OL John Urschel


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Next Edelman- NW WR Kain Colter


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Next Welker- WF WR Michael Campanaro


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Next Mankins- Nevada OL Joel Bitonio


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Next Chandler- Mizzou DE/OLB Kony Ealy


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Next DMC- NIU S Jimmie Ward


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    The Next Honey Badger (on the field)- FSU S Lamarcus Joyner


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     



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    good post. what round do you think landry will go? he looks like he could be the next troy brown.


     


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    Thanks... tough call, I think he should be taken in Rd 2 pick, but don't know what teams will think due to his lack of elite speed.  Funny you say that because I almost posted as such in my OP, ha... very similar attributes... good call.

     
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    I've seen Hageman mocked to the Pats at pick 29 by quite a few people and I don't like him at that spot. I think that's way too early when you look at his production. His senior year stats were 38 tackles and two sacks. I don't think it takes a player with his obvious physical skills four years to figure out how to play the DT position. His size and strength don't equate to his on field play.


    JJ Watt's junior year stats were 59 tackles and 7 sacks as a 21 year old at Wisconsin. I'm not seeing any similarities to Hageman. Watt had a non - stop motor during his college career while Hageman disappeared too often.


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    And Seymour had less sacks (.5 less) than Hageman over a 4 year period too. You have to be careful when looking at college production as it doesn't always translate to what they will do in the NFL. In understand your hesitation but I don't think you are giving him enough credit as many didn't give Solder when the Pats drafted him either. Hageman is a boom or bust player for sure, but many have said he has the most upside and very well could turn out to be the best player in the draft if everything clicks right. It's that potential everyone sees as they did with C. Jones and as they did with Solder.

     
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    I've seen Hageman mocked to the Pats at pick 29 by quite a few people and I don't like him at that spot. I think that's way too early when you look at his production. His senior year stats were 38 tackles and two sacks. I don't think it takes a player with his obvious physical skills four years to figure out how to play the DT position. His size and strength don't equate to his on field play.


     


    JJ Watt's junior year stats were 59 tackles and 7 sacks as a 21 year old at Wisconsin. I'm not seeing any similarities to Hageman. Watt had a non - stop motor during his college career while Hageman disappeared too often.


     


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    And Seymour had less sacks (.5 less) than Hageman over a 4 year period too. You have to be careful when looking at college production as it doesn't always translate to what they will do in the NFL. In understand your hesitation but I don't think you are giving him enough credit as many didn't give Solder when the Pats drafted him either. Hageman is a boom or bust player for sure, but many have said he has the most upside and very well could turn out to be the best player in the draft if everything clicks right. It's that potential everyone sees as they did with C. Jones and as they did with Solder.


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    We're going to have to agree to disagree on Hageman. I've seen too many guys drafted on potential that don't pan out. Given Hageman's measurables he should have been a dominant player this past year. It'll be interesting to see how much effort he gives as a pro when he's going against players who are as big and strong as he is.


    I hope you're right about Hageman but that's only if the Pats draft him.


     

     
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    Hageman would get my vote for the "love em'/hate em'" category. 


     

     
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