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    State of balance

    Below is an article that actually represents the "State of balance" and what it can do for a great QB.

    Points of interest in this article: The Patriots lead the league in rushing td's with 18. Stevan Ridley has 8, meaning the entire RB core is being utilized.

    Now we have changed our offensive philosophy. BB and McD are utilizing the entire Rb core to produce what might become the undisputed best offense in NFL history.

    Yes Ridley is better then Benny, but that shouldn't have stopped a team last year from being one dimesnioanl with their offensive play  calling. Ridley was on this team last year and averaged over 5 ypc as Z alludes to above.

     

    Also note below that this offense as a few of us has said DOES NOT NEED A DEEP THREAT, and only needed to COMMIT to a running game....yeah I went all caps on your assssss.

     

    And Yes Brady's 3 INT's are a direct result of dedication and addition of actual drafted(higher chance of success) RB's on the roster. Just as 2010 and the balanced attack helped lead Brady to only 4 INT's and an MVP award.

    Half the amount of 3 and outs as 2007's aerial attack.

    Best turnover differential in the NFL.

    Most rushing tds and 2nd most passing in the NFL.

    And we have not needed the field stretchers as we are 1st in plays over 10 yards in the NFL.

    3rd in rushing and 3rd in passing plays over 10 yards = BALANCE.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    After putting up 108 points in their past two games, the New England Patriots are currently averaging more points per game (37) than they did in their historic 2007 season (36.8).

    The Patriots are on pace for the second-highest scoring average in NFL history, trailing only the 1950 Los Angeles Rams (38.8).

    Could a team that started 3-3 really exceed the scoring output of the illustrious 16-0 Patriots from five years ago?

    In 2007, Tom Brady had arguably the greatest season in NFL history, while Randy Moss attacked the receiving record books.

    No significant individual records will be broken in 2012. So how are the Patriots on track to average even more points?

    It seems spurious to question the explosiveness of any team averaging 37 points, but the 2012 Patriots lack downfield speedsters like Moss, Donte' Stallworth and Jabar Gaffney.

    But could this offense actually be better than the one that rewrote the record book?

     

    How the points are scored

     

    To say the 2012 Patriots are outscoring the 2007 Patriots is a true statement. But the 2007 offense actually averaged more points than this version is.

    SportsNation

    Which Patriots team is better?

    Seven of New England's 49 touchdowns (14 percent) in 2012 have been scored by the special teams or defense. In 2007, eight of the team's 75 touchdowns (10.7 percent) came on returns.

    In other words, it might be a mistake to compare the 2007 and 2012 offenses on the basis of points alone.

    This season's offense is on track for six fewer touchdowns than the offense had in 2007. The difference has been return touchdowns and field goals.

    Only the Chicago Bears (eight) have more return touchdowns this season. The Patriots are on track to set a franchise record (10).

    New England's non-offensive touchdowns are a slight indictment of the greatness of the offense, at least when compared to 2007's, yet the scoring distribution has been remarkable.

    The Patriots lead the NFL with 18 rushing touchdowns, are tied for second with 24 passing touchdowns and rank second with seven return touchdowns.

     

    Pace through 11 games

     

    Even though the Patriots are on track to score more points than the 2007 team, they are actually behind where that team was through 11 games.

    In 2007, the Patriots had scored 442 points through 11 games, the most in NFL history. This year's team has 35 fewer points -- or more than three per game.

    In fact, both the 2000 Rams (412) and 2009 Saints (407) equaled or bettered New England's current total through 11 games.

    The Patriots averaged 29.4 points per game over the final five games of 2007 -- an otherwise impressive scoring rate.

    The 2012 team has seen its scoring total inflated by a pair of 50-plus point outputs. Without another one, maintaining the current scoring pace would be a tall order.

     

    Achieving a balanced attack

     

    The best case for the 2012 offense over the 2007 offense focuses on balance.

    In 2007, Laurence Maroney led the Patriots with 835 rushing yards and six rushing touchdowns. The team averaged 115.6 rushing yards per game and scored 18 rushing touchdowns.

    This season, Stevan Ridley (939 rushing yards, eight rushing touchdowns) has already exceeded Maroney's season. The Patriots are averaging 143.7 rushing yards per game and have already matched the 2007 rushing touchdown total.

    The addition of a rushing attack differentiates the 2012 Patriots from the aerial attack of 2007.

    New England is on track to be the second team in NFL history -- joining that prolific 1950 Rams team -- to average 140 rushing yards and 300 passing yards per game.

    Ridley is on track for more than 1,300 rushing yards, while Brady is on track for just under 4,800 passing yards.

    The only teammates to reach both of those milestones in the same season were Kurt Warner and Marshall Faulk with the 2001 Rams.

    The Patriots' balanced attack hasn't come at the expense of big plays. They lead the NFL with 188 plays of 10-or-more yards. That puts them on track for 48 more 10-yard plays than they had in 2007.

    Whereas the 2007 team ranked 21st in big rushing plays, this year's rushing attack has the third-most 10-yard plays.

     

    The rest of the numbers

     

    Points are not the only numbers that support the greatness of the 2012 Patriots' offense.

     

    The Patriots have only 11 three-and-out drives this season and are on pace for the lowest three-and-out percentage in the NFL in at least the past 15 seasons. In 2007, the Patriots went three-and-out almost twice as often.

    New England has converted 53 percent of its third downs, which is on track to be the third-highest rate in the NFL over the past 20 years. With a tip of cap to the running game, that includes an NFL-best 70.2 percent on third-and-short.

     

     
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    Many of us here have been posting about needing to focus on the running game for years. We thought it was a mistake to rely exclusively on Brady's amazing ability alone. The Rb roster we had the past 5 years was a direct reflection on the offensive philosophy of a spread aerial attack.

    An injured Maroney, Lamont Jordan, Sammy Morris, 33 year old K Faulk, and 2 undrafted FA's have toted the rock during the reign of the spread. This pass heavy offense scored lots of points but has proven to be limited by good defense's and also hurts field position and T.O.P.

    For those of you that excuse Bill obriens play calling because BJGE averaged 3.7 ypc last year I say you are blind to the truth. We had other options but we didn't use them either. We chose to be one dimensional. Another point of interest is that BJGE as limited as he was speed wise, averaged 4.4 ypc in 2010 and averaged 4.3 ypc the 1st half of 2010 before he suffered the turf toe injury. While I wasn't personally happy we had 2 un drafted FA RB's as our 2 starters I still felt they were good enough to be used for a balanced(unpredictable) attack in order to keep the defense honest.

    Now we are witnessing what BB has done in drafting two highly coveted Rb's and adding another bruiser in Bolden, and a scat back in Woody. A little over due imo but he brought in the horses and brought in a O.C who will utilize them.

    A great time for Patriots nation.

     
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    Re: State of balance

    I thought a very telling tidbit from the article was the following:

    New England has converted 53 percent of its third downs, which is on track to be the third-highest rate in the NFL over the past 20 years. With a tip of cap to the running game, that includes an NFL-best 70.2 percent on third-and-short.


    Balance is also about when you're running, not just that your run/pass splits are even.  It used to be that the short pass was used as a complement or extension to the running game.  I'll take pounding the ball any day.

     
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    Ding ding ding we have a winner!!!! Congratulations, TC, this is the one millionth version of this thread! You will be the envy of your coworkers with this sharp tie and mousepad!

     

     
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    Re: State of balance

    In response to TrueChamp's comment:

    Many of us here have been posting about needing to focus on the running game for years. We thought it was a mistake to rely exclusively on Brady's amazing ability alone. The Rb roster we had the past 5 years was a direct reflection on the offensive philosophy of a spread aerial attack.

    An injured Maroney, Lamont Jordan, Sammy Morris, 33 year old K Faulk, and 2 undrafted FA's have toted the rock during the reign of the spread. This pass heavy offense scored lots of points but has proven to be limited by good defense's and also hurts field position and T.O.P.

    For those of you that excuse Bill obriens play calling because BJGE averaged 3.7 ypc last year I say you are blind to the truth. We had other options but we didn't use them either. We chose to be one dimensional. Another point of interest is that BJGE as limited as he was speed wise, averaged 4.4 ypc in 2010 and averaged 4.3 ypc the 1st half of 2010 before he suffered the turf toe injury. While I wasn't personally happy we had 2 un drafted FA RB's as our 2 starters I still felt they were good enough to be used for a balanced(unpredictable) attack in order to keep the defense honest.

    Now we are witnessing what BB has done in drafting two highly coveted Rb's and adding another bruiser in Bolden, and a scat back in Woody. A little over due imo but he brought in the horses and brought in a O.C who will utilize them.

    A great time for Patriots nation.



    Did the Patriots choose to be one dimensional...or was it their only option cuz the RBs didn't have the talent.  BJGE rarely broke one over 10 yards. Plus, BJGE had one breakout season because of Crumpler.

     
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    Re: State of balance

    O'Brien didn't seem to have any problem running the ball at Penn State this season.

     
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    Ding ding ding we have a winner!!!! Congratulations, TC, this is the one millionth version of this thread! You will be the envy of your coworkers with this sharp tie and mousepad!

     




    Well, that is a power tie so...

     
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    Re: State of balance

    Z, I will respond in bold my friend.

     

     

    posted at 11/28/2012 04:29:58 EST

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    The 2007 offense scored more points than this offense has. And the 2011 offense scored about the same amount of points. Also, NE has run more spread this season than they did last season  ... a whole boatload more as a matter of fact. So, I'm unclear where you are going with this. 

     

    Wrong...

    I'm not sure where you get your numbers from. Perhaps we are using a "spread" formation with Brady under center and this is what you are referencing...but I doubt it... because clearly we are using less shotgun and more "power sets"

    See below, this is current from our friend Reiss over at espn....

     

     

    Brady & shotgun tracker, Week 12 November, 28, 2012 Nov 28 10:00 AM ET By Mike Reiss | ESPNBoston.com Continuing to monitor the trend of Brady and the shotgun snap -- which has been utilized less this season than past years -- let's update the numbers after wins over the Colts and Jets:

    Usage of the shotgun
    at Jets: 20 of 68 (2 runs, 16 passes, 2 Jets pre-snap penalties)
    vs. Colts: 21 of 61 (0 runs, 21 passes)
    vs. Bills: 38 of 72 (6 runs, 32 passes)
    at Rams: 36 of 69 (4 runs, 32 passes)
    vs. Jets: 42 of 80 (6 runs, 36 passes)
    at Seahawks: 60 of 87 (7 runs, 52 passes, 1 false start)
    vs. Broncos:
    45 of 94 (7 runs, 37 passes, 1 false start)
    at Bills: 30 of 77 (6 runs, 24 passes)
    at Ravens: 41 of 82 (6 runs, 34 passes, 1 fumbled snap)
    vs. Cardinals: 47 of 82 (9 runs, 38 passes)
    at Titans: 13 of 67 (0 runs, 13 passes)

    On the season, when including penalties, the Patriots have been in the shotgun 46.8 percent of the time (393 of 839). That is a lower percentage than the norm and reflects, from this view, a commitment to the running game that hasn't been as consistent in the past.

     

    The "score" total you are adding includes defensive TDs, safeties, etc. 

    2007 - 34ppg

    2011 - 31 ppg

    2012 - 33 ppg

    All told, three really good offenses. But I'm not sure how you can draw a conclusion (especially with five weeks and the two toughest defenses NE will face left to go) from such a narrow difference. It appears like six of one half a dozen of the other. Well ... I am pretty sure you can draw a conclusion if it is the conclusion you want to draw, but then the numbers really don't matter. 

    I'm not sure if I even mentioned the higher scoring rate in my post(don't think so) The reason I posted this was to show how our offense is better/more efficient with a commitment to the run game.

    The conclusion is...and remember this offense is showing improvement compared to the 2007 heavy SG offense that many consider to be the best in history.

    1. more yards per game

    2. higher 3rd down conversion rate.

    3. half of % of 3 and outs

    4. 4 more plays of 10 yards per game or more. That is without the deep threat that you and others here have been screaming for. The deep threat myself and others have said we didn't need.

    5. less turnovers and the best turnover differential in the league.

    6. I can't find the stats on this but I am willing to bet that even with the hurry up we have a better T.O.P then 07, and last year.

    The rest of your post rests on the pure speculation that BJGE would be doing as well as Ridley. It's pretty clear (to me) he would not be ... because he never had and never has.  BB getting rid of him was one of his better personell decisions in recent years for the offense. He was a slug. 

    He was an undrafted FA in a split time role that rushed for 1,700 yards and 24 tds at a 10 carry per game average. Him being here was due to our over reliance on the down field passing attack and not enough commitment to the run game. How else do we get 2 undrafted FA RB's as our starters for 2 years???

    I would take this offense, BTW, over 2007 and 2011, FWIW. But not because it's more "balanced" but because it has more talent, period. 

    Talent needs opportunity to succeed bud. We have the same running back core as we did last year. Ridley, Vareen, Woodhead and some undrafted over acheiving FA RB from Mississippi. The difference is we use them all this season, and didn't last.

    The RBs are better than 2007 and so are the TEs. 

    And the WRs and RBs (now that Ridley is broken in) are better than 2011.

     
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    Re: State of balance

    The Pats are running on 45.7% of their plays compared with 40.5% last year.  So they are somewhat more balanced, though it's not quite as drastic a change as some seem to think. It amounts to 3 or 4 more running plays per game on average. Clearly the results of the running game are better, but it's not quite so clear whether the reason for that improvement is a change in play design and play calling or better talent.  

    As far as the consequences of having a better running game, those too are a bit exaggerated. Taking out defensive and special teams TDs, the Pats offense is scoring about 1.3 points per game more than last year (32.0 rather than 30.7).  So while there's some improvement, it's marginal.  

    The fact is this year's offense is very good and last year's was too.  I really don't understand why a certain set of posters seem to be so vested in saying that last year's offense was terrible and this year's vastly improved.  The reality is the offense was very good last year and remains very good this year. 

     
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    I think a lot of people felt Ridley was better last year. Despite not playing much Ridley had the three longest runs and was gaining another yard per carry  than BJGE. I was hoping Ridley would play in the Super Bowl but BB must have felt his fumbles were too much of a risk with the stakes that high.  I also agree that a running game is much more important than having the "deep threat"

     
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    Nice thread Champ, this offense is easily better than the 2007 version. No way would the Giants or any other team shut it down. They needed to work the kinks out earlier in the season but it looks like they are on point now.

     
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    Nice thread Champ, this offense is easily better than the 2007 version. No way would the Giants or any other team shut it down. They needed to work the kinks out earlier in the season but it looks like they are on point now.



    Disagree, you have to at least wait until the rest of this season has played out before making the comparison. The 2007 team's run game is often overlooked because of how the playoffs went. Maroney had his best season, Morris was solid and of course Kevin Faulk is always making big plays. Not to mention it was the first season Brady had Welker and Moss and we all know how that went. Remember the Miami game when Moss caught 2 long TD's while being double covered? 

    They won 10 games by at least 20 points! Thats incredible..this years team has done it 5 times already which is still pretty dam good. Furthermore, I have to wonder, even if they did play the Giants this year, how do you know the 2007 Giants defense wasn't better than this unit? The 5 year gap makes it a pretty tough comparison anyways, would be an interesting poll to have on here.

     
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    Re: State of balance

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    In response to sporter81's comment:

    Nice thread Champ, this offense is easily better than the 2007 version. No way would the Giants or any other team shut it down. They needed to work the kinks out earlier in the season but it looks like they are on point now.




    Easily? EASILY? Brady throws more TDs in a season than any man has ever done, and this offense is EASILY better?

     

    And people wonder why they get personally attacked.

     

    Just one tip for you. Remember last season's SB was missing a healthy Gronk when you wonder about the offense's scoring.



    Well, for one, it's more diverse. Moss was incredible. But I'd take this collection of talent over that one. The RBs are better and the TEs are better. The WRs are worse, but not as much as you would think given the disparity in output.

    Easily, no. But I think when everyone is healthy this offense is as well rounded as any I've seen since the early 90s Cowboys.



    Yeah, I think it's better. They can score in more ways than 2007. Of course Brady threw more td passes back then, it's the only way they could score. Brady is still just as good as he was back then. As far as attacking posters I could care less if that's what you want to do. I prefer not to do it on the Internet but to each his own. 

     
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    Nice thread Champ, this offense is easily better than the 2007 version. No way would the Giants or any other team shut it down. They needed to work the kinks out earlier in the season but it looks like they are on point now.



    Disagree, you have to at least wait until the rest of this season has played out before making the comparison. The 2007 team's run game is often overlooked because of how the playoffs went. Maroney had his best season, Morris was solid and of course Kevin Faulk is always making big plays. Not to mention it was the first season Brady had Welker and Moss and we all know how that went. Remember the Miami game when Moss caught 2 long TD's while being double covered? 

    They won 10 games by at least 20 points! Thats incredible..this years team has done it 5 times already which is still pretty dam good. Furthermore, I have to wonder, even if they did play the Giants this year, how do you know the 2007 Giants defense wasn't better than this unit? The 5 year gap makes it a pretty tough comparison anyways, would be an interesting poll to have on here.



    Just my opinion dude. We won't know until the season is over but my opinion is that they are better now. That's what this forum is for, I dont claim to be right all the time.

     
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    Re: State of balance

    In response to BabeParilli's comment:

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    Nice thread Champ, this offense is easily better than the 2007 version. No way would the Giants or any other team shut it down. They needed to work the kinks out earlier in the season but it looks like they are on point now.




    Easily? EASILY? Brady throws more TDs in a season than any man has ever done, and this offense is EASILY better?

     

    And people wonder why they get personally attacked.

     

    Just one tip for you. Remember last season's SB was missing a healthy Gronk when you wonder about the offense's scoring.



    Well, for one, it's more diverse. Moss was incredible. But I'd take this collection of talent over that one. The RBs are better and the TEs are better. The WRs are worse, but not as much as you would think given the disparity in output.

    Easily, no. But I think when everyone is healthy this offense is as well rounded as any I've seen since the early 90s Cowboys.




    My main beef was with the "easily".

    Also, Moss had one of the greatest years on record. But, we are more well rounded this year for sure though. If we still had Benny, we wouldn't be.

     



    Okay so I could have used a better word than easily. I'm a soldier not an English teacher lol. I will leave it at they are better because there are many more options to score now. The recievers may not be quite as good but they are EASILY better at tight end ( I think we can agree there) and the running game is better. Brady is still Brady, it's amazing how he just keeps playing at this level at 35

     
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    Re: State of balance

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    Nice thread Champ, this offense is easily better than the 2007 version. No way would the Giants or any other team shut it down. They needed to work the kinks out earlier in the season but it looks like they are on point now.



    Disagree, you have to at least wait until the rest of this season has played out before making the comparison. The 2007 team's run game is often overlooked because of how the playoffs went. Maroney had his best season, Morris was solid and of course Kevin Faulk is always making big plays. Not to mention it was the first season Brady had Welker and Moss and we all know how that went. Remember the Miami game when Moss caught 2 long TD's while being double covered? 

    They won 10 games by at least 20 points! Thats incredible..this years team has done it 5 times already which is still pretty dam good. Furthermore, I have to wonder, even if they did play the Giants this year, how do you know the 2007 Giants defense wasn't better than this unit? The 5 year gap makes it a pretty tough comparison anyways, would be an interesting poll to have on here.



    Just my opinion dude. We won't know until the season is over but my opinion is that they are better now. That's what this forum is for, I dont claim to be right all the time.



    Who says you did? Obviously its your opinion, its an interesting topic for debate.

     
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    Nice thread Champ, this offense is easily better than the 2007 version. No way would the Giants or any other team shut it down. They needed to work the kinks out earlier in the season but it looks like they are on point now.



    Disagree, you have to at least wait until the rest of this season has played out before making the comparison. The 2007 team's run game is often overlooked because of how the playoffs went. Maroney had his best season, Morris was solid and of course Kevin Faulk is always making big plays. Not to mention it was the first season Brady had Welker and Moss and we all know how that went. Remember the Miami game when Moss caught 2 long TD's while being double covered? 

    They won 10 games by at least 20 points! Thats incredible..this years team has done it 5 times already which is still pretty dam good. Furthermore, I have to wonder, even if they did play the Giants this year, how do you know the 2007 Giants defense wasn't better than this unit? The 5 year gap makes it a pretty tough comparison anyways, would be an interesting poll to have on here.



    Just my opinion dude. We won't know until the season is over but my opinion is that they are better now. That's what this forum is for, I dont claim to be right all the time.



    Who says you did? Obviously its your opinion, its an interesting topic for debate.



    Okay, These long posts with all of the previous comments get confusing sometimes. It's all good.

     
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    Well the answer is obvious now; the magical player, that's all it took...

    Stevan Ridely and his 4.6 forty time must be the big difference compared to the last few years and why we didn't run.  Because, according to many here, coaching has no effect on a football team, it has to be the magical abilities of the first round draft pick threat Stevan Ridely.  

    Wait he was drafted where... why wasn't he drafted in the top three rounds is beyond me, why he wasn't on anyone's draft board (especially here) is beyond me?

    Well if Bolden is averaging 5.4 yards per carry than he has to be that much better than Ridely right, I mean it couldn't be that we're a better running team because we've committed to the run, we block better, we use tight ends and fullbacks more, it has to be the magic player every time...

    It was just a mistake last year that they didn't utilize him in the playoffs, or any of our runningbacks for that matter... a mistake.They didn't see Ridely sitting there, fully dressed, ready to play against the Giants I guess...?

    You guys who think a single runningback can change the culture of an entire offense are ridiculous.  

    This offense is better because the play calling is better, more multidimensional, less predictable, more balanced.  

    By the way, all this back and forth about which was better, 2012 or 2007 what you need to realize there was one common denominator; McDaniels.  The last guy to average 4.5 YPC from Laurence Maroney and Sammy Morris.

    Mark Schlereth went into detail on espn today that the reason the Patriots are more dangerous is a commitment to the ground and pound.  He must just be a homer, run happy guy like the rest of us.

    I mean the entire national media must just not know that the only reason we're running better is the one player who was actually on this team last year, that's why they're all reporting on the new and improved balanced rushing attack of the Pats:

    http://bostonherald.com/sports/football/patriots/view/20221029running_back_to_balance

    http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4734752/positional-groupings-balance-returns

    http://www.patriots.com/news/article-1/Smash-mouth-football-feels-like-old-times-for-Patriots-ground-game/db9df89b-34db-46ec-9a79-89e130c0e879

    http://www.thesunchronicle.com/sports/patriots/balanced-patriots-on-record-pace/article_9d6adc2f-6ba0-5d25-9f9a-4b7f46612476.html

    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/2012/11/28/balanced-running-attack-boosts-patriots-offense/87bpwzuLrn5QPz5uINwUiM/story.html

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/renewed-running-game-gives-pats-035013215--nfl.html

    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-10-11/news/sns-rt-fbn-patriots-team-reportsx1709fa1-20121011_1_offensive-coordinator-logan-mankins-stevan-ridley

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1362127-broncos-vs-patriots-new-englands-blinding-offensive-tempo-tramples-denver

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2012/10/10/more-balance-paying-dividends-for-patriots-offense/bZH445UuSXmr5Fp3V4sDTP/story.html

    http://articles.courant.com/2012-10-08/sports/hc-jacobs-patriots-column-1008-20121008_1_tom-brady-manning-s-broncos-real-story

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000079458/article/new-england-patriots-diversify-offense-with-power-running-game

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8571215/new-england-patriots-poised-big-second-half

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8686759/2012-new-england-patriots-outpacing-2007-16-0-juggernaut-team

     http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/8611906/new-england-patriots-rushing-game-renaissance-paying-huge-dividends

     

    I mean I don't know where these people form their opinions, they should come here for the real scoop because they're all wrong.

    Really, you people are like holocaust deniers or those who refute evolution; FOS.

    Admit you were wrong or leave it alone... everybody knows things have changed but you. 

     
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    Re: State of balance

    Bottom line:  The offense is scoring 1.3 points per game more.  That amounts to one more field goal every two games.  

    Wozzy and True Champ whined all last year about the offense because in their minds the Pats didn't run enough. They hated Bill O'Brien.  Those of us who were more appreciative argued that O'Brien (and Belichick) were actually doing pretty well last year given the talent the team had.  

    Now the Pats are running more and Wozzy and Champ are on here talking as if the offense is vastly improved. They love Josh O'Brien. They think they've proved that Bill O'Brien and his 2011 offense was an abject failure and that Josh is much better. 

    But the difference we're talking about amounts to an extra field goal every two games: 1.3 points per game on average. Yes, we've scored a lot of points in recent games.  But it's been against teams like Rams, the Bills, the Colts, and the Jets. The real test comes against Houston and SF. The big complaint last year was that the Pats could score in droves against weak defenses, but struggled against good (and especially playoff calibre) defenses.  So far this year, it's hard to say anything is different. The Pats offense wasn't exactly stellar against Arizona and Seattle, teams that were playing good defense when the Pats faced them. If there is any significant difference in the offense's ability to generate points consistently, we'll see it later in the regular season and in the playoffs, when we face some tougher defenses.  

    I think the talent has improved this year, and I think there's more diversity with a better running game and the addition of Lloyd.  McDaniels and Belichick clearly have made the run more of an emphasis this year and, in the offseason, changed the make-up of the team to alow for more effective running.  This should help us because it helps overcome the one-dimensionality that was an issue last year. But let's not get carried away.  The offense was quite productive last year and it's quite productive this year. In fact, offense has never been the number one problem with this team in recent years.  What we need is a more consistent defense that can be relied on to hold even a slim lead and doesn't give up big passing plays and big scores at critical times in the game. What is likely to make a difference in the playoffs even more than running or not running is whether the LBs and DBs can prevent big plays and stop third-down passes that allow opposing offenses to stay on the field for long stretches. Also important, will be the health of the offensive line and key offensive weapons like Gronk--something which hurt us significantly in the Super Bowl last year.  Running better adds another dimension, which is helpful, but there's a lot more to a football game than number of rushing attempts. 

     
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