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Spygate or Saints worse

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    Re: Spygate or Saints worse

    Every reasonable person would shorten that sentence to "cheating".


    Ah no they wouldn't.
    Are the acquisitions of scouting tapes illegal?  Nope, a place is provided to do just that.  (agreed?)  if not read-up
    Are stealing signals illegal?    Nope, not there either.  (agreed?) if not read-up
    Is taping on the sidelines illegal?  Godell says yes, an attorney would say no and other coaches have also interpreted it differently.
    BUT, for the sake of sanity, we'll use God's interpretation, since he is the boss.
    That still means that the only infraction is location, location, location.  BFD
     
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    I didn't read more than the title of this thread but I'm guessing it took less than 2 pages to turn into a redundant Spygate debate.  It is amazing how insecure some Pats fans are about Spygate.  As to which is worse, which I'm guessing is a topic long abandoned...... neither is worse, both are equally bad for very different reasons. 
    Posted by Thesemenarecowards


    Once again it seems like Pats Fans are being held captive by UD6.  Who really gives a shii---t what UD6 thinks.   This is ridiculous.

    However, I might be able to agree with arguing with UD6 because if you are a Pats Fan you were and are still subject to massive amounts of dung thrown by terminal idiots who screamed and are still screaming that Spy Gate was the worse thing that has ever happened in Professional Sports.   

    OTOH, I might be able to agree with UD6 if and only if the person doing the video taping had launched his Camera from a Rocket Launcher with intent to injure the opposing player.  Then the video Taping  might have risen to the same level of the Saints Coaching Staff being complicit paying players to deliberately injure the opposition.





     
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    In Response to Re: Spygate or Saints worse : the acquisition of legal scouting tapes is legal.  the acquisition of illegal scouting tapes is not.  Do you know that other coaches interpretted differently?  I've never seen that.  Other coaches may have violated the same rule for the same reason knowing they were violating the rule.  Are there limits to the number of cameras a team may have?  Do you know the reason why the league doesn't want teams taping on the sidelines? 
    Posted by UD6


    Ok, what's the difference between a legal and illegal acquisition of scouting tape?  Location, location, location.
    There are limits on the amount of cameras.  So?  What does it matter where they are?
    There are always cameras on the sidelines and in the endzone.  The coaches 22 tape is taken from the EZ.
    The interpretation of the rule is subjective due to being poorly worded and containing conflicting information.  In other word it contains loop-holes.
    If you think BB was the only one smart enough to find those loop-holes, well ok.
    Every one else who did it just broke the law.
    If they wanted to make things perfectly clear they only needed to word it like:
    "Taping of an opponent can only be done in an area designated by the team and approved by the league.  Removal of such tapes from the designated area are strictly prohibited during the course of the game."    TADAA..... NO Doubt, no questions and no rules broken without purpose or clear intent to do so.
    If you don't clarify specifically, you can't judge intent where interpretation is subjective.  It is possible and probable to make mistakes when things aren't specific and verbiage is odd.
    I have a degree in BA.  Business law was a huge part of the curriculum.
     
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    In Response to Re: Spygate or Saints worse : If Kraft had ever fought this his attorneys would have torn Goodell to shreds. But Kraft didn't because to do so would have harmed the whole league. Goodell wouldn't have dared to pull this BS on Al Davis. As the former head of a 500+ person union that constantly had to contend with the letter of a contract I can say that the bylaws, memo and gameday manual are a joke and riddled with provisions that could be endlessly litigated.
    Posted by BabeParilli


    You are right, they would have shredded them and I believe that is the only reason they didn't make a big deal of it. They accepted responsibility and that was that.
    I wonder if Kraft had it to do over, he wouldn't think about calling Goodie's bluff and ask him if he really wanted to put the League through the litigation.
    Don't you think Goody would have backed off.
    That's probably why he leaked the tapes to his wife and then she to Fox. It went too far.  OOOOPPPPS, What ever happened to that investigation?  Didn't he vow to find the culprit?  Ya, just like I thought...
    Just more proof Goody is selective in who he punishes.
     
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    Goodell is the bane of the NFL period.  He is booed at every stadium he is seen in.  How the owners keep him is beyond my reasoning. 
     
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    One last thing - unfortunately for pats fans there is commentary - even from former patriots - that what the patriots did was worse than the saints.  The reasons given is that there are all kinds of financial incentives given to players for game play.  I think many former players see this as a part of the game.

    Posted by UD6

    Are you freakin' serious?!!! So you'll say just about anything to make Spygate seem worse than Bountygate?!

    Tell you what, with absolutely no due respect, I'm certain that a vast majority of past and  present players and coaches (e.g.,Jimmy Johnson and your own Howard Mudd) think that stealing signals is a much more legitimate and accepted part of the game.   You say lots of things just to be provocative (guess that's a troll's job, especially one whose team is now completely irrelevant), but you're way the f over the line on this one.  You're on ignore(only done this twice, you and Rusty), but for an objective decision as to which is really worse,perhaps you shoul compare the punishments meted out by the league for these respective transgressions?  What a complete tool you are.

     
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    I heard the Colts are dismantling their team.....So what does Underdogg have to look forward to now? Coming to a Patriots Message Board?
     
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    I heard the Colts are dismantling their team..... So what does Underdogg have to look forward to now? Coming to a Patriots Message Board?
    Posted by Rocky


    "Look forward to".  He has almost 4000 (mostly idiotic) posts on this site.

    Try to imagine, losing your starting qb that you built your whole team around,
    not having anyone even close to replacing him, coming off 2-14 cop out season
    and having to believe in the Colts management to turning this around.

    You would be on a Pats board to!

    Starting to pity the dogg!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: Spygate or Saints worse : Mostly idiotic? Don't sugar coat it.
    Posted by BabeParilli


    LOL!!
     
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    Saint Gate is a mega-scandal. Payton and Loomis deserve equal punishment  as Williams as they knew, approved of and tried to cover up the affair. My guess is that Goodell selects Williams as the skapegoat and his punishment is stiffer. Even if he gets only a 1 year ban, he will unlikely see the NFL again as the stench from this debacle will linger for years. No team will risk taking him on. Payton and Loomis will survive but get stiff punishment (1 year ban?) because Goodell perceives that the league and NO needs their leadership. Nevertheless, lawsuits will be directed at Williams, Payton, Loomis and the NO Saints organization for intent to injure on the part of players targeted. No matter what Goodell's decision on this matter and it will effect the NFL for years to come. It will be powerful and set the tone for policy on player safety.
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    I think most of us were right that Bountygate was disgraceful and Goodell would come down very hard.
     
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    UD6 are you here because you like to discuss the Pats or because your own team sucks and you are avoiding talking about them on your own team website?
     
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