State of balance.

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    Re: State of balance.

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     You just don't want to admit you were wrong about balance and are now trying to spin it to make it seem like you were right all along



    Look in the mirror. You're talking about yourself.

    A 1 play in 20 change to the running game is not a major adjustment.

    A nearly 25% improvement in the production of the lead back is substantial though.



    I think that goes without saying. 

    Who would seriously argue that if Ridley were creeping along with a 3.7 YPC that BB would be giving him extra carries?

    The fact that he earns carries makes that happen. I mean, really, there is actually a QUOTE from Bill HIMSELF discussing this. He says point blank .... we would have given more carries last season if the RBs were more productive with their carries.

    How is this even a debate?!??!?!?!




    It is a debate because people have notions chiseled in stone that 1000 tons of dynamite called facts and common sense cannot budge.



    It's not even about facts or common sense. 

    Bill Belichik ANSWERED the QUESTION. To the MEDIA. It's out there. I'm not even going to look for it. 

    He literally was like "I haven't seen Corey Dillon out there."




    This is what I don't get about these posters....They put all the blame on O'Brien for not running the ball more. Ultimately its BB's call! Why continue to ignore this?

     
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    Re: State of balance.

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     You just don't want to admit you were wrong about balance and are now trying to spin it to make it seem like you were right all along



    Look in the mirror. You're talking about yourself.

    A 1 play in 20 change to the running game is not a major adjustment.

    A nearly 25% improvement in the production of the lead back is substantial though.



    I think that goes without saying. 

    Who would seriously argue that if Ridley were creeping along with a 3.7 YPC that BB would be giving him extra carries?

    The fact that he earns carries makes that happen. I mean, really, there is actually a QUOTE from Bill HIMSELF discussing this. He says point blank .... we would have given more carries last season if the RBs were more productive with their carries.

    How is this even a debate?!??!?!?!




    It is a debate because people have notions chiseled in stone that 1000 tons of dynamite called facts and common sense cannot budge.



    It's not even about facts or common sense. 

    Bill Belichik ANSWERED the QUESTION. To the MEDIA. It's out there. I'm not even going to look for it. 

    He literally was like "I haven't seen Corey Dillon out there."




    This is what I don't get about these posters....They put all the blame on O'Brien for not running the ball more. Ultimately its BB's call! Why continue to ignore this?



    I'm not even talking about BB vs Obrien. 

    Just talking about why they didn't run BJGE. He didn't earn the rushes. 

    And it isn't alike a coach says, you stink no more rushes. 

    It's like this. 

    A playbook has plays scripted for down and distance and segmented based on that. 

    If you run terribly on 1st down and second down, and wind up in 2nd and long and 3rd and long, you don't even get a chance to run again because the number of running plays are less and less for each down and distance. 

    The Patriots are converting to 1st down 10% better than last season from the run. That stat tells you a whole lot. They are getting .5 YPC more in the open field and .2 more at the second level. That tells you a lot. The running backs are just doing more.  

     

     
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    Re: State of balance.

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     You just don't want to admit you were wrong about balance and are now trying to spin it to make it seem like you were right all along



    Look in the mirror. You're talking about yourself.

    A 1 play in 20 change to the running game is not a major adjustment.

    A nearly 25% improvement in the production of the lead back is substantial though.



    I think that goes without saying. 

    Who would seriously argue that if Ridley were creeping along with a 3.7 YPC that BB would be giving him extra carries?

    The fact that he earns carries makes that happen. I mean, really, there is actually a QUOTE from Bill HIMSELF discussing this. He says point blank .... we would have given more carries last season if the RBs were more productive with their carries.

    How is this even a debate?!??!?!?!




    It is a debate because people have notions chiseled in stone that 1000 tons of dynamite called facts and common sense cannot budge.



    It's not even about facts or common sense. 

    Bill Belichik ANSWERED the QUESTION. To the MEDIA. It's out there. I'm not even going to look for it. 

    He literally was like "I haven't seen Corey Dillon out there."




    Not only that, but none other than wozzy posted a quote from BB (after the Raiders game) saying he wanted more balance and effective running would allow him that.

    It's unfathomable but true that the obvious is still debated.

     
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    Re: State of balance.

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    If you can't see the difference in how teams play NE between this year and last you are daft. 

    Benny never threatened or concerned any defense NE ever presented him too. And he could never exploit the same seams that were there that Ridley and co explode into. 

    The addition of Lloyd, who draws attention at the edge, and Ridley who can actually take advantage of running behind these WR/TEs full time has made the offense more diverse.

    In the end, though, the team record is the same. The offensive scoring (minus defensive and special teams scores) is the same. 

    The benefit will be when NE matches up against teams that can control the middle of the field well, like the Giants, et al. So you can't really see the difference the added versatility makes. 

    Btw, Brady throws more TDs on play action every single season of his career. It's how this offense is structured. That stat is no big change at all. 

    Most importantly, because the whole argument was structured around the "defense" being better off because they ran more ... the defense is actually worse at this point than it was last season. 

    All in all, a nominal total impact. But one that might be felt depending on who NE draws down the road. 



    After the second game this season against Arizona, their defensive coordinator pointed out that the Pat's offense was telegraphing their play calls and had been for years, the opposing defense knew when they would run and when they would pass depending if Brady was under center or not.  

    Sorry, did I make that up?  No, that actually happened.  

    McDaniel's is breaking up bad habits that have formed since he left the first time years ago, getting back to ground and pound mixed with spread formations, becoming less predictable.

    To some it's always the players; coaches seemingly just sit around on game day and let their players do what they will, or better yet the head coach is doing everything.  

    This doesn't explain how specialists in the NFL of either offensive or defensive play calling/coaching always seem to be successful wherever they go and get paid large sums of money to be there?  

    Nobody here will address why a 21 year old signal caller got the job first in 07' before many much older, more tenured coaches ahead of him...  could it be natural talent and attention to detail?  

    Yeah I'll take that over the players weren't good enough, if that were the problem they would have rode Ridely through last year's playoffs, they would have rode Law Firm when he was averaging 4.5 YPC in 2010 instead of sitting him for the 1st round bounce, they would have run... regardless who was playing.

    A good carpenter doesn't blame his tools and offensive ineptitude in the playoffs ends this year with balance.  Can I see the difference in this year's offense, yes I can.  So will you if you only open your eyes...

     

     
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    Re: State of balance.

    All I know is we should cut Danny Woodhead and Shane Vareen asap as they average 3.7 ypc, which going by the logic of fans here means they SUK BAD.

    This year is proving that when you have the best QB in the game, you CAN in fact have a great run game as well. We have ran the ball about 60 times less then ALL of last year with 5 games to be played despite....wait for it.....only averaging .3 ypc more.

    I guess this is the type of increase in production Babe and 2 or 3 other guys say we needed in order to commit to running the football.

    We have the same 3 guys on the roster as we had last year. Bill Obrien (or coach Belichick if you are of the opinion that he calls all plays on both sides of the ball at all times) could have ran the ball this much last year....it just wasn't in the game plan.

     
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    Re: State of balance.

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    Nobody here will address why a 21 year old signal caller got the job first in 07' before many much older, more tenured coaches ahead of him...  could it be natural talent and attention to detail?  

     



    I've explained that a number of times. BB likes to promote inexperienced yes men instead of hiring the best in the game because they would rightly demand their share of power. BB is a bit paranoid from all indications.

    It's not like McD in general or BB as a HC have been other than a failure without Brady in the picture.

     

     
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    All I know is we should cut Danny Woodhead and Shane Vareen asap as they average 3.7 ypc, which going by the logic of fans here means they SUK BAD.

     


    They are backups. They aren't the lead back getting 3.7 a haul.

     
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    All I know is we should cut Danny Woodhead and Shane Vareen asap as they average 3.7 ypc, which going by the logic of fans here means they SUK BAD.

    This year is proving that when you have the best QB in the game, you CAN in fact have a great run game as well. We have ran the ball about 60 times less then ALL of last year with 5 games to be played despite....wait for it.....only averaging .3 ypc more.

    I guess this is the type of increase in production Babe and 2 or 3 other guys say we needed in order to commit to running the football.

    We have the same 3 guys on the roster as we had last year. Bill Obrien (or coach Belichick if you are of the opinion that he calls all plays on both sides of the ball at all times) could have ran the ball this much last year....it just wasn't in the game plan.




    Absolutely no one is of this opinion; however, I am of the opinion that if something drastically needs to be changed, BB will step in. All plays at all times? Exaggerate much?

     
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    This year is proving that when you have the best QB in the game, you CAN in fact have a great run game as well. We have ran the ball about 60 times less then ALL of last year with 5 games to be played despite....wait for it.....only averaging .3 ypc more.

     



    As I have stated. We run 1 more time in 20 this year. Plain and simple.

    And our lead back is getting nearly 25% more production than Benny did.

    He already has 272 yards more with 5 games left to play than Benny did!

     
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    We have the same 3 guys on the roster as we had last year. Bill Obrien (or coach Belichick if you are of the opinion that he calls all plays on both sides of the ball at all times) could have ran the ball this much last year....it just wasn't in the game plan.



    BB was quite clear that if he had Dillon like talent to run with he would give him the ball 300 times. Ridley is on pace for 299.63 carries. Any more questions?

     
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    I have to go to the gym, feel free to pile on while I'm gone.

    I'm sure the rest of the pass happy contingent will as well.  I welcome your attempts at telling us why 2007 and this year's offense, both of which were balanced, is a result of Tom Brady just being dialed in while the running game plays no part in it.




     
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    Well, as was stated over and over last season and this, if the running is more effective BB has said he will do it more. Common sense.

    This year's 11th best running is clearly more effective than last year's 24th best running, so we have done more of it, just like BB said we would.

    So we are running the ball 6 times more a game this year, or about 1-2 times more per quarter. The .3 ypc more we have gained this season has been effective enough to justify running it somewhat more.  Though it should be noted we are passing just as much as last season (~ 38 per game).




     
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    Re: State of balance.

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    Nobody here will address why a 21 year old signal caller got the job first in 07' before many much older, more tenured coaches ahead of him...  could it be natural talent and attention to detail?  

     



    I've explained that a number of times. BB likes to promote inexperienced yes men instead of hiring the best in the game because they would rightly demand their share of power. BB is a bit paranoid from all indications.

    It's not like McD in general or BB as a HC have been other than a failure without Brady in the picture.

     



    More BB hatred from Babe, I could set my watch to it....

    Newsflash buddy, Michigan didn't win a national championship under Brady, in fact he was a part time starter... so hows he doing without Belichick?

     

     
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    Re: State of balance.

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    I've explained that a number of times. BB likes to promote inexperienced yes men instead of hiring the best in the game because they would rightly demand their share of power. BB is a bit paranoid from all indications.

    It's not like McD in general or BB as a HC have been other than a failure without Brady in the picture.

     


    Proving my point that you're a BB hating troll.  Probably the same person as Rusty. Can't wait for the ignore button to return.

     
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    Re: State of balance.

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    Nobody here will address why a 21 year old signal caller got the job first in 07' before many much older, more tenured coaches ahead of him...  could it be natural talent and attention to detail?  

     



    I've explained that a number of times. BB likes to promote inexperienced yes men instead of hiring the best in the game because they would rightly demand their share of power. BB is a bit paranoid from all indications.

    It's not like McD in general or BB as a HC have been other than a failure without Brady in the picture.

     



    I guess that's what he did in Cleveland as well. Even though 75% of his staff went on to have very successful careers elsewhere. He just needs a bunch of yes men around him as you say who don't challenge his opinions. Even though he is famous for letting his coaches coach and implores them to challenge him at all times.

    The more I read your posts the more I realize you know very little about Bill Belichick, and the 1 thing I am sure of is that you are a Bill Belichick hater.

     
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    Re: State of balance.

    is it "balance", like 50-50 - or is it more "unpredictability" of play calling; which may use different kinds of pass plays, run plays, play action...

    In addition, others have previously stated that the coaches have to exploit whatever defensive weaknesses are there and mis-matches - AND to be able to quickly change when they realize that whatever they were using doesn't work anymore.

     
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    Balance doesn't always have to be a statistics argument.  Balance can = unpredictabiltiy in my mind.  The Pats run more to finish out games than they have over the past few years.  They can do so because they have the threat of a running game.  Look at the teams that have gone with small personnel to combat the pass based on past tendencies.  What have the Pats done?  Beat them at their own game, or run right over them.  At times when they need a run game to get a key first down, they have it.  This offense looks as potent as it did in '07 when Brady threw 50 TDs.  

     
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    Re: State of balance.

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     You just don't want to admit you were wrong about balance and are now trying to spin it to make it seem like you were right all along



    Look in the mirror. You're talking about yourself.

    A 1 play in 20 change to the running game is not a major adjustment.

    A nearly 25% improvement in the production of the lead back is substantial though.



    I think that goes without saying. 

    Who would seriously argue that if Ridley were creeping along with a 3.7 YPC that BB would be giving him extra carries?

    The fact that he earns carries makes that happen. I mean, really, there is actually a QUOTE from Bill HIMSELF discussing this. He says point blank .... we would have given more carries last season if the RBs were more productive with their carries.

    How is this even a debate?!??!?!?!




    It is a debate because people have notions chiseled in stone that 1000 tons of dynamite called facts and common sense cannot budge.



    It's not even about facts or common sense. 

    Bill Belichik ANSWERED the QUESTION. To the MEDIA. It's out there. I'm not even going to look for it. 

    He literally was like "I haven't seen Corey Dillon out there."




    This is what I don't get about these posters....They put all the blame on O'Brien for not running the ball more. Ultimately its BB's call! Why continue to ignore this?




    BB is no the OC, so you're wrong.  He can stop what he doesn't like or interject, sure. But, he doesn't call the plays. The OC does.

    Now, BB as a defensive coach, is more heavily involved with the D, yes. We see it plenty on the sidelines every game.

     




    C'mon junior. BB is obviously heavily involved with the game planning and is fully capable of letting his OC know he wants more running not only during a game but in general.

     
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