Spikes Bigger Impact Than Mayo?

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    Spikes Bigger Impact Than Mayo?

    http://bostonherald.com/sports/patriots_nfl/new_england_patriots/2013/08/challenge_leads_to_spikes_in_play

     

     
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    Re: Spikes Bigger Impact Than Mayo?

    Sounds like BS sees a contract negotiation on the horizon.

     

     

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    Re: Spikes Bigger Impact Than Mayo?

    He's not, Mayo is 5 times the LB the one dimensional Spikes is.

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    What a weird guy, he says he's willing to take that next step and become a great player, then he stays away from the off season workout program. I don't buy a word this guy says. I like his attitude on the field and his physical style of play, but I doubt this guy has it in him to take the next step. I watched him in drills last week and there was 90 other guys that gave a better effort than him - too me he's saying the right things...acting like a good boy...he's angling himself for that next contract.

     
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    What a weird guy, he says he's willing to take that next step and become a great player, then he stays away from the off season workout program. I don't buy a word this guy says. I like his attitude on the field and his physical style of play, but I doubt this guy has it in him to take the next step. I watched him in drills last week and there was 90 other guys that gave a better effort than him - too me he's saying the right things...acting like a good boy...he's angling himself for that next contract.



    It sucked reading that Spikes wasnt giving more effort in practice. Sounds like the article is just a bunch of fluff. I wonder how good the pats strength coaches are if he thought he could become a better football player by training elsewhere in the offseason. He is a good LB now, but will probably never see his true potential, sad.

     
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    How is it weird that his weakness is pristine pass coverage yet he goes to one of the finest private and personal training facilities in the country to work on that all offseason?  If he's focused on that element and voluntary workouts are voluntary, what is the issue? It's not like he held out or skipped mini camp.

    You don't believe a word he says, but you claim Tavon Wilson got worse as his season went last year, when it didn't?

    I think the board doesn't believe a word YOU say, Cuppy.

     



    Once again you display how twisted you are as you guzzle koolaid...so now it's porn star Spikes who's your latest infatuation? Last year it was Chung...the year before Ocho...then Merriweather...on, and on and on. You're a fraud.

    I'm sure Bill is just thrilled that Spikey wanted to hang down Florida to do his "workouts", especially when he routinely gets toasted by third string tight ends in coverage. 

    And yeah Tavon Wilson got better as the year went on...bawahaha ha!!! He's doing even better now, right? I'm sure he's doing so good that they went out and signed a free agent safety because they love throwing money out the window...and drafting another because they love flushing picks down the toilet? I bet they have him buried with the third stringers right now because they just want to see what the other guys can do, right?

     
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    What a weird guy, he says he's willing to take that next step and become a great player, then he stays away from the off season workout program. I don't buy a word this guy says. I like his attitude on the field and his physical style of play, but I doubt this guy has it in him to take the next step. I watched him in drills last week and there was 90 other guys that gave a better effort than him - too me he's saying the right things...acting like a good boy...he's angling himself for that next contract.

     



    It sucked reading that Spikes wasnt giving more effort in practice. Sounds like the article is just a bunch of fluff. I wonder how good the pats strength coaches are if he thought he could become a better football player by training elsewhere in the offseason. He is a good LB now, but will probably never see his true potential, sad.

     



    Yeah I agree...he's a good, physical, intimidating player now that could probably be better. And then he decides not to stay for our off season conditioning program. It's not like this is a ten year proven vet with three Super Bowl rings.

     
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    What a weird guy, he says he's willing to take that next step and become a great player, then he stays away from the off season workout program. I don't buy a word this guy says. I like his attitude on the field and his physical style of play, but I doubt this guy has it in him to take the next step. I watched him in drills last week and there was 90 other guys that gave a better effort than him - too me he's saying the right things...acting like a good boy...he's angling himself for that next contract.

     

     

     



    It sucked reading that Spikes wasnt giving more effort in practice. Sounds like the article is just a bunch of fluff. I wonder how good the pats strength coaches are if he thought he could become a better football player by training elsewhere in the offseason. He is a good LB now, but will probably never see his true potential, sad.

     

     

     

     

     



    Yeah I agree...he's a good, physical, intimidating player now that could probably be better. And then he decides not to stay for our off season conditioning program. It's not like this is a ten year proven vet with three Super Bowl rings.

     

     

     



    That makes no sense. He is paying for a specific program in Florida to work on his footwork. When Brady did that in LA with the boxing trainer or was off in Costa Rica with Welkie not coming to voluntary workouts, did you complain? This was when Brady and Welker sucked in the postseason and were paid a lot more than Spikes.

     

    Why does someone have to rings with an assume arrogance to not attend voluntary workouts?

    Welker never had rings.  Where were you then, Cupcake? 

     



    Oh my lord! You're not comparing Welker and Brady to Spikes, are you? Bawahaha!!

    Yeah that's great, lets compare our porn star linebacker - who won't be resigned next year - to two of the most productive players at their positions in the history of the NFL. This stuff cannot be made up...can't.

    And get this through your head - I think Spikes is a good player. He is a physical presence that understands football...he reminds me of Bryan Cox, but if you think this guy is giving all he can give, you are insane. Which we already know.

     
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    I am with Mthurl on this one. I like Spikes, think he brings alot to the D (for 2 downs), but he is clearly not a leader. Also the writing is on the wall folks with the drafting of Jamie Collins. I would not be the least bit surprised if by midseason Collins is taking some of Spikes 1st and 2nd down snaps as well as 3rd down. Spikes is a good player but replaceable. I dont see any way he is back next year. The only question is what kind of compensation pick will we get for him?!


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    Spikes' biggest impact is in run D.  In pass coverage he is weak to the point of being a liability.  Mayo, IMO, is one of the better all around LBs in the game.

     
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    Agree. I really don't understand why so many are down on mayo. He is a much more valuable piece to the defense than spikes will ever be. 

    The game is getting faster and more wide open. Not good for a player like spikes. He provides value for sure, but the lb of the future is a guy with Collins skill set. It's already apparent that bb is trying to build a faster Defense. I can't recall so many hybrid 250-275 lb guys on the roster at once that can line up in different places. Spikes is a good ILB, that's it. He doesn't have much range and as others said a liability in coverage. 

    In terms of reaching his potential...I think he has. At least on the pats d.

     
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    All the above being said, I hope Spikes signs a reasonable extension and that the Pats offer one... we need depth at LB and he is a thumper in the middle.     They don't need him, they could move Hightower to the Sam position and wouldn't miss a beat, but I still like how Spikes plays.
     
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    Russ still thinks the pats made the right pick when they took Chad Jackson.

     
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    Re: Spikes Bigger Impact Than Mayo?

    He is nowhere near the complete player Mayo is.  Spikes is just not a guy you break the bank for.  A great run stuffer and tone setter, yes.  Has been inconsistent at times, has not played in every game even once and got suspended for an illegal substance.  (I don't care that it was supposedly in his ADHD medication -- still his responsibility.)  This is to say nothing about him being exposed in coverage.  

    I'd like to see him back, but the contract needs to be reasonable.



     
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    He is nowhere near the complete player Mayo is.  Spikes is just not a guy you break the bank for.  A great run stuffer and tone setter, yes.  Has been inconsistent at times, has not played in every game even once and got suspended for an illegal substance.  (I don't care that it was supposedly in his ADHD medication -- still his responsibility.)  This is to say nothing about him being exposed in coverage.  

    I'd like to see him back, but the contract needs to be reasonable.






    I just like the fact that he is playing for his next contract, because he will be going all out you would think. I think the guy gives a good effort on the field for the most part, he makes the defense better, but I really question his desire to be better than what he is, which is what this entire thread is centered on.

    I'll add that he's a good blitzer too...he knows how to time it, he's got the size for it and for all the people that say he is slow (and he is), the guy can move pretty darn quick in a short area. Personally I just think he is one of the problems in that locker room - a guy that is as far away from a Teddy Bruschi or Willie McGinnest as you can get. Leadership means something on a football team, players look up to a player like him and I think he probably is falling way short.

     
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    All the above being said, I hope Spikes signs a reasonable extension and that the Pats offer one... we need depth at LB and he is a thumper in the middle.     They don't need him, they could move Hightower to the Sam position and wouldn't miss a beat, but I still like how Spikes plays.


    Agree. Hightower and mayo inside, Collins/nink, jones outside. As you note, we still need depth, but how much do you pay for depth when you have fletcher and Stevie B, and one of nink/ Collins providing that depth? If spikes becomes the 3rd in rotation inside, maybe we get better value with the other 2 mentioned above? 

     
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    All the above being said, I hope Spikes signs a reasonable extension and that the Pats offer one... we need depth at LB and he is a thumper in the middle.     They don't need him, they could move Hightower to the Sam position and wouldn't miss a beat, but I still like how Spikes plays.



    Right. Yes. Agree. He does have a bit more than others when it comes to run D. And there are times when you really want that. I hope he returns but I also agree he is, at leas tto date, limtied in his roles.

     
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    Spikes is a nice player and has definitely gotten better since he was drafted, but Mayo is far and away the best LB on this team.

     
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    For the 2012 regular season Mayo had a snap count of 1047 (vs. 721 for Spikes)

                                   Mayo             Spikes*

    tackles                     88                 82.8

    assists                     59                 50.8

    Sacks                      3                   1.45

    Forced Fumbles        4                   7.25

    *projected if Spikes played the same number of snaps.

    Of course, we can't really control for the type of play (pass vs. run or by down). But, on the surface, Spikes might be considered more of an impact player because of his hard hitting style - and forced fumbles; which can result in the Patriots recovering the ball.

     
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    For the 2012 regular season Mayo had a snap count of 1047 (vs. 721 for Spikes)

                                   Mayo             Spikes*

    tackles                     88                 82.8

    assists                     59                 50.8

    Sacks                      3                   1.45

    Forced Fumbles        4                   7.25

    *projected if Spikes played the same number of snaps.

    Of course, we can't really control for the type of play (pass vs. run or by down). But, on the surface, Spikes might be considered more of an impact player because of his hard hitting style - and forced fumbles; which can result in the Patriots recovering the ball.



    The bolded portion is exactly what is wrong with this argument.  You can't assume that Spikes can play the number of snaps as Mayo precisely because he isn't as good.  More importantly the plays Spikes comes off for are less likely to result in fumbles or tackles because they are passing downs so you can't just extrapolate the same rate stats for those hypothetical additional snaps.  It's the same reason you can't look at sacks for a situational pass rusher and then assume if he played 3 downs his sack totals would increase proportionally.

    Mayo is a far superior LB, but don't take my word for it.  Take the sportswriters and fans who have voted Mayo to the pro bowl and to a 1st team all pro team.  Take Bill Belichick's.  He thought Mayo was worth a lucrative extension.  Somehow I don't see Spikes commanding that kind of money.

     
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    For the 2012 regular season Mayo had a snap count of 1047 (vs. 721 for Spikes)

                                   Mayo             Spikes*

    tackles                     88                 82.8

    assists                     59                 50.8

    Sacks                      3                   1.45

    Forced Fumbles        4                   7.25

    *projected if Spikes played the same number of snaps.

    Of course, we can't really control for the type of play (pass vs. run or by down). But, on the surface, Spikes might be considered more of an impact player because of his hard hitting style - and forced fumbles; which can result in the Patriots recovering the ball.

     



    The bolded portion is exactly what is wrong with this argument.  You can't assume that Spikes can play the number of snaps as Mayo precisely because he isn't as good.  More importantly the plays Spikes comes off for are less likely to result in fumbles or tackles because they are passing downs so you can't just extrapolate the same rate stats for those hypothetical additional snaps.  It's the same reason you can't look at sacks for a situational pass rusher and then assume if he played 3 downs his sack totals would increase proportionally.


    Mayo is a far superior LB, but don't take my word for it.  Take the sportswriters and fans who have voted Mayo to the pro bowl and to a 1st team all pro team.  Take Bill Belichick's.  He thought Mayo was worth a lucrative extension.  Somehow I don't see Spikes commanding that kind of money.




    Of course, that's why I said what I said.  That being said tho, for the number of snaps Spikes has played, he's been more productive with timely forced fumbles. Is that not important?

     
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    For the 2012 regular season Mayo had a snap count of 1047 (vs. 721 for Spikes)

                                   Mayo             Spikes*

    tackles                     88                 82.8

    assists                     59                 50.8

    Sacks                      3                   1.45

    Forced Fumbles        4                   7.25

    *projected if Spikes played the same number of snaps.

    Of course, we can't really control for the type of play (pass vs. run or by down). But, on the surface, Spikes might be considered more of an impact player because of his hard hitting style - and forced fumbles; which can result in the Patriots recovering the ball.




    And still, Mayo had better numbers.

     
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    For the 2012 regular season Mayo had a snap count of 1047 (vs. 721 for Spikes)

                                   Mayo             Spikes*

    tackles                     88                 82.8

    assists                     59                 50.8

    Sacks                      3                   1.45

    Forced Fumbles        4                   7.25

    *projected if Spikes played the same number of snaps.

    Of course, we can't really control for the type of play (pass vs. run or by down). But, on the surface, Spikes might be considered more of an impact player because of his hard hitting style - and forced fumbles; which can result in the Patriots recovering the ball.

     




    And still, Mayo had better numbers.

     



    I'm not a researcher, but the differences for most of the stats are probably not statistically better for Mayo. Yes, for the discrete numbers, except for FF; which is important - cuz FF can mean that the Patriots take over possession.

     
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    Re: Spikes Bigger Impact Than Mayo?

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    All the above being said, I hope Spikes signs a reasonable extension and that the Pats offer one... we need depth at LB and he is a thumper in the middle.     They don't need him, they could move Hightower to the Sam position and wouldn't miss a beat, but I still like how Spikes plays.



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