Standing Ovation

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    Brady has been mostly embarrassing in the postseason since 2007 except against teams with a bad D.




    In the playoffs since 2007 we have played 6 "top 10 Ds".

    He had 3 TDs, 0 INTs and 262 yards against the Jags.

    He had 2 TD, 1 INT and 299 yards vs the Jets.

    He had 3 TD, 0 INTs and 344 yards against the Texans.

    That's 8 TDs and 1 INT against half the top 10 D's he's played.

     

    So again you are shown to be a LIAR!

     

    Hey, tell us MegaFool, do you expect that QBs generally play better against the good Ds than the bad ones?

     

    Another day........ another bludgeoning of the village imbecile.

     

     
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    Agreed. The injuries are just legendary at this point. I've never seen a team lose their best starters right down the middle and continue to battle and play pretty well through some other injury issues.

    BB has to be in line for Coach of the Year.



    When your team is built around Tom Brady, a top 5 QB for his ENTIRE career, as long as you don't lose him, it's fine.  You bash Brady at every turn, but he's the reason why the team has won 10 games.  You're inability to recall the pre Brady days, makes you think that no team has ever had it as bad as the Patriots.  It's arrogant and pathetic all at the same time. In your twisted opinion, you think that the Pats have these top5 players at every position and it's so dreadful when they go down.  It's just not the case.  We're not talking about a team loaded with stars here, now or at the beginning of the season. Get over it and stop your freakin crying.




    I certainly appreciate what TB has done and what he continues to do, but the fact is that you can't honestly say that he is the reason that this team has won ten games, to this point.  He is as culpible as anyone on this team for some of the slow starts and poor play this year.  His overall play, this year, has been sub-standard, for him.  The one thing that I am most excited to see from him, this year though, are his strong finishes.  If he can keep that up in the playoffs then it's all good!  Hopefully, he can find a way to get it going before half the game is over, that's all.



    There is no other QB in the NFL currently that could have won that many games with this team.  You can't replace an entire receiving corps and then sustain the additional loss of players and expect that the offense would even be close to competent. He's underthrown, overthrown, missed, thrown some picks, fumbled and no one else in the NFL could have stepped in and done any better, IMO.  




    Now you know why I have that turkey on ignore. Hell, I don't even have you on ignore, so he has to be extra special bad.

     
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    But remember Meadow, a few years ago, 2008, around the time you were getting fitted for your first bra, Brady missed an entire season (he was hurt during the first game). And the Patriots won 11 games without him.

     

     

    You mean the year we missed the playoffs? The year the previously 1-15 Dolphins won the division? That year?


    And give us the list of teams with a winning record that the 2008 team didn't lose to. (We'll nix out the Cards who had clinched.)

    C'mon bright boy. Give us the whole story.

     
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    But remember Meadow, a few years ago, 2008, around the time you were getting fitted for your first bra, Brady missed an entire season (he was hurt during the first game). And the Patriots won 11 games without him.

     

     

    You mean the year we missed the playoffs? The year the previously 1-15 Dolphins won the division? That year?


    And give us the list of teams with a winning record that the 2008 team didn't lose to. (We'll nix out the Crads who had clinched.)

    C'mon bright boy. Give us the whole story.



    THe comment I was addressing was whether the Pats would be competative as reflected in having a competative season and generating a good number of wins. When Manning went down, for example, the COlts lost so many games they got the #1 pick in the draft. This year the Packers are CLEARLY an under .500 team without Rodgers - regardless of who their opponents are.

    When Brady went down the Pats won 11 games. In this passing era 11 and 5 is unheard of when losing a top 5 QB. You have to go back to earlier eras when being able to run and stop the run meant more. There are examples in those eras but even then only very few. 

    Also, because we were division winners the previous year we had a couple of extra games against other reaigning division winners (and so in theory not a cakewalk schedule).

    Like it or not going 11 -5 - especially in this passing league - when you lose your starting QB is saying something. Doing it when you have a top 3 QB and so even more cash into that one player than most teams have in their QB makes it that much harder on a roster with less money in it outside the starting QB. It is also a reflection on the character of the team to rise to the ocassion rather than fall flat like some teams do when they lose a Manning or a Rodgers...

     

    So yes, lets take an objective assessment. I am not arguing your point that Brady is a huge reason for the success of this team. But it is still a team sport. ANd BB keeps winning even when his star QB or ALL WORLD TE, or the center and heart of the D is gutted by losing three players 2 of which have high honors and high regard around the league.

    This is not a Brady v BB post. Like it or not it is not either or... it does not pretend to compare one to the other... 

     
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    Re: Standing Ovation

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    But remember Meadow, a few years ago, 2008, around the time you were getting fitted for your first bra, Brady missed an entire season (he was hurt during the first game). And the Patriots won 11 games without him.

     

     

    You mean the year we missed the playoffs? The year the previously 1-15 Dolphins won the division? That year?


    And give us the list of teams with a winning record that the 2008 team didn't lose to. (We'll nix out the Crads who had clinched.)

    C'mon bright boy. Give us the whole story.



    "The Crads"?

    You are just full of excuses aren't you, Diapers?

    Matt Cassel had not taken a snap in a competitive, live game in a DECADE. A DECADE.

    Since 1999.

    He came off the bench in Week 1 and didn't screw it up, and in fact, played very well. The team also had TWO west coast road trips, BACK TO BACK, which meant time zone travel back and forth in successive weeks, TWICE.

    That's about as difficult a series of road trips as ANY NFL team had that year.

    They went 3-1.  They lost in SD only, which at that time, they were loaded and a SB contender in their prime.

    And, finally, the 47-7 win over the "clinching Crads" was not a mirage. NE's offense was trending up and blasting teams in December and the D was also playing much better as  a unit.

    The Crads went to the SB and I would have LOVED to have seen us get a rematch as an underdog in Pitt that year for the title game.

    11-5 is very impressive in that context with Cassel not having played in a game in 10 years.

    FACT

     




    Jump on that typo Megatool. The tiny victories help ease the pain of your tremendous bludgeonings as of late (meaning for the last 4 years).

     

    I get that you like to blow a lot of hot air, but I'm still waiting to hear the list of winning teams that didn't beat that team.

     

    The schedule was a joke dumbkoff. Your lies and spin can't change that.

     

    And you can shove your "context" where your older gent "friend" likes to shove it.

     
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    But remember Meadow, a few years ago, 2008, around the time you were getting fitted for your first bra, Brady missed an entire season (he was hurt during the first game). And the Patriots won 11 games without him.

     

     

    You mean the year we missed the playoffs? The year the previously 1-15 Dolphins won the division? That year?


    And give us the list of teams with a winning record that the 2008 team didn't lose to. (We'll nix out the Crads who had clinched.)

    C'mon bright boy. Give us the whole story.



    "The Crads"?

    You are just full of excuses aren't you, Diapers?

    Matt Cassel had not taken a snap in a competitive, live game in a DECADE. A DECADE.

    Since 1999.

    He came off the bench in Week 1 and didn't screw it up, and in fact, played very well. The team also had TWO west coast road trips, BACK TO BACK, which meant time zone travel back and forth in successive weeks, TWICE.

    That's about as difficult a series of road trips as ANY NFL team had that year.

    They went 3-1.  They lost in SD only, which at that time, they were loaded and a SB contender in their prime.

    And, finally, the 47-7 win over the "clinching Crads" was not a mirage. NE's offense was trending up and blasting teams in December and the D was also playing much better as  a unit.

    The Crads went to the SB and I would have LOVED to have seen us get a rematch as an underdog in Pitt that year for the title game.

    11-5 is very impressive in that context with Cassel not having played in a game in 10 years.

    FACT

     



    ALL true. AND - (this is for you Babe) - consider the play and the record of Cassel SINCE that year. BB coached that roster, that team with a guy who had not started since HIGH SCHOOL and who was a young player in the NFL and who has essentially shown since that he is NOT starting material let alone able to QB an average team to 8 and 8.

    In reflection that year is very telling.

    And still this is NOT a Brady v BB thing AT ALL. 

     
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    Yeah, because our offense sucked!!!  The all time greatest offense sucks when it matters most and you're proud of that?

    Take your pink hat and leave.




    Yeah, because of the god awful o-line in that game. You think NY had anything to do with that? No, it was all Brady's fault, right? Loser.

     
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    But remember Meadow, a few years ago, 2008, around the time you were getting fitted for your first bra, Brady missed an entire season (he was hurt during the first game). And the Patriots won 11 games without him.

     

     

    You mean the year we missed the playoffs? The year the previously 1-15 Dolphins won the division? That year?


    And give us the list of teams with a winning record that the 2008 team didn't lose to. (We'll nix out the Crads who had clinched.)

    C'mon bright boy. Give us the whole story.




    You are just full of excuses aren't you, Diapers?

     

    ^ This is priceless. He claims I'm full of excuses.

    Then goes on below to make a post full of excuses.......     because he can't answer the simple question of, what winning teams didn't beat that team that year.

     

    Matt Cassel had not taken a snap in a competitive, live game in a DECADE. A DECADE.

    Since 1999.

    He came off the bench in Week 1 and didn't screw it up, and in fact, played very well. The team also had TWO west coast road trips, BACK TO BACK, which meant time zone travel back and forth in successive weeks, TWICE.

    That's about as difficult a series of road trips as ANY NFL team had that year.

    They went 3-1.  They lost in SD only, which at that time, they were loaded and a SB contender in their prime.

    And, finally, the 47-7 win over the "clinching Crads" was not a mirage. NE's offense was trending up and blasting teams in December and the D was also playing much better as  a unit.

    The Crads went to the SB and I would have LOVED to have seen us get a rematch as an underdog in Pitt that year for the title game.

    11-5 is very impressive in that context with Cassel not having played in a game in 10 years.

    FACT

     


    So fun to bludgeon the village imbecile.

     

     
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    Brady would need to finish strong. I'd put Foles above Brady at this point. The 19 TDs in the amount of games he's played with 0 INTs has been impressive for such a young QB.

    Cam Newton should be in that discussion, too.

     



    nah, 1. Manning 2. Brady 3. Wilson 4. Cam

    its Most Valuable Player. i think if ryan mallet was starting this year we'd be 4-9 tops



    Brady 2?

    Foles rescued the bust Vick who just threw his first INT this past weekend in a blizzard for the ages. 20 TDs, 1 INT in ten games! That's pretty insane and clearly better than Brady's production.

    He's played in less games, has less talent around him on a crappier team and has almost as many TDs at this point.

    Manning, Foles, Newton.

     



    less talent? DeSean Jackson, LeSean McCoy? really? less talent? nah and that 1 int is a joke because there have been atleast 4-5 balls thrown into double coverage or at DBs that have not been picked. he also been lucky..



    I thought the same thing, Rusty you're clearly mentally ill or selectively so. Foles is having a great season no doubt but to say that he has less talent than Brady is crazy. Which position on the offense are the Pats more talented than the Eagles?  



    TE, OL.

    Foles is a 2nd year QB!  How many 2nd year/1st time off the bench starting QBs have failed when they get the chance with some talent? Pretty much every one!

    Jesus.  20 TDs and 1 INT in 10 games is insane production.

     

     



    The Patriots O-line has not been good! You probably still think Solder is the best LT in the AFC. LMAO@U

 
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    11-5 is very impressive in that context with Cassel not having played in a game in 10 years.

    FACT

     



    I was impressed. That doesn't change the fact that the scedule was a joke MegaFool.

     
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    When the Patriots suck it up you say that its not BB's fault because he doesn't play the games but when they win its all him. You're such a toolchest.

    Remember on the game thread when you said, "How can someone be outcoached when they don't play the games." Bwahahahahah

     
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    ALL true. AND - (this is for you Babe) - consider the play and the record of Cassel SINCE that year.



    Okay, lets.

    Cassel went on to have a pro-bowl season in 2010 with the Chiefs.

    Give me the list of teams with a winning record that 2010 Chiefs team beat?

    It was the same weak weak weak schedule as the 2008 year.

    Cassel is a very lucky guy. He's a multi-millionaire with merely backup talent.

    Of course I said exactly that when he left here, as others were wanting to replace Brady with him. Told people he would flop in KC. They were all up in arms when he had the easy 2010 year. But they are quiet now.

     
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    But remember Meadow, a few years ago, 2008, around the time you were getting fitted for your first bra, Brady missed an entire season (he was hurt during the first game). And the Patriots won 11 games without him.

     

     

    You mean the year we missed the playoffs? The year the previously 1-15 Dolphins won the division? That year?


    And give us the list of teams with a winning record that the 2008 team didn't lose to. (We'll nix out the Crads who had clinched.)

    C'mon bright boy. Give us the whole story.



    THe comment I was addressing was whether the Pats would be competative as reflected in having a competative season and generating a good number of wins. When Manning went down, for example, the COlts lost so many games they got the #1 pick in the draft. This year the Packers are CLEARLY an under .500 team without Rodgers - regardless of who their opponents are.

    When Brady went down the Pats won 11 games. In this passing era 11 and 5 is unheard of when losing a top 5 QB. You have to go back to earlier eras when being able to run and stop the run meant more. There are examples in those eras but even then only very few. 

    Also, because we were division winners the previous year we had a couple of extra games against other reaigning division winners (and so in theory not a cakewalk schedule).

    Like it or not going 11 -5 - especially in this passing league - when you lose your starting QB is saying something. Doing it when you have a top 3 QB and so even more cash into that one player than most teams have in their QB makes it that much harder on a roster with less money in it outside the starting QB. It is also a reflection on the character of the team to rise to the ocassion rather than fall flat like some teams do when they lose a Manning or a Rodgers...

     

    So yes, lets take an objective assessment. I am not arguing your point that Brady is a huge reason for the success of this team. But it is still a team sport. ANd BB keeps winning even when his star QB or ALL WORLD TE, or the center and heart of the D is gutted by losing three players 2 of which have high honors and high regard around the league.

    This is not a Brady v BB post. Like it or not it is not either or... it does not pretend to compare one to the other... 




    You cover a lot here. I'll one-line the major points.

     

    The Colts sucked for Luck and had a joke backup.

     

    2008 Pats D is far better than the 2013 Pack D, and they are playing musical chairs at QB; Rodgers isn't missing the whole year.

     

    The 2008 team won 11 games against the same schedule the previously 1-15 Dolphins won the division on; Pennington went 0-3 the following year with a 20+ point lower PR.

     

    Yeah, we had a couple of tough opponents in 2008, and we lost to all of them.

     

    We won 11 games (and still missed the playoffs) because the schedule was a joke.

     

    That is all. No amount of spin in the world will change that reality.

     
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