Sorry to pats fans

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    I always feel the same when I see a young man who is talented and now has more money then I will ever make throw it away because they were unable to get away from their past, I feel sorry but on the other side feel they had a chance and blew it. I don't care what team they were on it is a sad story. UD6 we will get back to bashing you tomorrow. :)

    One shot one kill! The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other guy die for his.

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    The "Patriot Way" was mostly a sportswriter and fan myth.  There was no "way."  IMO, the "way" was to get a bunch of lunch-pail guys to function as a team, and for about a 5-6 year period, the Pats executed that "way" better than most teams.  The fact that, on occasion, we have a creepola on our team is no different than what alot of other teams face - players getting in trouble with the law - from feloneous acts to misdomeaners.  The bottom line is that in every group, there are some bad people.  The most successful years (including non-SB winning years) happened because regardless of how talented or un-talented our individual players were, they bought the game-plans and executed them more often than not.  To reach inside an individual player's inner thoughts, moral failings, plan old bad-guy doings has little to do with achievement on the field.  AH was AH - a talented football player, but a man who, for whatever reason, elected to follow the path he followed - and in this case, much to his detriment.  At this point, I could care two figs about AH - I like others feel sympathy for the real victim and his family.  He very well may have been a "bad guy" also, but no one deserves an execution like that unless he forces himself sexually on or kills someone in a non-self-defense way.

    The Pats will carry on, the fans will carry on, the Pats will do what they'll do.  Meanwhile families have been destroyed, a person who's atheletic achievements and potential are now meaningless, and most importantly, the family of a young man gunned down in his prime are left with nothing but mourning their dead.  For anyone to see this issue as an indictment of the supposed "Patriot Way" illustrates the worst in fandom because it's neither an indictment or a supportive argument for a "way."  It's yet another of too many sad real-life stories where grown people who value certain ideals do life-altering things to their fellow humans.  Neither pro nor anti-Pats people wins; society doesn't win, and our culture doesn't win.  And that's the saddest thing of all.

     
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    You're making a lot more out of it than was EVER the case.

    Simply put: Kraft said don't bring thugs to the team. BB wanted a "team" philosophy. That's it. That's the "Patriots Way". Nothing more.

    Unless you have proof that the team knew AH was in fact a thug when they drafted him, or subsequent to his arrest then you are FOS, as usual, with your accusations. They certainly booted him quickly once he was arrested.

    The "Patriot Way" is alive and well.



    Personnel sources from multiple NFL teams tell SI that they had off-field concerns about Hernandez. In particular, the questions pertained to alleged gang activity of some of Hernandez's associates in his native Bristol, Conn. A law enforcement official familiar with Hernandez reiterated concerns about his circle of influence.

    Combined, the marijuana use and gang concerns worried some NFL teams immensely.

    "There were a lot of teams that had him off the board," said an NFL personnel executive.

    Click here for the article.

     

     
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    You're making a lot more out of it than was EVER the case.

    Simply put: Kraft said don't bring thugs to the team. BB wanted a "team" philosophy. That's it. That's the "Patriots Way". Nothing more.

    Unless you have proof that the team knew AH was in fact a thug when they drafted him, or subsequent to his arrest then you are FOS, as usual, with your accusations. They certainly booted him quickly once he was arrested.

    The "Patriot Way" is alive and well.

     



     

    Personnel sources from multiple NFL teams tell SI that they had off-field concerns about Hernandez. In particular, the questions pertained to alleged gang activity of some of Hernandez's associates in his native Bristol, Conn. A law enforcement official familiar with Hernandez reiterated concerns about his circle of influence.

    Combined, the marijuana use and gang concerns worried some NFL teams immensely.

    "There were a lot of teams that had him off the board," said an NFL personnel executive.

    Click here for the article.

     




    must be tough for you NAS. you go from the honor and dignity of hockey players to this. the NFL was great once,like in the 1970's.

     
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    I know that I occassionally play devil's advocate, and I may have some "feelings", especially after this incident, about the "patriot way".

    But as fans - you didn't deserve this.  The team, frankly, didn't deserve this.  Regardless of Belichick's penchant for seeking "value" in talented players with less than stellar character, he didn't deserve this.  Bob Kraft didn't deserve this. 

    I am not looking to gain any different treatment of y'all from these comments.  Treat me no differently.  I just wanted you to know that from an outsider, looking in, this is some bs that you didn't deserve. 



    Ok great now please take your comments and go to a Colts site. I mean really your a Colts fan but your always on a Pats forum that is something Pats fans also don't deserve.    

     
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    I know that I occassionally play devil's advocate, and I may have some "feelings", especially after this incident, about the "patriot way".

    But as fans - you didn't deserve this.  The team, frankly, didn't deserve this.  Regardless of Belichick's penchant for seeking "value" in talented players with less than stellar character, he didn't deserve this.  Bob Kraft didn't deserve this. 

    I am not looking to gain any different treatment of y'all from these comments.  Treat me no differently.  I just wanted you to know that from an outsider, looking in, this is some bs that you didn't deserve. 

     




    why are you sorry?  its called karma.  for all the isht these guys slung at "gomer" for not delivering in the playoffs and to see Tommy lose his touch in recent playoffs is pure karmic gold.  add to the fact that these fans whine about Ray Lewis and now they have their own scmbag murderer that they had in their lockerroom for 4 years.  What comes around goes around.  Patriot way may are...

     



    Amazing, two pathetic posts from two pathetic trolls.

     
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    You're making a lot more out of it than was EVER the case.

    Simply put: Kraft said don't bring thugs to the team. BB wanted a "team" philosophy. That's it. That's the "Patriots Way". Nothing more.

    Unless you have proof that the team knew AH was in fact a thug when they drafted him, or subsequent to his arrest then you are FOS, as usual, with your accusations. They certainly booted him quickly once he was arrested.

    The "Patriot Way" is alive and well.

     

     



     

     

    Personnel sources from multiple NFL teams tell SI that they had off-field concerns about Hernandez. In particular, the questions pertained to alleged gang activity of some of Hernandez's associates in his native Bristol, Conn. A law enforcement official familiar with Hernandez reiterated concerns about his circle of influence.

    Combined, the marijuana use and gang concerns worried some NFL teams immensely.

    "There were a lot of teams that had him off the board," said an NFL personnel executive.

    Click here for the article.

     

     



    His having associated with persons that were apt to be thugs doesn't make him a thug.

     

    We all know of BB's connection to Florida. It is easy enough to believe he was assured by trusted persons there that AH was distancing himself from those connections.

    In any case this is not proof that the the "no thugs" aspect of  the "Patriot Way" was abandoned by Kraft or BB. Rather, the teams decisive action at loss in addressing the situation once confirmation of his involvement was displayed shows the standards they ascribed to are in fact still in place.

     




    "the marijuana use and gang concerns worried some NFL teams immensely."

     

     
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    Hernandez was more appropriate rather than the Eden snake. Though they are symonomous by definition.

     
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    Yes Queenie.  Herny's double murder last summer is clean as a whistle. looked the other way in order to justify drafting a known thug, doesn't somehow justify giving him a huge extension long before his rookie contract was up.  Hillarious! 



    You sound as if you have some sort of proof that everyone knew he was a CONFIRMED THUG. Bottom line is that nobody knew jack $h1t, besides some (possible) rumors that he hangs around a bad crowd, and smoked some dope. Show me ONE single report on AH CONFIRMING he was a thug. It doesn't exist. Enjoy your Jets this year genius....

     
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    You're making a lot more out of it than was EVER the case.

    Simply put: Kraft said don't bring thugs to the team. BB wanted a "team" philosophy. That's it. That's the "Patriots Way". Nothing more.

    Unless you have proof that the team knew AH was in fact a thug when they drafted him, or subsequent to his arrest then you are FOS, as usual, with your accusations. They certainly booted him quickly once he was arrested.

    The "Patriot Way" is alive and well.

     

     

     

     



     

     

     

     

    Personnel sources from multiple NFL teams tell SI that they had off-field concerns about Hernandez. In particular, the questions pertained to alleged gang activity of some of Hernandez's associates in his native Bristol, Conn. A law enforcement official familiar with Hernandez reiterated concerns about his circle of influence.

    Combined, the marijuana use and gang concerns worried some NFL teams immensely.

    "There were a lot of teams that had him off the board," said an NFL personnel executive.

    Click here for the article.

     

     

     

     



    His having associated with persons that were apt to be thugs doesn't make him a thug.

     

     

     

    We all know of BB's connection to Florida. It is easy enough to believe he was assured by trusted persons there that AH was distancing himself from those connections.

    In any case this is not proof that the the "no thugs" aspect of  the "Patriot Way" was abandoned by Kraft or BB. Rather, the teams decisive action at loss in addressing the situation once confirmation of his involvement was displayed shows the standards they ascribed to are in fact still in place.

     

     

     




    "the marijuana use and gang concerns worried some NFL teams immensely."

     

     

     

     




    That's interesting. What does it have to do with the "Patriot Way"?

     



    That's actually not the discussion you and I are having. 

    You say, "Unless you have proof that the team knew AH was in fact a thug when they drafted him."


    I provided info that shows that many teams were put off by his gang connections.

    You ask what that has to do with the "Patriot Way".

     

    People with gang connections aren't good people.  Ever.  The Pats looked past this and drafted the player anyway.

    And now they have their logo attached to an alleged murderer.

     

     
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    You sound as if you have some sort of proof that everyone knew he was a CONFIRMED THUG. Bottom line is that nobody knew jack $h1t, besides some (possible) rumors that he hangs around a bad crowd, and smoked some dope. Show me ONE single report on AH CONFIRMING he was a thug. It doesn't exist. Enjoy your Jets this year genius....



    What is a "confirmed thug"?

    The guy had drug problems.  The guy was linked to gangs and bad people.

     
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