Re: Someone Makes A Case
posted at 12/31/2013 6:06 PM EST
In response to pcmIV's comment:
In response to pezz4pats' comment:
Still think they are a 9-7 team and if not for Brady's (5) last minute comebacks they would be 7/9.
I also think they were VERY fortunate that the Steelers, Ravens and Texans, (all last years PO teams) and to some degree Saints, sucked this year. Very Fortunate.
Can you deny that or do you reside in La La land?
It is true that the Patriots have played in their fair share of close games. By my count they have played in 11 games decided by a TD or less winning 7 of them. Now I wouldn't classify winning 7 out of 11 games incredibly lucky, but let's examine a few of them because I think they illustrate something important.
In the Falcons, Texans and first Jets game I saw a defense get a game sealing stop (you know the thing you always complain about the defense being unable to do).
In the Browns game I saw that "27th ranked STs" (no idea what that means) execute a perfect onside kick to get the ball back to Brady to work his magic.
In the Saints game I saw the defense get the ball back to the offense multiple times in the waning moments of the game.
In the first Bills game I saw the defense only give up 14 points and ZERO in the 4th quarter.
In the Broncos game I saw the defense hold Manning in check in the 2nd half, force some critical turnovers and keep Manning out of the end zone multiple times in OT which allowed that "27 ranked STs" to make a big play to seal the game.
The point here is that while Brady and the offense deserve a ton of credit for a lot of the close wins, those other units that you constantly complain about helped win those games as well. Oh and just for fun I looked up the Patriots DPR (you know that stat you keep whining about the 2011 team about). It was 9th in the NFL this year. Isn't that the one stat you judge a defense by according to you?
If you are going to stand here and say that the Patriots were lucky in a lot of their close wins, how about being unlucky in their close losses? Carolina and Jets 2 both had 2 of the most controversial and essentially game deciding calls/non-calls in the NFL this season. If a monsoon doesn't start at the end of the Bengals game maybe we tie it up. If Gronk's knee doesn't get blown up maybe we punch it in against Miami.
The point here is you can't just say "well if everything had gone wrong in the Patriots' close wins they would have a bad record" and present that as analysis. It is meaningless. Maybe this Belichick guy isn't the clueless buffoon you make him out to be when it comes to assembling our team.
I'm not going to dispute every game with you, that's futile, although I think the first 3 games were won by the defense.
Truthfully, I don't feel that they couldn't have been won by the Browns or the Cowboys defense either. Rookie first game, rookie second game, DOA Josh freeman. Woopie!
The bigger issue was the blown up Offense, which is what my problem was to begin with.
No QB starts with 3 rookies and a converted QB as their starters. So, the D basically HAD to win those games, as weak as they were. Again, not a great accomplishment, considering the foes, or lack of them.
The preseason was horrendous. The previous preseasons were horrendous. Fa was a joke, although not a funny one. When 1/3rd of your team starters are rookies and UDFA's, that is not a good thing. It's a problem.
Finally after Brady got his receivers going, they started winning and scoring. This wasn't until week 6. The comeback wins to that point were miraculous. The comeback wins after that point were miraculous
When the D started playing good O's they faltered, giving up 28-30 points a game.
They've improved in passer rating because everyone and their mother was running on their very poor run D. The result is STILL an extremely poor 3rd down D.
They Still can't get off the field. They are still having 7, 8, 9 possession games as a result.
They as stated, were very fortunate last year play-off teams sucked.
Yes, they are still winning. They are a resilient team. They are a well coached and QB'd team. They have been very fortunate that things have gone their way, in most cases.
I just don't think they are a particularly talented team and haven't from the beginning.
That hasn't changed. I'm just calling it as I see it. Sorry, no excuses and no sugar coating. They are my team and I love them but they are like your dumb kid. Sometimes you have to admit they are not going to be class president, despite your best wishes.
I make my living by seeing things as they are. If that offends you or any one else, sorry but I make no apologies. It is what it is.
Now, we get to see how far resilience and good coaching and a HoF QB takes us.
I just wish we had the talent to match that. Then, there would be no doubt and no 9/7 prediction. Here's hoping for over achievers.