Specific details in the Roethlisberger sexual assualt case

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    I can't get past the whole year later think.  If your a victim of a crime you report it immediately or in a timely manner (within a week or two).

    That's just my opinion.

     
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    How is it this woman suddenly has the b***s to go after Big Ben now, when back when this supposedly happened she'd have much more credibility?  She found "religion" all of a sudden?  More recent evidence, more folks to come forward to support her at that time, no criminal complaint, only a lawsuit for $$$$.  At first blush, a money grab.  A classic she said - he said and where will the evidence be to support her claim? 
     
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    As stated before, in civil court, the standard of proof is "more likely than not". If 51 % of her statement is true and verifiable, he's toast.  The more info that comes out, the worse it looks.  The pricetag of $390,000 (40% to her attorney for his contingency fee to take the case, unless he waived it), is going to sway the public opinion.  If everybody's take is that she's a "gold digger", the request for a mere 390K from the Super Bowl Championship teams QB blows that theory out of the water. 
     
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    This case gets even more bizarre. If this is true, then Big Ben might have a "fatal attraction" type going after him:

    Bizarre Twist in Roethlisberger Assault Case

    Ben RoethlisbergerSources connected to the Ben Roethlisberger sexual assault case claim the psychiatric care the accuser says she's under has nothing to do with Ben .... it has to do with a relationship she had with a man who never existed.

    Andrea McNulty has sued Roethlisberger, the Pittsburgh Steelers Super Bowl champ, claiming he sexually assaulted her in July 2008. Sources tell us Roethlisberger and McNulty had a sexual liaison at the time but Ben insists it was purely consensual. We're told the two knew each other because Ben had stayed at Harrah's in Lake Tahoeover the last several years for golf tournaments -- and she worked at the hotel.

    Sources connected with the case tell us a former co-worker of McNulty's at Harrah's came forward with this incredible story -- that around the time McNulty hooked up with Roethlisberger, she was allegedly involved with a married man. The man's wife, we're told, created an email account, posing as a U.S. soldier in Iraq. The wife began corresponding with McNulty to gain information. We're told the former co-worker has said McNulty fell in love with the fictitious soldier and began telling people she was engaged to him. When the wife stopped the correspondence, McNulty then began telling people the soldier was killed in action.

    We're told McNulty told at least one co-worker she began seeing a psychiatrist because of the phantom soldier.

    We tried repeatedly getting in touch with McNulty. So far we have been unable to reach her.

     
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    I said in the beginning that if she could place herself in his presence, then he is DONE.  I said that she'd need photographic evidence and phone records. If she doesn't have them, perhaps that's why her co-workers are also named in the suit.  How hard would it be to pay some concierge to assist you is getting the tape and phone records?  Not too difficult.  Erase the evidence and your in the clear.  He could have said something like this " Man, paparrazzi has been all over me and I had a girl in my room that wasn't my fiance' , if this sh*t ends up on youtube, I'm screwed".  A few Benjamins and Steeler gear later, Ben accomplishes his goal.
     
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    When you only try to get money out of the accused, and show no apparent interest in getting the person locked up or otherwise punished in the criminal justice system, you cast a shadow of doubt upon yourself.  It doesn't mean you are a liar, but it casts doubt on your claims IMO.

    That was the first thing to hit me, too. There is no mention of her even speaking with the police, whether late or no. The way she describes it is nothing short of rape, and I'd think she would want the guy locked up at the very least...she could go after his money later.

    DJ I think I would sh*t my pants if Mighty was on my jury lol I would be on trial for punching  guy in the face and next thing I know it I am being sent away for life as a murderer because as yu know according to Mighty we are all a bunch of murderers for not over throwing the goverment during this past war.

    He'd be voting for capital punishment for a conviction on shoplifting! Luckily most people with that type of demeanor get screened out in the selection process. But I could sure see him "hanging" a jury!

    However I do not agree about Ben, if you are innocent you want to clair your name. If your not then you pay the cash to keep her quiet. You dont pay the dime if you didnt do the crime.

    While I'd agree if it were a criminal case, in a civil action sometimes it is simply cheaper to pay. Even if he wins the case the publicity will hurt him. And maybe Ben himself will think the same, but his lawyers council him differently. Many times people or companies will pay simply because it is more expedient to do so than to be involved in a long drawn out court case. Sometimes you have to cut your losses and move on. This type of decision is a lot more legal manouvering than simply Ben's pride.

    How is it this woman suddenly has the b***s to go after Big Ben now, when back when this supposedly happened she'd have much more credibility?  She found "religion" all of a sudden?  More recent evidence, more folks to come forward to support her at that time, no criminal complaint, only a lawsuit for $$$$.  At first blush, a money grab.  A classic she said - he said and where will the evidence be to support her claim?

    This is the most puzzling thing of all. I find it hard to believe that it took her an entire year to get the "courage" to come forward...and then only in a civil action for such a major violation. Surely the statute of limitations has not run out as of yet for a criminal complaint.

    As stated before, in civil court, the standard of proof is "more likely than not". If 51 % of her statement is true and verifiable, he's toast.  The more info that comes out, the worse it looks.  The pricetag of $390,000 (40% to her attorney for his contingency fee to take the case, unless he waived it), is going to sway the public opinion.  If everybody's take is that she's a "gold digger", the request for a mere 390K from the Super Bowl Championship teams QB blows that theory out of the water. 

    I'm sure Ben's attorneys will investigate any significance of the amount asked for. And let's not forget she is also suing the casino, which I'm assuming has a lot more financial resources than Ben does. Maybe she feels (or her lawyer does) that asking for millions would hurt her credibility. Half a million bucks (if she receives multiple settlements that's a "guestimate") is a lot of money to most regular working people. And the preponderance of evidence needed to substantiate a civil case is indeed much lower than what is needed for a criminal conviction. A sympathetic jury may well award her the victory with no more than the barest circumstantial evidence. IMO the civil court system is quite flawed in this aspect.
     
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    I am not surprised this happened. From a source I believe, a Pat's fan who lives in Pittsburgh, I was told BR parties like an insane drunk and treats women like garbage.

    And the money involved can run into many millions with punitive damages.
     
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    Here is a quote from BR's lawyer: Ben has never sexually assaulted anyone; especially Andrea McNulty.  Now, how does he know that Ben especially did not target Ms. McNulty? Was she on one of Ben's "I will never harm anyone, but I ESPECIALLY won't harm these people" lists that he wrote perhaps while daydreaming during physical therapy after his accident? I just like how lawyers string words together... sue me. MVP - I agree with you on your reputation being all you have. Innocent people don't pay people off. They fight for their name. The weird thing about this case is the time involved. If there was an investigation last year, it surely would have made the papers by this time. Which leads me to think there was no investigation. Which means she never reported it until possibly recently and was told there would be no investigation based on the circumstances. In that case, her only recourse would be the civil path. It would be hard to guess at this point until more information comes out about the timeline and her actions after the alleged incident.
    Posted by EnochRoot

     
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    This whole thing stinks to the high heavens. You can bet something happened, but what? I feel certain this young lady has probably embellished her story somewhat, and we already know Big Ben is not the model citizen, as has been proven in the past. More strange to me is why it is in civil court, why hasn't she filed a criminal charge? That would lead me to believe she's more interested in money than justice. I just don't know? I will say this, after 60 years of living, meeting all sorts of people, all over the country, and knowing different types of character, I would not put this past Big Ben at all.
     
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    city -  I have the same question about the civil and not also the criminal suit. 

    All I can think is that she is really only interested in money.  If she files a criminal complaint and loses the case, I would think her ability to collect in the civil case would become more difficult.  So, why not just bypass the criminal system and go directly for the money.  

    I will say this, however, a civil suit in a matter like this without also a criminal suit would seem to have a difficult time passing the smell test.  
     
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    More detailed information from SI

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/07/22/roethlisberger.allegations.ap/index.html

    and from USA today " she told Harrah's security chief, Guy Hyder, she was told casino president John Koster was close friends with Roethlisberger, and that"most girls would feel lucky to get to have sex with someone like Ben Roethlisberger"

    me not being one of them!
     
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    To back up what seems to be a consensus opinion that her "civil suit only" approach kind of smells, you can look at a couple of other high profile rape cases:

    1. Mike Tyson.  The victim reported the crime to police first.  Mike was subsequently convicted and sentenced to prison.  The victim later files a civil suit that was settled.

    2. Kobe Bryant.  The victim reported the crime to police first.  Kobe was arrested and charged in the criminal justice system.  A civil suit was filed and settled before trial.  

    The case against Ben "might" be true, but it smells fishy.  The real story could very well be "about a year later, a young woman was falling behind on her bills..."
     
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    More detailed information from SI http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/07/22/roethlisberger.allegations.ap/index.html and from USA today " she told Harrah's security chief, Guy Hyder, she was told casino president John Koster was close friends with Roethlisberger, and that"most girls would feel lucky to get to have sex with someone like Ben Roethlisberger" me not being one of them!
    Posted by NEGAME


    At that point she needed to have a lawyer (or some reputable witness) speak with her to this Koster guy...and see if he repeated the same nonsense. Then she would have had a witness. That way she could have at that time involved the police (if Roethlisburger did indeed rape her he should be thrown in jail where they won't flag "Bubba" for "roughing the QB"!), and had recourse should she lose her job over it. Waiting a year to say anything is going to hurt her case, and Ben's attorney is going to be all over that fact. Unfortunately after such a long time, the true facts may never be totally revealed. Only she and Ben will truly know exactly what went down that night. He was foolish in the first place to leave himself open for such an accusition. In Nevada he could have gone to a legal whorehouse, and in the end it would have cost him far less money and time!!!
     
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    Well thats fine Bub we dont need to agree 100% of the time. I think if you want to call yourself a man you need to make sure your name stays clean. You only take one thing to the grave with you and its your name so dont mess with it. Thats something i live by and I am sorry but if you pay the girl off to keep her mouth shut you are doing so because you are guilty of said crime. You dont pay the dime if you didnt do the crime. So if Ben pays her off then in my eyes he is a r apist. On another note, if he goes to court and loses does that mean the court will bring charges against him for r ape? or does he just pay the money and be done with? It seems like if the court rules in her favor then the court is saying he did in fact commit r ape and if thats the case what would happen? would he get brought up on charges?
    Posted by MVPkilla


    You cannot possibly be this stupid.
     
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    city -  I have the same question about the civil and not also the criminal suit.  All I can think is that she is really only interested in money.  If she files a criminal complaint and loses the case, I would think her ability to collect in the civil case would become more difficult.  So, why not just bypass the criminal system and go directly for the money.   I will say this, however, a civil suit in a matter like this without also a criminal suit would seem to have a difficult time passing the smell test.  
    Posted by underdogg


    Because as with the oj civil case proved you don't even need to be found quilty to win a civil lawsuite.  The question I would liked answered would be how could she go a year without telling anyone she was raped.  She doesn't have to go to the police.  how about a family member, friend, coworker etc.  She didn't say anything to anyone. She didn't mention anything about being raped even if she kept the name of the person a secret.  The fact that she has a mental condition and there are reports out there of multiple stories she's made up makes this suite look like total bs.

    As far as paying off and not clearing your name.  How is Ben suppose to do this when most of the time his career would get in the way of being able to go to court and fight this.  Thats why most athlete/entertainers just payoff the accuser whether its true or false.
     
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    http://www.slapyo.com/wp-content/steelersfans.jpg
     
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    OOLLYY:  That picture is just wrong!  I'm fairly certain that showing such pictures to terror detainees is now illegal.  
     
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    Here is picture proof from the hotel room of "Beg" Ben....

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_l3drt5pB49Q/STLk9fz09iI/AAAAAAAADqY/yNIm0Z8LMgI/s400/golddust.jpg
     
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    city -  I have the same question about the civil and not also the criminal suit.  All I can think is that she is really only interested in money.  If she files a criminal complaint and loses the case, I would think her ability to collect in the civil case would become more difficult.  So, why not just bypass the criminal system and go directly for the money.   I will say this, however, a civil suit in a matter like this without also a criminal suit would seem to have a difficult time passing the smell test.  
    Posted by underdogg

    The standard of proof in a criminal case is higher ( the defendant is "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt") than in a civil case( the defendant is liable to the plaintiff "by a preponderance of the evidence" or more likely than not). 

    If Ben was convicted in a criminal case, then the fact of the rape essentially would be established, including for the purposes of a civil suit.   In other words, if he was convicted in a criminal case, the civil case should be a lead pipe cinch.  In this sense, a civil suit without a criminal conviction would be more difficult for the alleged victim here.  However, this doesn't mean that the accuser couldn't sue Ben in a civil suit and win if he was acquitted in a criminal case (a la the plaintiffs in the OJ civil suit).  If the state couldn't prove him guilty "beyond a reasonable doubt" in a criminal matter, this doesn't mean that a plaintiff can't convince a jury in a civil case that he "more likely than not" or probably raped her.  

    I've been involved (as a lawyer) in a few sexual assault cases.  As a rule, they are very ugly. I'd be reluctant to jump to any conclusions either way here.

     
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    Somehow,... it's not hard to imagine that Mr. Cheeseburger could end up in a situation like he is in,.....

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ARTxiBaLfnc/Rt-KVoXUI2I/AAAAAAAAAtI/e3aYAm5NvMU/s400/bigben.jpg

    http://www.fantasyleaguefriends.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/bigben.jpg

    http://media.photobucket.com/image/ben%20roethlisberger/bigitch_2006/ben_roethlisberger_drunk.jpg


    http://drunkathlete.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/ben-roethlisberger-3-drunk-pictures.jpg


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    http://sportscracklepop.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/ben-300x300.jpg


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    You people keep acting like she is teh only women in history to wait a logn time before speaking out. Maybe when it comes to celebs you are right but in normal r ape cases this kind of thing happens all the time. A girl gets r aped and does not tell anyone for a while and then she cant live with it anymore and she does something about it. I agree its fishy but its not unheard of. Everyone cop friend i have told me last night that women do this kind of thing all the time. Some people just dont know how to deal with this kind of trama.

    Not to mention she is clearly claiming that the Casino tried to cover it up and might have even made it clear to her that if she went public with this she would lose her job. And I dont know about you but ui can 100% see some sleezebag casino owner speaking the words " and you will never work in this town again" and that would be about enough to make her keep her mouth shut. Lets look at this

    She know Ben is a celeb and that if she accuses him most Americans are just going to call her a w hore or a gold digger. Could have played a factor

    Some women just dont know how to deal with this kind of trama so its possible she just locked it away till seh couldnt deal with it anymore.

    She could have lost her job if she went to the police

    We knwo for a fact that teh Casino owner told her "most women would be honored to have sex with ben" soa girl tells her boss that a client r aped her and he says you should feel honored to have had sex with this man? And she is teh bad guy? I dont think so

    She is claiming they tried to cover it up which could be another reason it took so long for her to go public with this.


    You have to put it all out in front of you before you judge. I mean if your kid or sister or whom ever got r aped and then was todl she should feel honored for having had sex with so and so celeberty and maybe even told if she tells anyon her "story" that maybe she gets fired and maybe she never works in thsi town again and then this sister or mother or whatever keeps her mouth shut and suffers silently for a year before finaly tellign someone are you tellign me you would understand at all? I mean I get it I would have some doubts too but i mean that sounds pretty understandable. If she can prove that the Casino tried to shut her up or cover this up then i think that is a pretty good excuse for why it took her so long to come forward. And from the details I have read it deffently sounds like there was a cover up.
     
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    Ok, Ooooly, after lookin at those pics, i can definately see this as a drunken sexcapade where sex was consented, and then rescinded the next morning after wakin up to that ugly MUG!!!...LMAO
    Posted by STILLBALLIN


    In case you all do any traveling north of the border.  What you just described is considered RAPE in Canada.  Many have regrets in the morning daylight.
     
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