Sporting News grades Pats draft an A+

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    Sporting News grades Pats draft an A+

    For what its worth:

    http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-04-30/nfl-draft-grades-lions-patriots-ace-their-tests-jets-swing-and-miss

     
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    How do you start off an A+ grade commentary with a negative (no pass rush, but)?

    Hilarious how some writers try to get into teams good graces.  I wonder if these guys think that with the way Belichick operates the only way to get their question taken in a media session with Belichick is to constantly stroke him in writing.

    The guy gives the colts a B- for specifically and effectively addressing their needs by upgrading one of the worst olines in the league as well as taking a solid DT and a possible MJD type RB.  Go figure. 

    Take this guy seriously at your own risk.
     
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    [QUOTE]How do you start off an A+ grade commentary with a negative (no pass rush, but)? Hilarious how some writers try to get into teams good graces.  I wonder if these guys think that with the way Belichick operates the only way to get their question taken in a media session with Belichick is to constantly stroke him in writing.
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    I believe they look at what needs WERE FILLED and grade it according to the quality of the player who was drafted to meet that need. They dont downgrade the Pats cause everyone except Bill thought we needed a rookiee 3rd down specialist (at best what the pr's who were left were, one dimensional one trick ponies for the most part) over that big asz Clydesdale that will be protecting Toms backside for the next 5 to 10 years.
     
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    No one thought the pats didn't need defensive front 7 help, including the analyst, so I ask again - How can he give an A+ grade (there's nothing better) and when even he notes first that they didn't address a need.  Its a contradiction.  

    It doesn't matter what Belichick might think.  Its about what the writer thinks.  He thinks the pats, first and foremost, didn't address a need yet he still gave them the "perfect" grade. 
     
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    [QUOTE]No one thought the pats didn't need defensive front 7 help, including the analyst, so I ask again - How can he give an A+ grade (there's nothing better) and when even he notes first that they didn't address a need.  Its a contradiction.   It doesn't matter what Belichick might think.  Its about what the writer thinks.  He thinks the pats, first and foremost, didn't address a need yet he still gave them the "perfect" grade. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    They did address a need, the OL was in a shambles. How are you not getting this? Its just not the need every knee jerk reactionary pink hatter wanted. Again, the guy cant rate who BB DIDNT draft, only who he did. And in his opinion, he got some serious studs.
     
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    They addressed several needs and they did a good job of it.  I wouldn't give it A+, but it was very good.

    Yes they did not address what is perceived as the weakest link - the pass rush.  Many will tell you they were never a team that just set someone free as a pass rusher (as in Clay Matthews wouldn't be a sac machine with the Pats), but relied on them taking care of their own assignments. Cunningham will get a bigger role in 2011, Ty Warren should be healthy, those help.  What would really help is getting a solid OLB replacement to make Banta Cain and Ninkovich pure depth.
     
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    [QUOTE]How do you start off an A+ grade commentary with a negative (no pass rush, but)? Hilarious how some writers try to get into teams good graces.  I wonder if these guys think that with the way Belichick operates the only way to get their question taken in a media session with Belichick is to constantly stroke him in writing. The guy gives the colts a B- for specifically and effectively addressing their needs by upgrading one of the worst olines in the league as well as taking a solid DT and a possible MJD type RB.  Go figure.  Take this guy seriously at your own risk.
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]


    Hey Doggie Do!  Guess you didn't like his B- rating for Na'Polian's efforts.
     
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    These grades are pointless IMO. None of these players have played yet. If it turns out Ras-I dowling, Solder and Cannon become Pro Bowlers, then yes this draft is an A+. If the majority of these players are busts or role players at best, then its definitely not an A+.

    I always thought that grading the draft right after was retarded. Look at our draft last year, the McCourty pick was laughed at and the knock on Gronk was "bad back, he'll be a bust" Spikes was considered too slow and Hernandez was on dope, and who the hel! drafts a punter? B draft at best according to "experts"

    One season later, McCourty made the pro bowl, Gronk was a beast, Spikes was the inside thumper we needed alongside Mayo, Mesko was great, Hernandez was Weapon X if you will and Cunningham IMO showed promise that he can and will make the DE to OLB transition rather fluidly.

    Rate the draft after these players play, not before they even play a snap in the NFL.
     
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    [QUOTE]No one thought the pats didn't need defensive front 7 help, including the analyst, so I ask again - How can he give an A+ grade (there's nothing better) and when even he notes first that they didn't address a need.  Its a contradiction.   It doesn't matter what Belichick might think.  Its about what the writer thinks.  He thinks the pats, first and foremost, didn't address a need yet he still gave them the "perfect" grade. 
    Posted by UD6[/QUOTE]

    your an agenda driven tool... who cares what you think...your an opposing teams fan commenting on a rivals web site... get a life and get lost...
     
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    It's amazing how, to some, anyone who disapproves of the Pats' draft is a pink hatter.  This was a very poor draft.  When you make 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds, you can't help but pick some good players.  That isn't the point.  The question is, by making those 5 picks, and deferring a first rounder into the future, did you improve your team significantly? The answer here is absolutely no.  In year one, Solder for Light is a wash (could be a great pick down the road however). Dowling might be a great player, if he ever sees the field.  So, not my preference, but good enough there.  But how the team with one of the NFL's best offenses and one of its worst defenses could spend 3 of its first 5 picks on two running backs and a quarterback, well its mind-boggling.  I think the pink hatters are the ones who think that whatver BB does is right.  It takes a little backbone to think the king is wrong.      
     
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    [QUOTE]It's amazing how, to some, anyone who disapproves of the Pats' draft is a pink hatter.  This was a very poor draft.  When you make 5 picks in the 1st 3 rounds, you can't help but pick some good players.  That isn't the point.  The question is, by making those 5 picks, and deferring a first rounder into the future, did you improve your team significantly? The answer here is absolutely no.  In year one, Solder for Light is a wash (could be a great pick down the road however). Dowling might be a great player, if he ever sees the field.  So, not my preference, but good enough there.  But how the team with one of the NFL's best offenses and one of its worst defenses could spend 3 of its first 5 picks on two running backs and a quarterback, well its mind-boggling.  I think the pink hatters are the ones who think that whatver BB does is right.  It takes a little backbone to think the king is wrong.      
    Posted by zackie[/QUOTE]
    That great offense you are talking about only scored 14 points against the Ravens in the playoffs in 2009 and only had 14 points with one minute to go in the playoff game against the Jets in 2010. The defense played well enough last year to win that game. The Patriots offense and special teams gave the Jets a short field time and time again.
     
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    I know Pats didn't draft what we think is most important to the team, but since when Bill ever drafts according to our expections? Never... just give it some time and see how this draft turn out.
     
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    Agree with GadisRKO.  The analysts' draft grades make for entertaining reading at best.  Most of them are worthless opinions, often colored by individual biases or motives.  Sporting News gives NEP draft  an A+ while Adam Caplan of Fox Sports gives a D! 

    We'll not have a sense for the draft quality until players are on the field for a couple of years.
     
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    A post-draft "analysis" is no different than a mock draft -- pointless and arbitrary -- it's just some guy filling column inches with his opinion. But, in answer to the loaded question, I doubt any team addressed each and every "need" it projected going in. The grades (it would seem to me) are assigned in regards to who you got in relation to who was availableas the actual draft unfolded, not who you might have gotten in the best of all possible worlds.
     
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    here is how Foxsports rated the Pats draft;

    New England Patriots: D

     

     

    Draft picks: OT Nate Solder (first round), CB Ras-I Dowling (second round), RB Shane Vereen (second round), RB Stevan Ridley (third round), QB Ryan Mallett (third round), OL Marcus Cannon (fifth round), TE Lee Smith (fifth round), LB Markell Carter (sixth round), DB Malcolm Williams (seventh round).

    Analysis: Sure, Solder will fill a need, but the Patriots failed to address their poor pass rush at all during the draft. Did they really need another cornerback? All the cornerbacks in the world won’t help unless the pass rush up front is getting to the quarterback.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Sporting News grades Pats draft an A+ : That great offense you are talking about only scored 14 points against the Ravens in the playoffs in 2009 and only had 14 points with one minute to go in the playoff game against the Jets in 2010. The defense played well enough last year to win that game. The Patriots offense and special teams gave the Jets a short field time and time again.
    Posted by digger0862[/QUOTE]Both the Ravens and Jets have top 5 Defenses thats why.
     
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    Re: Sporting News grades Pats draft an A+

    This is how they gain access to write an article titled: Ryan Mallet is he Tom Bradys Steve Young?

    Beware the away game in Miami; South Beach can be so tempting.
     
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    Mel Kiper gave the Pats a C+, I agree. 

    No pass-rush, that was the missing piece in a 14-2 team. We're going to get our butt handed to us by teams like the Packers or Colts (beefed up OL). 
     
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    [QUOTE]Mel Kiper gave the Pats a C+, I agree.  No pass-rush, that was the missing piece in a 14-2 team. We're going to get our butt handed to us by teams like the Packers or Colts (beefed up OL). 
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE]

    I hate to agree with Kiper but he's right

    Just breaking it down Solder is going to be a great T so a great pick there. Ras is an interesting pick. He has the potential to be another McCourty but Butler also had some of the same qualities. It's just one of those things if you are drafting a player that high you expect them to be a starter within a couple of years and only time will tell if he will become one truthfully. Vereen is a hybrid of Woodhead and BJGE but again is he going to be a 20-30 carry back? I don't think he will. I think he'll be productive but not sure if he'll leave up to his 2nd round pick. Ridley I understand I wanted a tough back to get short yards but that high in the draft? Mallet is like buying a dotcom companies stock really low. It has a chance to develop into something that really pays off but could go bankrupt overnight. This was a luxury pick and one I don't think they should have taken until they fixed the pass rush. Cannon is a steal if you can keep Mankins from sitting out for any length of time. You are already thin on the OL and Cannon is going to need time to recover, however, great pick he will be dominant once he gets on the field. Smith looks like a convert to a backup T to me. I don't see him becoming anything special as a TE. The other 2 are ST's or camp cuts but what can you do in the late rounds?  To me they addressed the line in the future but not for this year and they replaced older RB's with some young blood but they didn't really do anything to improve the leagues worst 3rd down D or put pressure on the QB which has been one of the biggest issues in the last 2 post season
     
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    [QUOTE]These grades are pointless IMO. None of these players have played yet. If it turns out Ras-I dowling, Solder and Cannon become Pro Bowlers, then yes this draft is an A+. If the majority of these players are busts or role players at best, then its definitely not an A+. I always thought that grading the draft right after was retarded. Look at our draft last year, the McCourty pick was laughed at and the knock on Gronk was "bad back, he'll be a bust" Spikes was considered too slow and Hernandez was on dope, and who the hel! drafts a punter? B draft at best according to "experts" One season later, McCourty made the pro bowl, Gronk was a beast, Spikes was the inside thumper we needed alongside Mayo, Mesko was great, Hernandez was Weapon X if you will and Cunningham IMO showed promise that he can and will make the DE to OLB transition rather fluidly. Rate the draft after these players play, not before they even play a snap in the NFL.
    Posted by GadisRKO[/QUOTE]

    EXACTLY MY THOUGHTS.
    Relax and let it pan out..

     
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    Grading the draft now is just stupid....grading the draft now on 07-08 makes scense right now but whatever....
    I love what the Pats did this year right now....filled some glaring holes & built for the future by adding 2 high round picks...we may not know the full extent of this draft until Bill stops moving picks into the future....I absoluty love his philosophy, we are so lucky to have him leading our team....man I hope he stays around another 10 years....
     
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    Getting tired of how BB screwed up the draft....M light F/A...Unhappy Guard...Guard retiring...Some average replacements... As i see it, these new players are an improvement...

    Do the Pats need another DB...how many teams fear Arrington, butler.??  RAZ-I will be the tried DB out on the field...
     
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    Re: Sporting News grades Pats draft an A+

    I'll grade drafts when the players develop. It makes no sense otherwise.

    I mean superficially NE grabbed one player at every spot they were thin. It means nothing if none of them are players in two seasons. 

    Likewise, a year or two ago everyone said the Bengals had the world's greatest draft ... how did that work out? 
     
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    Re: Sporting News grades Pats draft an A+

    That's weird. How the hell can you grade something that has yet to take a test?  So technically this draft is an A, as some of my Teachers used to say, "you guys all start with an 'A', and it's up to you to keep it there."

    Great Job BB. 
     

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