Spikes or McKenzie?

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    Spikes or McKenzie?

    Who do you think will line up next to Mayo? To be honest last year I thought Mckenzie was going to be the starter before tearing his ACL - when he was drafted in 09 Belichick raved about how instinctive he can be. He played for 3 Division I schools and made all conference teams.

    However, we got a new hummer in our garage called Brandon Spikes. He was a bonafide star at Florida and in college. Id love to see him square someone up every Sunday.

    No matter who starts next to Mayo I think we are in for a treat. Who do you guys think will start?
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    Guyton
     
  3. You have chosen to ignore posts from ATJ. Show ATJ's posts

    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    Regardless of whether it's Spikes, McKenzie or Guyton who starts, the Pats have definitely got some depth and flexibility on the inside.  The piece on McKenzie is very good to see. (Thanks for pasting and posting, Russ).
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    Too bad one of them couldn't play (well) OLB too.  Wonder if they'll experiment there.
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    That's what I like about competition, they will compete for the job and the best man will win.

    I still believe a veteran ILB will be brought in at some point.
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    I wouldn't be a bit surprised if they slid McKenzie to the outside. He is athletic and has more speed than Spikes. Any way you look at it, our linebacker unit is a lot younger and quicker. That goes for the whole defense.
     
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    I'd be surprised if they brought in a vet ILB unless (shhhhh) someone gets hurt.
     
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    I'd love seeing an ILB named Spikes hurting people, so I'm going for him.
     
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     "McKenzie, an inside linebacker, made quite the impact on Friday at Patriots training camp when he stuffed Laurence Maroney on a goal line situation, knocking the veteran running back squarely back at the goal line and keeping him out of the end zone. "

    Let's not judge his performance on stuffing Laura Maroney.  The league has been doing just that for 4 years.
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    We have ourselves a very good situation on the inside.  However, with all the draft picks that we have had the past 2 seasons - we have not addressed the need for speed off the edge.  A bonefide pass rush specialist.

    The Pack will continue to enjoy the sacks by Matthews.

    Watching Hughes go elsewhere was a mistake as well.  Hughes brought pass rush capabilities, and fluid movement in his drop back into coverage.  he would have been a gem in the PAtriots Scheme.  The Colts made an even bigger mistake by drafting him into a 4-3 scheme. 



     
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    Nobody complained about passing on Matthews until he produced some sacks late last year.  It was passing on Mauluga that got everyone up in arms after the draft.  Personally, I was surprised we passed on Oher who dropped and now starts for the Ravens.  Who knows what goes on in Bills head?

    I found Hughes to be a question mark of sorts.  He was a 1st rounder before the combine and then dropped a full round afterwards.  I never found out why.  Size?  He was taken probably in the right area of the draft, a tweener.  The Pats had McCourty eyeballed early which means he was high on their draft board.  Due to other teams needs Bill took the gamble to slide down collecting draft picks on the way.  So I can see why we missed on Hughes if you want to call it a miss. 
     
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    I agree with nightrider....and I have been saying this for some time...McKenzie could move to the outside. He is basically the same size as TBC, but stronger and faster. 

    Same could be said for Mayo. He played outside part of his college career. BB is giving Spikes a lot of playcalling responsibility right now with the 1st team...if Spikes can call plays, could we see a lot of movement with our ILB's? ...perhaps Mayo/McKenzie bouncing around between inside and outside, or just using McKenzie more as OLB.

    I feel a lot more comfortable with Mayo/Spikes inside, TBC/Cunningham/McKenzie outside, with TBC & McKenzie shifting around based on scheme. 
     
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    I agree with nightrider....and I have been saying this for some time...McKenzie could move to the outside. He is basically the same size as TBC, but stronger and faster.  Same could be said for Mayo. He played outside part of his college career. BB is giving Spikes a lot of playcalling responsibility right now with the 1st team...if Spikes can call plays, could we see a lot of movement with our ILB's? ...perhaps Mayo/McKenzie bouncing around between inside and outside, or just using McKenzie more as OLB. I feel a lot more comfortable with Mayo/Spikes inside, TBC/Cunningham/McKenzie outside, with TBC & McKenzie shifting around based on scheme. 
    Posted by PatsLifer


    THIS....Absolutely and No Doubt imho.  Tyrone McKenzie has been to seemingly every college in Division 1 Football, and he's played all over as a Linebacker not simply as an ILB as where he was at his Senior Season @ where?- South Florida?  McKenzie being a hair under 6'2 and just over 240lbs and having a 4.7 something 40 and a Combine 4.8 40, Is pretty high in all...  But LIKE Brandon Spikes, McKenzie has simply a GREAT nose for the football, good instincts and a well-above average sideline to sideline range.  
        
    UNLIKE Spikes, McKenzie is an inch and a half smaller and @ 20lbs lighter.  McKenzie IS very willing to take on a blocker, BUT Spikes is utterly FEROCIOUS here AND coupled with his Bigger size, YET less speed than McKenzie=NE WILL deploy Spikes at the Strong Inside Linebacker (although somewhat unsure at the very beginning of Spikes Rookie year #1).  Regardless, McKenzie is even smaller and even slower than Gary Guyton and Guyton got mauled playing The Mike (SILB) the past year (but I gotta say again, McKenzie has Guyton beat on far better instincts, and far more "killer" instincts, so to say)...

    ALL this said, The key to McKenzie IS his versatility...  More than not, Look for the following:  Spikes WILL be your first 2 down SILB, of this I'm prett d#mn sure.  Now McKenzie's pretty cool here, because BB LOVES mixing up his looks.  THUS, McKenzie can give Mayo a rest on ANY down and fill in adequately as a Weakside Inside Linebacker (JACK?).  ALSO, McKenzie CAN fill in for Spikes on a 3rd down passing situation as the SILB, and even 2nd and long if need be at SILB.  AND, although in the past Belichick trully wanted 6'3, 6'4 and even 6'5 Outside Linebackers, Within the past few years with Burgess and AD, those guys I'm pretty sure were only 6'2-maybe 6'3- And although they WERE heavier than McKenzie, It canNOT have escaped Belichick that many other 3-4 Teams have been using guys who in the past would have been "miniscule" OLBs (see-Denver's 5'11 Weakside OLB terror this past year).  SO, this IS to say that IMHO, McKenzie could very well BE a 3-down Weakside OLB...  He's imo, MUCH better at shedding blocks thrown his way on the shorter side of the field than Tully BC, and TBC DOES have that backfield prescence rushing the passing pocket, BUT TBC is VERY weak when team's run to his side (which oppossing O's can & DO exploit vs TBC).  With McKenzie who had 15 TFL's in his Senior Year, ya ain't giving up much in terms of getting to the backfield, BUT you're adding a guy much better against the run as a Weakside OLB (rather than TBC), AND McKenzie IS pretty decent at pass-coverage too (IF he needs to cover a TE/RB gooing into the flat).

    Yea, summin up:
    Spikes-Smashmouth ILB for At LEAST 2, but hopefully 3 downs as the SILB we desperately needed and need.
    McKenzie-3 down WILB (for Mayo getting a breather); 3rd and long- maybe 2nd and long down SILB (passing down and/or a breather for Spikes); ULTIMATELY- 3 down WOLB (in place of, OR as a TBC breather); and EVEN a 3rd & long- maybe 2nd and long SOLB too...  
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    A mixture of all of them.

    McKenzie-Guyton-Spikes probably in that order and probably at one point moving Guyton out to just a nickel situation.
     
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    Bill B will be playing a 2-6-3  this year, using OFFENSIVE guys on defense, and the punter as safety.  On offense, he will use Cheerleaders on the line, Tom will cheerlead, and at QB he will use Torry Holt.  Just because he makes it a point of NEVER EVER doing what everyone says he will do.  
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    according to pfwonline Spikes has been slow to read and cover and McK is hitting everything in sight. Spikes will get quicker in reading the run the line on him that he is slow in pass coverage, is true
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    It's good to have three starters for two positions.

    Spikes is an ace at sniffing out offensive plays and then barking out orders to the offense.  He's going to make 10 other guys a tenth of a second faster to the ball.  Spikes is clearly in on running downs.  I'm concerned that Spikes can't cover very well but someone has to provide a bit of run support on third and five. 

    McKenzie can't cover either.  However, McKenzie can easily play strongside OLB, that's what he played in college, he's a tweener and so I see McKenzie alternating with Cunningham, with Tully Banta-Cain or with a nickel back such as McCourty on third and ten.  McKenzie will be a "UFO" ILB/OLB linebacker for Belichick, often sliding inside or outside before the snap.

     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    McKenzie played OLB in a 4-3 or a 3-4?
     
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    It's good to have three starters for two positions. Spikes is an ace at sniffing out offensive plays and then barking out orders to the offense.  He's going to make 10 other guys a tenth of a second faster to the ball.  Spikes is clearly in on running downs.  I'm concerned that Spikes can't cover very well but someone has to provide a bit of run support on third and five.  McKenzie can't cover either.  However, McKenzie can easily play strongside OLB, that's what he played in college, he's a tweener and so I see McKenzie alternating with Cunningham, with Tully Banta-Cain or with a nickel back such as McCourty on third and ten.  McKenzie will be a "UFO" ILB/OLB linebacker for Belichick, often sliding inside or outside before the snap.
    Posted by Paul_K
    Don't be to concerned about Spikes coverage skills. He had several interceptions in college and returned a few for TouchDowns. He also is a Great not Good Blitzing LB from the Inside or Outside. This guy is going to be Special in BB's Defense. You can bank on it.
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    Spikes's pass coverage ability continues to be a disaster holding him down.  Stick a yellow flag permanently to Spikes's helmet. 

    I'd put McKenzie in as a starter on first and 10 and save Spikes for obvious running plays.
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    I read in one practice report today that Spikes had to hold Crumpler to avoid getting burned. If he can't cover him, how will he stay with someone like Ray Rice coming out of the backfield? He won't. Haven't read much about McKenzie in coverage. Mayo seemingly remains the only inside guy with all of the tools.
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    I don't see either of them supplanting Guyton as the starter from the start of the season barring injuries.
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    I think Spikes would beat out McKenzie.. everything i've read/heard, Spikes has been all over the field, very instinctive in picking up the plays and getting to the ball.  He's going to be a SOLID mlb.. I would imagine he'd be the starter next to Mayo.  He's much faster than his 40-time suggests. 

    As for his coverage ability, like a previous person said, he had multiple picks in college and returned several for TD's.. he's just got a nose for the ball.  He might not be able to cover like a safety, but oh well.. he's an ILB!

    BUT... I think Guyton will be alongside Mayo, with Spikes slowly working his way into getting more and more playing time as the season goes on.. figure he'll split 50/50 with Guyton by the end of the season.
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    Brandon Spikes as a Florida Gator:

    Games Played (not "started" (39 games), just "played in"):

    47 Games

    Total Tackles:

    307 Total Tackles

    Tackles For Losses:

    31.5 TFLs

    Total Sacks:

    6.5 Sacks

    Fumble Recoveries:

    4 frs

    Interceptions:

    6 INTs

    INTs returned for TDs:

    4 Ints-Tds

    Passes Broken Up:

    14 PBUs


    ~You guys do know that he was a MIDDLE Linebacker, right?
     
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    Re: Spikes or McKenzie?

    Lets play a 2:5 like WV...

                                      Brace       Fork
          Guyton       TBC        Spikes       Mayo      Mackenzie
    Butler           Chung              MW                       Bodden

    Why the hell not it works in college

    We'll call it...... O Sh*t i have no F***cking outside LBers
     

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