Spygate vs Chokegate

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    Resting the starters is a common practice once the playoffs are secured is not uncommon in the NFL and is accepted. The Pats even did it in 2006.

    The Colts wronged their fans by not playing for history and they will have to deal with that, but they did nothing wrong ethically in regards to the NFL.
     
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    Wait wait wait - for the record you started this. 

    Are you really going to question the colts integrity for choosing the players they choose to play given their situation which they earned through the 14 previous games and then attempt to compare it to the systemic organizational cheating of the patriots since Belichick's arrival? 

    Nobody intentionally tanked a game.  If you believe that, then include Belichick in the investigation and crown him the king of the opposite of integrity.  He cheated and his team complied.  He has not won a title without his cheating ways.  interesting, huh.  For all the conspiracy theorists out there, answer that!  So not only did he cheat, he has also rested starters.  By your standards your coach represents less than the scum of the earth.  Glad you got him. 

    As far as robbing other teams, those teams robbed themselves by not dictating their own destiny.  What are you, a socialist?  The team that wins earns the right to choose how they play their games and what players.  They fielded players who wanted nothing more than to win that game.  And the players who played and the coaches who coached, did so for the entire 60 minutes.  The same cannot be said for Randy Moss and Bill Belichick who have both demonstrated that they will leave the field before those 60 minutes are up. 

    Integrity indeed.  The colts own it in spades.  By starting this thread you have acknowledged that the pats are the org that has no integrity, and thus no legitimate championships.  All you have are ill gotten gains.  It must s uck to see a team like the colts win by doing it the right way.  You've basically admitted that you would prefer the colts one legitimate superbowl to the stain ridden, asterisk annotated superbowls of your cheating team's past.  

    Thanks for the peace of mind.
     
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    ud - Once again a retarded response from someone lost in the shadow of the Patriots.

    He didn't say anything that you claim he did. Those are conclusions you reached for to back up your pathological need to prove the Colts superior to the Pats. 

    I was tempted to be empathetic towards you earlier, but I've decided instead to pity you the fact that you root for an organization that cares nothing about its fan base or history.
     
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    Yep they are my conclusions and the colts are organizationally superior to the pats.  As for empathy for me, I don't need it.  Your recent pettiness (which defies your history) redefined you.  You are no better than some of the worst among you. 
     
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    Coming from a troll like you, I find your words complimentary.

    And, I really, really, really need to point out that I said I was tempted to empathize with you, but decided not to. Instead, I find you pitiable and everyone knows pity is one step above humiliation.
     
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    Yeah Underdogg, I felt for you earlier, but the inferiority complex is unbecoming.

    The only thing the Colts have done the right way this decade is win a staggering number of regular season games coupled with some staggering playoff collapses.

    Those asterisks you write of don't actually exist you D--bag. They're only there in the minds of crybabies who support teams that routinely fail to get it done. End of story.

    The Colts consistently choke because they got no balls. Proved it tonight. It was nice to see the Peyton Manning face again tonight. Something tells me we'll see it again real soon.

     
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    Ouch root.  Funny that you would find a pitiable human worthy of your time to engage in pitiable behavior.  Look in the mirror my friend.  Like what you see?  I'm sure its pathetic.

     
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    Awww, now you are just being a sore loser. You really should direct your anger and bad thinking toward the Colts organization. 
     
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    Perhaps tanking a game, or not trying your best to win is not illegal, but it sure doesn't seem right.  I'm aware that the Pats did this at the end of the 2005 season.  I probably wouldn't have a problem with it if all it determined was your first opponent, or had no impact at all.  However, when your intentional lack of effort impacts which teams even get into the playoffs, I think it chips away at the integrity of the game. 

    I don't know if this could happen without getting through the Pats, but poetic justice would be the Jets going to Indy and beating them in the playoffs.  A team Indy allowed into the playoffs beats them.  What if the seeding worked out that way?
     
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    Dogg, the Colts have been to the show once this decade, the Patriots have gone four times. If the goal of every organization in the NFL is to get to the SB and win it, how could you possibly say the Colts are a superior organization. It's non-sensical.
     
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    Root - nope my feelings are directed exactly in the right place.  Stay on subject.

    Caraway - I understand your point, but the schedule wasn't made in december and there were 3 months of football earlier in the year that allowed teams to determine their position when december came.  to somehow make the colts responsible for everyone of the 14 games each contending team played before the colts played today is ridiculous.  

    Juan it was a response to the non-sensical post that started this thread.
     
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    I almost wish the Pats had of "tanked" a game by pulling some starters after they wrapped up homefield back in 2007. If they had of lost 1 of those meaningless games at the end of the season I am sure they win the Superbowl. Anybody with even half a brain knows that the Pats didn't cheat with the spygate rubbish but I think we are drawing a very long bow by having a go at Indy for pulling players in meaningless games now. They have earned the right to do what they like this year by having the best record in the AFC. If they rest everyone now so be it. Lets concentrate on the Pats and them hopefully beating Indy if and when they meet again.

     
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    Underdogg- have  you read what the Colts own fans are saying? 
    <http://www.indystar.com/comments/article/20091228/SPORTS03/912280366/Colts-finally-incur-their-fans-wrath?s=d&gt;    Sometimes you simply have to do what is in your heart...wonder if a professional team ever tanked a game this late in a season to save themselves for the playoffs and lose out on an undefeated season? Please disabuse the angry masses who deem the Colts management decision as gutless, Mr dogg.
     
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    Last week I promised that I would say something nice about the Jests if they bounced Indy from the ranks of the undefeated and here it is (such as it is):

    The Colts were smart to pull some of their starters, particularly 18, against Green New Jersey, which does one thing as well as most teams in the league, and that is get after the quarterback. I am not generally in favor of laying down under any circumstances, and only Colt fan knows how badly he would have liked for the Colts to chase an undefeated season, but I like to believe a Tom Brady with two good ankles could have shredded Blue New Jersey two years ago. If the Pats were going to be 18-1, I suspect most Pats fans would prefer the loss be a meaningless regular season finale than the Super Bowl. Maybe that's just me. The world will never know, and I don't think it matters much to the Colts brain trust either way. Indy has made a habit of clinching early this last little while, and sending the scrubs out to mop up has been common practice for them. When the Colts essentially lay down, that usually affects some potential playoff team one way or another, and that simply can't be avoided.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe in this case, handing this game to Green New Jersery puts the Jests' playoff hopes in their own hands.

    How funny would it be if tanking this game leads to a playoff rematch the Colts also lose?
     
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    The colts should get in trouble for what they did. They tanked a game which affected many teams getting in the playoff. Bad move all the way
     
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    Mike - Who knows if it was smart.  - Yes, Manning did get hit significantly (late I might add) once in the game so that possibility exists.  The jets were out for blood and limbs with their hits as evidenced by Bart Scotts early, blatant of Brown.  And the colts were determined to play second stringers in the game.  They had to pull Manning to ensure his health given that he was throwing to back up receivers with back up linemen blocking.  The TE that let the jets d-end go on the hit and strip of Painter that caused the fumble/td was a backup. 

    The Jets do control their destiny and play cincy at home.  And frankly, if the jets got to the playoffs and won their first game (either against cincy again or NE), I am sure the colts would love to see them again.  Manning had them, but the execution was poor.  The blitzes were picked up and Wayne even got the best of Revis more times than expected. 

    I never want to predict anything, because the colts have failed plenty before, but the Colts have yet to see a team that scares them.  I can guarantee you that.
     
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    That was one of the most pathetic excuses for football this decade. The Colts intentionally tanking a perfect season should have consequences.
     
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    Tarka, this was not unlike what Belichick has also done, and I'd imagine we'll get 2-3 quarters of the starters next week as well.  Am I disappointed.  Yes.  Without a doubt.  And there is no way to appease the colts fans who are mad. 

    This is what I would tell the colts starters.  If you want wins, then win the game in the time the organization has alloted.  Its not as if the Jets are world beaters.  Don't give up kick return touchdowns even if there were a couple of holds on the play.  Give the receivers a better ball to catch and receivers if you touch the ball, then catch it. 

    The colts, imo, actually dominated the first half.  The close score was due only to their own miscues.  If the colts want to be special, then man up during the time they are given to play.
     
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    The Colts do NOT own integrity in spades.  What you have is EXACTLY what we have, which is your minor infractions have NOT been discovered.  we BOTH know they pump in crowd noise, which is a comptetive advantage.  the rules changes i will not include, its legal, just unfair.  Please dont sit on some high moral ground about a team that DESERTED their city, and snuck off to Indianapolis.  You screwed everyone in baltimore, and i live close to there and they STILL hate the owner and feel the team was stolen from them.  Polian?  please.  He has rubber pockets so he can steal soup.  Peyton is ok, though.  And they can find talent.  
     
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    Darn, how did you know about the undiscovered infractions?  The colts have had the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy under contract and locking up said infractrions for years.  How did you get to them?  

    re: the crowd noise pumping - your team's business partner, CBS, copped to the problem.  Although we do know that Belichick liked to soak his field then cover it so that it could not dry out. 

    re: rules changes - what rules changes?  This is a new one to me.  Please elaborate. 

    re: leaving Baltimore - I hope the gov't doesn't try to take your property for "the good of the city".  That's what Baltimore was contemplating, so why stick around. 

    re: polian - not sure I understand your analogy, but he can be an a ss, agreed.  But that really doesn't have anything to do with integrity.
     
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    The more I think about the Colts game, the more I am astounded at what they did.  I actually feel bad for the Colts players.
     
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    I am hopeless, but you started the thread, LOL.  Only pats fans looking for a way to defend Belichick's actions say his intentional disregard for the rules didn't matter.  If it didn't, why did he do it?  He needs to answer that, not you. 

    Yep the colts got a penalty benefit on the Hobbs call.  Did you conveniently forget that the pats got, not a call, but a highly questionable touchdown on Gaffney's one foot inbounds catch.  His inside foot was just inside the line.  No way his outside foot or his body comes down inbounds.  I know you forgot that.  The difference, the colts still had to score while the pats were given that score.

    No explanation for the polamolu call.  I was at the game and the refs blew it.  Calls that did not go in the colts favor - how about the hold on Welker's punt return this year.  How about the two holds on the jets kick return yesterday. How about Baltimore throwing the challenge flag but being allowed to pick it up without losing a timeout or challenging the play.  Would you like me to go on?  All of them had an effect on the game. 

    There was no intentionally throwing of the game, they sat starters to keep them healthy and you know it.  Belichick did the same. 

    As for rules changes, which rules change are you talking about?

    Grow up.
     
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    My two cents:

    The COLTS players did not tank in this game.  Those that played, played as hard as you would expect, but, when the Jets first team is playing against the Colts back-ups, who weren't in a mop up role, what did we expect to happen?  Painter did not stand their waiting for the Jets D to sack him, what happened to the Colts O-line once he was in for Manning?  What may have happened is like a shark feeding frenzy.  Once the Jets realized they were now playing against the second stringers, they went after it with more gusto.  They went for the brass ring the Colts were holding out for them to grab.  THAT, is what made this game even sadder.  The Jets come out "thinking" they BEAT the Colts!  They were handed a gift and I think the Bengals will bring them back to reality!
     

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