Spikes Bigger Impact Than Mayo?

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    I'd like to see more Patrick Willis and less Mr. Irrelevant.

     



    If only Mayo could play like the best LB in the NFL more often.  The standard you are holding him to is ridiculous.  Sure it would be nice if he could play like Patrick Willis, but by that standard every other LB in the league is a "bust".

     

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    Willis was pick 11 and Mayo was pick 10.  Silly of me to even compare the two.  So Willis is really good and Mayo isn't so I can't Compair the two?  That makes absolutely no sense.  

    We can compare Brady, Manning and Rogers all great QB's but it isn't fair to compare Mayo the Great to Patrick Willis?

    Read what you just wrote and wait for the epiphany to hit.  It hit me 2 years ago.  The rest of you will come around Eventually, that is if Mayo doesn't dramatically step it up this year.  Hopefully he does because we need it.  

     
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    ^^^^ Oh yeah, those things they don't know how to create in the playoffs.

     

     

     




    ^^^^Wouldn't matter much considering Brady's picks or bad decisions.

     

     

     

     

     




    Oh but they WOULD dumbkoff. Unless of course somebody was so dumb as a stump as to think a couple of turnovers gained by the D couldn't alter the result of a SB lost by a last minute D collapse.

     

     

    Rusty logic 101:  Offensive t/o's very very bad.  Defensive T/o's or lack of them don't matter.

    If that isn't the definition of hypocritical, agenda driven troll, I don't know what is.

     

     




     

     
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    Willis had 27 fewer tackles and 2.5 less sacks then mayo. And that's on a better D then ours. He also is out due to having hand surgery


    Now you got the easy part done telling me about it.

    Does that handshaped bruise on your back hurt?

     
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    I am amused that you consider 13th out of 96-138 LBs pedestrian, but besides the point. Most LBs get tackles from running plays, hence why Jacksonville has 2 LBs in the top 10, but the worst rushing defense in the NFL last season. Teams wanted to run the ball on Jacksonville, so their LBs got more chances to make tackles. Most of those LBs have more opportunities to make more tackles,  Mayo plays in a New England defense where teams gameplanning was to pass as much as possible.

     




    I'd like to see more Patrick Willis and less Mr. Irrelevant.

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    Mayo isn't Patrick Willis, he's not nearly as talented. That's not an insult to Mayo either, Willis has the potential to be an all-time great, Bruschi wasn't Patrick Willis either, but we won 3 SBs with him. 

    Mayo is a very good non-rushing LB, easily top 10 in the league. Would it be nice if Mayo was Patrick Willis? Sure would be, I'm sure BB wishes that too, but just because he's not it doesn't make him a bust. 

    You have a BMW, don't worry aabout the guy in the Lambo. We can't all have Lambo, if we did, Lambos wouldn't be special.

     
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    Oh, I see. Just not enough snaps to go around eh? But somehow Mayo got a lot more of those oh so hard to come by snaps.

     



    they're better suited for different situations, spikes is obviously better suited for stopping run; whereas BB thinks Mayo is a 3 down player.  Mayo, imo, is above average - but I don't think he has the same impact as far a things like forced fumbles - and hitting hard.  I think there are players who are afraid of getting hit by Spikes - far less so for Mayo.

     
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    Mayo's strength is his ability to shed blocks, hit the right hole, get to the point of attack, and then securely wrap up.  He's not an explosive hitter, but he does have 4 forced fumbles, which is quite good.  I think Belichick values him for his smarts and reliability--he's not going to be out of position very often and he's going to "do his job" consistently and dependably play after play.  That's why he's a team captain.  He's an example of the kind of player Bill Belichick absolutely loves. 

     

     
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    Mayo's strength is his ability to shed blocks, hit the right hole, get to the point of attack, and then securely wrap up.  He's not an explosive hitter, but he does have 4 forced fumbles, which is quite good.  I think Belichick values him for his smarts and reliability--he's not going to be out of position very often and he's going to "do his job" consistently and dependably play after play.  That's why he's a team captain.  He's an example of the kind of player Bill Belichick absolutely loves. 

     



    Precisely. I will take players who can do their job and a few playmakers any day.

     
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    Willis had 27 fewer tackles and 2.5 less sacks then mayo. And that's on a better D then ours. He also is out due to having hand surgery


    Now you got the easy part done telling me about it.

    Does that handshaped bruise on your back hurt?



    Thats because he plays alongside N.Bowman, a stud in his own right who has closed the gap with willis and makes just as many plays. If you want more info, Bowman was available when we drafted the Great Taylor Price. Bowman Should have been playing with Mayo, making him a better player. Having less numbers on a better overall defense actually is whats supposed to happen so not sure why you brought that up. Isnt it expected for Willis to do less now with A.Smith(21 sacks), Bowman, or # 55, the pass rushing specialist. Its nice to have your plays come from anywhere on a the defense, giving your star some help. Sorry, dont understand this argument.

     
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    Mayo's strength is his ability to shed blocks, hit the right hole, get to the point of attack, and then securely wrap up.  He's not an explosive hitter, but he does have 4 forced fumbles, which is quite good.  I think Belichick values him for his smarts and reliability--he's not going to be out of position very often and he's going to "do his job" consistently and dependably play after play.  That's why he's a team captain.  He's an example of the kind of player Bill Belichick absolutely loves. 



    Precisely. I will take players who can do their job and a few playmakers any day.

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    Agree with all of the above.

     
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    I think T-Cal is driving the anti-Mayo train but no one is getting on at the depot.  I don't know what you expect from the guy.  He is a solid, versatile LB and is the least of the problems on defense or the whole team.  With him, they have a fixture at LB, which is what first rounders are supposed to be.  Not all first rounders are perennial All-Pros or 1st ballot hall-of-famers.  In a draft re-do the year Mayo was drafted,  I am not sure there is anyone drafted after him that I would take over him. 

    What is the sound of one hand clapping?  It's the sound you don't hear when Mayo makes another play and T-Cal ignores it. 

     
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    Precisely. I will take players who can do their job and a few playmakers any day.

     



    maybe. However, I don't get the impression that opponents are afraid of this Patriot defense. The linebacker position tends to set the tone for the team. Mayo is quiet, maybe a locker room leader, never have seen him get into any other teammate's face to get them pumped up. Passive describes this defense in general; except for Spikes. Considering the overall performance of the defense for the past 2-4 years, maybe that's what's wrong. No intensity, no passion. 

     
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    Precisely. I will take players who can do their job and a few playmakers any day.

     

     



    maybe. However, I don't get the impression that opponents are afraid of this Patriot defense. The linebacker position tends to set the tone for the team. Mayo is quiet, maybe a locker room leader, never have seen him get into any other teammate's face to get them pumped up. Passive describes this defense in general; except for Spikes. Considering the overall performance of the defense for the past 2-4 years, maybe that's what's wrong. No intensity, no passion. 

     



    We need more Dogs as Deion likes to call them. Talib is one, Dennard looks to be another. You need a few foam at the mouth players like Spikes on your defense. I wish we could trade Mayo for Brian Cushing. Thats a tone setter, crazy old school LB that plays to the whistle and beyond. We had Rodney here doing that and its so overlooked. WR's looked for Rodney before they looked the ball in, and now guys just RUN FREE thru the secondary knowing that noone is there to take their heads off. I mean last year we had 2 CB's back there playing safety in Gregory and McCourty. Averaging 188 lbs. Dennard is a bigger CB than that...smh. Lets hope A.W makes the team and helps in that regard and maybe Hightower can take the gloves off this year.

     
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    I think T-Cal is driving the anti-Mayo train but no one is getting on at the depot.  I don't know what you expect from the guy.  He is a solid, versatile LB and is the least of the problems on defense or the whole team.  With him, they have a fixture at LB, which is what first rounders are supposed to be.  Not all first rounders are perennial All-Pros or 1st ballot hall-of-famers.  In a draft re-do the year Mayo was drafted,  I am not sure there is anyone drafted after him that I would take over him. 

    What is the sound of one hand clapping?  It's the sound you don't hear when Mayo makes another play and T-Cal ignores it. 



    About 1/2 the boards feels the same as I do about Mayo's play over the last couple of years.  Just because 6 "Defense can do no wronger's" happen to chime in on this thread makes a majority, not.

    Why would you think I want the guy to fail?  I'm not Rusty with his hatred for Brady.  I want Mayo to succeed.  In fact I hope he has the greatest year ever at the position.  I'll be the first to say That a Boy.  Four of my favorite players are 50, 52, 54 and 55.  Maybe this is why I judge Mayo hard.

     
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    I think T-Cal is driving the anti-Mayo train but no one is getting on at the depot.  I don't know what you expect from the guy.  He is a solid, versatile LB and is the least of the problems on defense or the whole team.  With him, they have a fixture at LB, which is what first rounders are supposed to be.  Not all first rounders are perennial All-Pros or 1st ballot hall-of-famers.  In a draft re-do the year Mayo was drafted,  I am not sure there is anyone drafted after him that I would take over him. 

    What is the sound of one hand clapping?  It's the sound you don't hear when Mayo makes another play and T-Cal ignores it. 

     



    About 1/2 the boards feels the same as I do about Mayo's play over the last couple of years.  Just because 6 "Defense can do no wronger's" happen to chime in on this thread makes a majority, not.

     

    Why would you think I want the guy to fail?  I'm not Rusty with his hatred for Brady.  I want Mayo to succeed.  In fact I hope he has the greatest year ever at the position.  I'll be the first to say That a Boy.  Four of my favorite players are 50, 52, 54 and 55.  Maybe this is why I judge Mayo hard.

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    tcal, I really don't care how many people think what about whom; for me, it's about what I see and conclude from what I see.  I don't agree with your assessment of Mayo but I do understand what you're saying and I agree that you've set the bar rather high.  I consider us fortunate as fans that we can have this kind of a debate about players on a winning team.

     
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    Willis was pick 11 and Mayo was pick 10.  Silly of me to even compare the two.  So Willis is really good and Mayo isn't so I can't Compair the two?  That makes absolutely no sense.  

     

    We can compare Brady, Manning and Rogers all great QB's but it isn't fair to compare Mayo the Great to Patrick Willis?

    Read what you just wrote and wait for the epiphany to hit.  It hit me 2 years ago.  The rest of you will come around Eventually, that is if Mayo doesn't dramatically step it up this year.  Hopefully he does because we need it.  



    What the heck are you talking about.  You can compare Mayo to Patrick Willis all you want.  He isn't as good.  That doesn't mean he is a "bust".  Patrick Willis is the best in the NFL at his position.  You don't have to be the best in the NFL at your position to not be a "bust".  Was Brian Urlacher a bust because he wasn't as good as Ray Lewis?  That is the kind of argument you are making.  It is crazy.

     
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    Thank God he can hit better than he can dance!!! THAT's AWESOME......HAHAHAHA!

     
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    Rusty logic 101:  Offensive t/o's very very bad.  Defensive T/o's or lack of them don't matter.

    If that isn't the definition of hypocritical, agenda driven troll, I don't know what is.

     

     



    As I say, Rusty has virtually no criticism whatsoever for anybody but Brady. How completely insane does a person have to be when they can blame nobody but the greatest player this team has ever had? Very insane.

     

     

     
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    Thank God he can hit better than he can dance!!! THAT's AWESOME......HAHAHAHA!


    lol...someone on the team has to lay the wood.

     
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    Spikes is your prototypical "Mike" or middle LB. He is big, strong, and thumps guys who run at him. Mayo is your All-Pro "Will" or weakside LB. He plays better in more space on the weakside and has the speed to be in on tackles to the offenses predominant run plays which are run to the middle and strong side much more than to the weak side due to less blockers, but also has the agility to shed the backs or the weakside 2-TE sets on the occasional run play to the weak, his side. As such, these guys are excellent at their positions and in essence trying to compare them to oneanother is like comparing a tackle to a center on the offensive side. It doesn't compare, apples to oranges, different required skillsets. I am exstatic to have Mayo, Spikes, and Hightower at "Sam" or strongside LB (or wherever they put him with his amazing versatility for his size. When you add in future STAR, cut from granite, Jamie Collins we absolutely have the strongest LB crew in the NFL. This will be an amazing D.......Finally, youth with size, incredible ability, and finally..experience as a unit pretty much spread throughout. I CAN"T WAIT!!!

     
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    Spikes is your prototypical "Mike" or middle LB. He is big, strong, and thumps guys who run at him. Mayo is your All-Pro "Will" or weakside LB. He plays better in more space on the weakside and has the speed to be in on tackles to the offenses predominant run plays which are run to the middle and strong side much more than to the weak side due to less blockers, but also has the agility to shed the backs or the weakside 2-TE sets on the occasional run play to the weak, his side. As such, these guys are excellent at their positions and in essence trying to compare them to oneanother is like comparing a tackle to a center on the offensive side. It doesn't compare, apples to oranges, different required skillsets. I am exstatic to have Mayo, Spikes, and Hightower at "Sam" or strongside LB (or wherever they put him with his amazing versatility for his size. When you add in future STAR, cut from granite, Jamie Collins we absolutely have the strongest LB crew in the NFL. This will be an amazing D.......Finally, youth with size, incredible ability, and finally..experience as a unit pretty much spread throughout. I CAN"T WAIT!!!



    good post. like the optimism

     
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    "■ LB Jerod Mayo had a great leaping pass breakup on a wheel route to RB Bryce Brown."

     

    That a boy. 

     
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    Spikes is your prototypical "Mike" or middle LB. He is big, strong, and thumps guys who run at him. Mayo is your All-Pro "Will" or weakside LB. He plays better in more space on the weakside and has the speed to be in on tackles to the offenses predominant run plays which are run to the middle and strong side much more than to the weak side due to less blockers, but also has the agility to shed the backs or the weakside 2-TE sets on the occasional run play to the weak, his side. As such, these guys are excellent at their positions and in essence trying to compare them to oneanother is like comparing a tackle to a center on the offensive side. It doesn't compare, apples to oranges, different required skillsets. I am exstatic to have Mayo, Spikes, and Hightower at "Sam" or strongside LB (or wherever they put him with his amazing versatility for his size. When you add in future STAR, cut from granite, Jamie Collins we absolutely have the strongest LB crew in the NFL. This will be an amazing D.......Finally, youth with size, incredible ability, and finally..experience as a unit pretty much spread throughout. I CAN"T WAIT!!!



    Good post, but the biggest addition for the linebackers will be the additions at DT and SS, if we can get good play in front of the linebackers the linebackers will be free to make plays, if Adrian Wilson can do the impossible job our linebackers have been tasked, stopping tightends.  

    This defense has been undermanned for a long time, all we've heard from the moaners is how bad they've been, but somehow our best players are supposed to have played as good as the best defenses around the league despite the fact they've been surrounded by lesser players and have been erasing mistakes.

    Moaners, whiners, entitled fans... hating on all of our best players, our team captain.  Jackazzes...

     
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    I think T-Cal is driving the anti-Mayo train but no one is getting on at the depot.  I don't know what you expect from the guy.  He is a solid, versatile LB and is the least of the problems on defense or the whole team.  With him, they have a fixture at LB, which is what first rounders are supposed to be.  Not all first rounders are perennial All-Pros or 1st ballot hall-of-famers.  In a draft re-do the year Mayo was drafted,  I am not sure there is anyone drafted after him that I would take over him. 

    What is the sound of one hand clapping?  It's the sound you don't hear when Mayo makes another play and T-Cal ignores it. 

     



    About 1/2 the boards feels the same as I do about Mayo's play over the last couple of years.  Just because 6 "Defense can do no wronger's" happen to chime in on this thread makes a majority, not.

     

    Why would you think I want the guy to fail?  I'm not Rusty with his hatred for Brady.  I want Mayo to succeed.  In fact I hope he has the greatest year ever at the position.  I'll be the first to say That a Boy.  Four of my favorite players are 50, 52, 54 and 55.  Maybe this is why I judge Mayo hard.

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    You have your opinion, and that's fine.  I have plenty of opinions and I'm sure people disagree with me. But I think your expectations for a very good player - Mayo - are a bit too high.  I don't think you want him or the team to fail, but I do think you've dug in on Mayo and won't relent because somehow you expect him to be THE best LB in the NFL and nothing else is good enough.  I think you are looking for the bad plays and not thinking about everything else good he does.  That's it.  

    Sorry to point you out, but I think you're clearly the Anti-Mayo leader in this place.   

     
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    Thank God he can hit better than he can dance!!! THAT's AWESOME......HAHAHAHA!

     

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    Isn't the point of this that as he celebrates there is a ball potentially loose in the pile, and that he's too busy self-congratulating himself with his little dance rather than being in the scrum?  That's the first thought I had when he did it in the game and, to me, it shows why he may not be a long term Patriot despite his obvious skills.  Read the caption - I'll celebrate, you guys get the ball.  Not a highlight that BB particularly likes. 

     
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    Thank God he can hit better than he can dance!!! THAT's AWESOME......HAHAHAHA!

     

     

     

     

     




    Isn't the point of this that as he celebrates there is a ball potentially loose in the pile, and that he's too busy self-congratulating himself with his little dance rather than being in the scrum?  That's the first thought I had when he did it in the game and, to me, it shows why he may not be a long term Patriot despite his obvious skills.  Read the caption - I'll celebrate, you guys get the ball.  Not a highlight that BB particularly likes. 

     

     

     



     

    I was trying to stay out of this until this post!!! The ball is already smothered by about 8 players. Spikes is having a little fun while playing a game he loves, its part of his swagger. Also Mayo is pointing and walking away from the scrum!!!! SHOULD BB CUT HIM??????? Devin McCourty is trying to break up the scrum, SHOULD BB CUT HIM????? Cut Dennard too because he didnt jump in the pile. 

     

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