some very interesting observations from PFF

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    good post Rkarp.

    not surprising that when u keep Brady clean he will succeed. also thought the D line's pass rush was atrocious. that needs to improve big time. the run D looked good but it was against a bad running game still tests to come for those guys.

     
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    In response to rkarp's comment:

    I counted Brday under pressure on 21 drop backs and he was also sacked 4 times...so on 25 drop backs his passer rating was very poor due to pressure. when kept clean, his rating was 112...to say TB played a poor game is crazy...yes, he would like to have some throws back...but he played very well in spite of a poor performance by his o line



    yes, also I've stated this on many threads. that dumb PA where TB trots and sometimes even fakes a reverse to a WR too he ALWAYS gets killed.

    also ive noticed that anytime we pull a guard or any Ol for that matter things go bad.. whether its a run or PA it doesnt end well. need more consistentcy there

     
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    Like I said, the elephant in the room is the O-line. The D is doing okay considering the injuries. No worse than in recent years when they didn't have such injuries.

     
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    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    Like I said, the elephant in the room is the O-line. The D is doing okay considering the injuries. No worse than in recent years when they didn't have such injuries.



    Explains why Brady just can't make those progression reads.  He may release the ball quickly, but, his pocket collapses so quickly, he is pressured.  Some of those sacks happened so fast they looked like they happened immediately, too!

     
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    Just a great post

    if you don't have time to throw you cant

    if you have time you may

    And Campbell is a good Qb , ask Bb, with great wrs who got great yac

    A note, we always seem to get the best from each team and almost all

    of these teams have had very good front 7s

    For us to survive our Oline has to play better and give TB a chance,  with all the speed we have at wr and vereen, TB has a chance but he needs time and has to be at his best. 

     
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    Seems like what I saw and mentioned. Biggest issue going forward is  pass rush. THose #s by campbell make me sick in the stomach.

    I like Silva too and noticed the upgrade in our run D. Maybe he can force a double team and let someone else make plays.

     
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    I really like Silva, he impressed me. Hope he can keep it up.

     
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    Translation:  Protect Brady and he'll pick apart the defense.  OL has to step up if we want to have any chance of success in the playoffs.  He was put under pressure way too many times on Sunday.

    Also, as others have noted, Siliga played pretty well.  It was refreshing to see a DL not get thrown around or thrown backward 3 yards after every snap.  Hopefully he doesn't wear down by the time playoffs come around because we will need some consistency in run stopping.

     
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    In response to HeygangLH's comment:

    So basically if Brady can stand still and not get pressured he will have a better QB rating? Is that right?

    Of course it is. All QB's in the League would have a better rating if they can just stand there.Brady's problem is he just hates to get hit. Pressure him and Old "happy Feet Brady" shows up and the next thing you know he's throwing INT's in the endzone to end the game.

    The days of the dropback QB are coming to an end.The Wilsons and the RG3's of the world are the new generation. Out w the old and in w the new!

     I never watch the pats unless they are playing the Jets or they are the only game on. Is Brady still doing that emasculating pounding the turf anytime a defender just brushes up against him while screaming at the ref looking for a flag?

    I hope not.

     



    WOW!!  A lucid statement!!!  And.. it was followed by another..  name a QB who loves to get hit?  Lastly, read what Tuck said about Brady..  not what a "couch potato fan" like yourself says.

     
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    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    Like I said, the elephant in the room is the O-line. The D is doing okay considering the injuries. No worse than in recent years when they didn't have such injuries.



    If only Luck or Manning had the Oline Brady's played behind all these years.  Boy would things be better.

     
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    < In the end it was a dubious defensive pass interference call which was perhaps the game’s single most defining play, which for several reasons I think we can all agree is a shame.>

    rkarp, I know you're quoting so my comments aren't directed to you. I completely disagree with the bolded phrases in this quote.  There was nothing dubiious about the PI call.  The only thing dubious about it was where the official said that it occurred.  And I most certainly do not agree that it was a 'shame' in any way, shape or form that this call was a defining moment in the game.  Penalties are part of the game and often define the outcome (see NYJ and Carolina).  Let 'em eat cake!

    Otherwise a good read and quite accurate.

     

     
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    In response to UD6's comment:

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    Like I said, the elephant in the room is the O-line. The D is doing okay considering the injuries. No worse than in recent years when they didn't have such injuries.



    If only Luck or Manning had the Oline Brady's played behind all these years.  Boy would things be better.




    I can agree Luck hasnt played behind the best line but Manning??  Cmon man. Manning has been the best protected QB BY FAR in the last 15 years save for maybe his rookie year when he got killed but that was more to do with him being a rook and adjusting to pro game. You will get no sympathy here. Even when Manning DOES take the rare sack, he doesnt even get hit. They are usually coverage sacks that allow him time to curl up on the ground in a fetal position like a little baby.

     
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    I can agree Luck hasnt played behind the best line but Manning??  Cmon man. Manning has been the best protected QB BY FAR in the last 15 years save for maybe his rookie year when he got killed but that was more to do with him being a rook and adjusting to pro game. You will get no sympathy here. Even when Manning DOES take the rare sack, he doesnt even get hit. They are usually coverage sacks that allow him time to curl up on the ground in a fetal position like a little baby.



    Haven't you  heard?  When Brady doesn't get sacked it is because of his great protection.  When Manning doesn't get sacked it's because of his quick release.  His OL actually sucks.  LMFAO!

     
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    In response to agcsbill's comment:

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    Like I said, the elephant in the room is the O-line. The D is doing okay considering the injuries. No worse than in recent years when they didn't have such injuries.



    Explains why Brady just can't make those progression reads.  He may release the ball quickly, but, his pocket collapses so quickly, he is pressured.  Some of those sacks happened so fast they looked like they happened immediately, too!




    True. It's not like these have been coverage sacks. Guys are just blowing in within a couple of seconds.

     
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    In response to MeadowlandMike's comment:

    In response to DeadAhead's comment:

    I stopped reading when it said Talib was overmatched in the encounter. Talib, whether with help or not, shut down Gordon in the first half and most of the second. Gordon only had that one catch and run for the TD.

    This is a classic case of them looking at a statline and clearly not watching the game.

    Take away the one 80 yard catch and run and Gordon did nothing.  Bess and Little also did nothing.



    So, you want 60 minutes of consistent play from your QB, but 30 minutes is fine from your best and highest paid CB?  I'm shocked at your complete lack of consistency.




    This is what you do consistently well here; bludgeoning the idiot Rusty. His stupidity apparently provides you with clarity. Stick to that, because when you don't, your bias clouds your vision.

     
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    In response to DeadAhead's comment:

    I stopped reading when it said Talib was overmatched in the encounter. Talib, whether with help or not, shut down Gordon in the first half and most of the second. Gordon only had that one catch and run for the TD.

    This is a classic case of them looking at a statline and clearly not watching the game.

    Take away the one 80 yard catch and run and Gordon did nothing.  Bess and Little also did nothing.




    why should we take it away though? YOu cant pick and choose what stats to ignore buddy. You have YET to give anyone on offense a pass and they are the ones that started slow with a lot of new skill players. The D was touted as returning 10 starters. I agree that Talib did a good job considering the games he had before now with over 200 yards recieving but the fact is , the secondary gave up an 80 yard score. Why are we taking it away? Why did they need Bess and Little to do anything when the combo  of cameron/jordan produced 16 completions on 17 targets. Read that again. 16 completions on 17 targets. Cameron was 7-7. So yes, Talib played well for the most part but the secondary never did anything to slow down Cameron and Gordon made the big play he is supposed to. That was unfortunately on BB/Patricia for selling out to the run and getting burned by an agressive N.Turner

     
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    In response to UD6's comment:

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

    Like I said, the elephant in the room is the O-line. The D is doing okay considering the injuries. No worse than in recent years when they didn't have such injuries.



    If only Luck or Manning had the Oline Brady's played behind all these years.  Boy would things be better.



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