Steelers Team of Decade if They Win in 2009, Due to Spygate?

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    Steelers Team of Decade if They Win in 2009, Due to Spygate?

         Think that the "spygate" BS is dead? Think again. One Pittsburgh writer claims that if the Steelers repeat in 2009, they, along with the Patriots, will own 3 titles in the decade. But, according to this knucklehead, the Steelers will win the tie-breaker because of spygate: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09252/996489-87.stm
     
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         Heres' more on the issue: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10044780/Patriots,-Steelers-battle-for-'Team-of-Decade'-title
     
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    Re: Steelers Team of Decade if They Win in 2009, Due to Spygate?

    Pats have 1 more SB appearance and a 16-0 regular season.  Plus, Pats went through Pitt 2x to win SB.  Pitt won both SB without facing Pats in playoffs...it may not have mattered, but it's not on their resume.
     
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    Consider the source... wouldn't you think a Pats beat writer would make their case too?

    If SB wins are the only measure, the teams are tied.  But, head to head, the Steelers failed to beat the Pats in this decade when they played each other in the playoffs.  That could be a tipping point!
     
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    Re: Steelers Team of Decade if They Win in 2009, Due to Spygate?

    How official are the "team of the decade" rankings. Seriously, who cares? A lot like debating politics.
     
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    Thanks Tartarus, you stole my thunder.  If you're a Pats fan why can't you just enjoy watching them during this era.  Is it really that important to you what the national media thinks or says??  They're not going to get a banner or trophy that says "Team of the Decade" either way so who really gives a sh*t
     
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    In Response to Re: Steelers Team of Decade if They Win in 2009, Due to Spygate?:
    [QUOTE]Thanks Tartarus, you stole my thunder.  If you're a Pats fan why can't you just enjoy watching them during this era.  Is it really that important to you what the national media thinks or says??  They're not going to get a banner or trophy that says "Team of the Decade" either way so who really gives a sh*t
    Posted by siestafiesta[/QUOTE]

    The Pats could have won FIVE SBs this decade and there will be fans, and some talking heads, who would make the case the Pats do not deserve the TotD because of Spygate.  Makes for great debate, that's all.
     
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    Who cares?
     
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    I think the steelers are easily the second best team of the decade behind new england
     
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    [QUOTE]     Think that the "spygate" BS is dead? Think again. One Pittsburgh writer claims that if the Steelers repeat in 2009, they, along with the Patriots, will own 3 titles in the decade. But, according to this knucklehead, the Steelers will win the tie-breaker because of spygate: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09252/996489-87.stm
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]


    who cares? have they changed the scores yet?
     
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    let's debate health care
     
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    In response to the post I think it will hurt.  If your covering another team and you look at the history good and bad.  Spygate is a blemish.

    But in the end is it that big of a deal?  My guess is that it is something for the writers to have fun with and really doesn't mean a thing.  Nothing but a bunch of politics which I loathe.
     
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    honestly who cares about who is best in a decade, I care about who is best this year, the past is the past.
     
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    One of you with the horrible accents just called Spygate a blemish?
    Ahahahahahahaha-That's a scar that will never go away.Man oh man are you people brainwashed or what?!Can you imagine the weeping and gnashing of teeth if somebody was filming the pats illegally(you know...cheating).
    It's just not the pats anymore that choose to cheat to win but now you have the sox that decided the only way to beat the Almighty Yankees was to fill themselves up with steroids!
    Can any team in NE win without cheating?
    That should stir the pot up just a bit.

    Your eloquently written and well thought out posts are always welcome!
    How are YA!?
     
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    It has to do with history and to be mentioned with some of the great teams of the past.  Another thing writers like to do.  It didn't save Chuck Nolls job in the end.
     
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    [QUOTE]     Think that the "spygate" BS is dead? Think again. One Pittsburgh writer claims that if the Steelers repeat in 2009, they, along with the Patriots, will own 3 titles in the decade. But, according to this knucklehead, the Steelers will win the tie-breaker because of spygate: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09252/996489-87.stm
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE] thats what they want to think.they think ours will have a question mark which would make there wins stronger.but they have to re-peat and im afraid to say like the person who wrote the death star thread.the pats death star is fully operational,and the steelers will be crushed.
     
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    Re: Steelers Team of Decade if They Win in 2009, Due to Spygate?

    The key element here (if you even care about this kind of debate) is that New England went into Bitchburgh and jacked the Steelers twice on their way to the championship. Conversely, the Steelers have not had to contend with the Pats during either of their recent Super Bowl runs. The conclusion doesn't really matter, as the title of "Team of the Decade" is mythical, but the dude from Charleston is correct. Even should Bitchburgh successfully defend its title (a very real possibility, given its schedule), I think it would take a fairly convincing victory over the Pats in the playoffs to even make this an actual debate.
     
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    In Response to Re: Steelers Team of Decade if They Win in 2009, Due to Spygate?:
    [QUOTE]The key element here (if you even care about this kind of debate) is that New England went into Bitchburgh and jacked the Steelers twice on their way to the championship. Conversely, the Steelers have not had to contend with the Pats during either of their recent Super Bowl runs. The conclusion doesn't really matter, as the title of "Team of the Decade" is mythical, but the dude from Charleston is correct. Even should Bitchburgh successfully defend its title (a very real possibility, given its schedule), I think it would take a fairly convincing victory over the Pats in the playoffs to even make this an actual debate.
    Posted by prairiemike[/QUOTE]


    Totally agree... Patriots went undefeated "after" spygate so that's dead. Statistically the Steelers can not mathematically match the Patriots accomplishments this decade, even with a superbowl win.

    I had the "Case closed" stamp on this argument already and that was without your insight about the head to head in the playoffs on the way to the superbowl.

    Would have to say I am even more sure now and would only even entertain the argument if they face each other and the Steelers completely trounced the Pats in the playoffs on the way to a repeat.
     
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    Re: Steelers Team of Decade if They Win in 2009, Due to Spygate?

    To be fair, I think the Patriots have to be the team of the decade BECAUSE of matters such as spygate. That is, the TEAM that defined this decade was the PATRIOTS. For GOOD or BAD.

    In that sense, there is nothing the Steelers can do about that, even if they do win this year. Quite frankly, the 18-1 season as well, in part, also MEANS MORE than a single super bowl in that, again, it was about the storyline and the chase... they dominated football for an entire season unlike any other team EVER. No one will ever put together a season filled with more than what the 2007 Patriots did... In part because of spygate, in part because of the undefeated regular season.  The Pats started off their run by pulling off the biggest upset in SB history (going through the Steelers in the playoffs, the whole Drew Bledsoe thing, pulling off a huge upset), and then also likely surrended the biggest upset in SB history within THIS DECADE.. In consecutive years, they've pretty much won and lost every sort of big game... That just doesn't happen. They even went 11-5 and *didn't* make the playoffs, and had quite a fair share of game winning kick/compelling stories along the way... again, something quite unique... 

    And in my mind, last year's Steelers superbowl, again, not by any fault of their own, is just a tiny bit tainted because of Tom Brady, arguably the decade's greatest player/superstar, and his injury... one obviously can't know what would have happened because injuries *do* happen in the NFL... But you know Tom Brady is *worth* at least 1 game, right? We can all agree the Pats are in the playoffs with at least a 12-4 record w/ Brady, right? Did we not miss out on another clasic Brady-Manning or Brady-Big Ben game because of this?

    Heck, do the Steelers even win their first superbowl this decade without that injury to Carson Palmer? How much did that injury shape that division? How much did the Steelers almost lose out on because of Big Ben's injuries this decade as well... I mean, cause anyone who watched the Steelers know that the team was clearly not the same with Maddox, Batch, etc., at the helm... one extra missing game and bye bye discussion about the Steelers being the TOTD at all.

    Just some rantings...
     
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    The Steeler's Super Bowl victory over Seattle was tainted by the officiating.
     
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    In Response to Steelers Team of Decade if They Win in 2009, Due to Spygate?:
    [QUOTE]     Think that the "spygate" BS is dead? Think again. One Pittsburgh writer claims that if the Steelers repeat in 2009, they, along with the Patriots, will own 3 titles in the decade. But, according to this knucklehead, the Steelers will win the tie-breaker because of spygate: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09252/996489-87.stm
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    Hey Tex.

    The key here is in your identification of the 'writer' as being from PITTSBURGH. Therefore, the lack of impartiality makes his statement irrelevant IMHO.

    Moreover, this knucklhead (good choice of label BTW!) is simply running the spin machine to DISTRACT people from the "rape gate" currently going on with their QB.

    Pretty serious accusations flying over there in steel town, so there is likely no end to how far the Pittsburgh media will reach to deflect this one. Bringing the Patriots into the equation is like dropping chum into the water for the sharks that are the Patriot hating press (of some cities). The longer they are talking about spygate, the longer they ignore BR's indiscretions (so to speak).

    JMO
     
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    Yeah, just a Steelers writer giving his opinion.  It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.  He even jokes "it's my article and my rules".  Don't read too much into it.

    I'm a Steelers fan and have already stated that even if they win the SB this year (which I don't believe they will), you would still give the nod to the Patriots as they Patriots beat them twice (in PA no less) on the way to two of their wins.

    I guess the best analogy would be the 70's were considered the Steelers Era, but they were followed close behind by Dolphins, Raiders, and especially the Cowboys.

    Don't let it keep you up at night.  Just an opinion and it means nothing more in the grand scheme of things than yours or min.
     
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    [QUOTE]Consider the source... wouldn't you think a Pats beat writer would make their case too?

    RESPONSE: John Tomase and Ron Borges would agree with the Steelers' beat writer.

    If SB wins are the only measure, the teams are tied.  But, head to head, the Steelers failed to beat the Pats in this decade when they played each other in the playoffs.  That could be a tipping point!

    RESPONSE: The way to put an end to this "controversy" is for the Pats to win it all in 2009. They appear to be the only team with a legitimate chance to stop the Steelers in the AFC.

    Posted by agcsbill[/QUOTE]

         The other thing to consider is that the Pats have won titles in 2001, 2003, 2004...while the Steelers won in 2005, 2008, and, quite possibly, 2009. People remember best the most recent events. So, arguably, the Steelers would get the nod, especially from the ESPNs and Mike Florios of the world.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Steelers Team of Decade if They Win in 2009, Due to Spygate? : Hey Tex. The key here is in your identification of the 'writer' as being from PITTSBURGH. Therefore, the  lack of impartiality makes his statement irrelevant IMHO. Moreover, this knucklhead (good choice of label BTW!) is simply running the spin machine to DISTRACT people from the "rape gate" currently going on with their QB. Pretty serious accusations flying over there in steel town, so there is likely no end to how far the Pittsburgh media will reach to deflect this one. Bringing the Patriots into the equation is like dropping chum into the water for the sharks that are the Patriot hating press (of some cities). The longer they are talking about spygate, the longer they ignore BR's indiscretions (so to speak). JMO
    Posted by CTLadyluvsPats[/QUOTE]

         Laurie...in all fairness to Ben Roethlisburger and Steeler Nation, its' becoming increasingly apparent that the charges against Big Ben are bogus. 
     
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    [QUOTE]To be fair, I think the Patriots have to be the team of the decade BECAUSE of matters such as spygate. That is, the TEAM that defined this decade was the PATRIOTS. For GOOD or BAD. In that sense, there is nothing the Steelers can do about that, even if they do win this year. Quite frankly, the 18-1 season as well, in part, also MEANS MORE than a single super bowl in that, again, it was about the storyline and the chase... they dominated football for an entire season unlike any other team EVER. No one will ever put together a season filled with more than what the 2007 Patriots did... In part because of spygate, in part because of the undefeated regular season.

    RESPONSE: If you factor in spygate, you are lending credence to that bogus, media created scandal. No Patriots' fan should ever concede to this.
         That aside, you're right about the 18-1 season being a factor. After all, the Pats made it to the SB that year. They also accomplished something that no other team has done...going undefeated in a 16 game season.

      The Pats started off their run by pulling off the biggest upset in SB history (going through the Steelers in the playoffs, the whole Drew Bledsoe thing, pulling off a huge upset), and then also likely surrended the biggest upset in SB history within THIS DECADE.

    RESPONSE: The greatest upset in SB history was the NY Jets SB III upset win over the Baltimore Colts...who were 17 point favorites going into that game. 
         I don't consider the SB loss to the Giants as such a great upset. The Pats barely beat the Giants in NY just weeks before, 38-35. The Giants played great football down their 2007 playoff stretch...winning 3 playoff games on the road. Furthermore, but for the Plaxico Burress fiasco, the Giants likely would have repeated as SB champs last year. They were unquestionably the best team in the NFL before Plax shot himself...and beat the eventual champion Steelers in Pittsburgh, 21-14, during the 2008 regular season.

    ...last year's Steelers superbowl, again, not by any fault of their own, is just a tiny bit tainted because of Tom Brady, arguably the decade's greatest player/superstar, and his injury... one obviously can't know what would have happened because injuries *do* happen in the NFL... But you know Tom Brady is *worth* at least 1 game, right? We can all agree the Pats are in the playoffs with at least a 12-4 record w/ Brady, right? 

    RESPONSE: Disagree with you that the Steelers' 2008 championship was in any way tainted because of the Brady injury. As you correctly point out, injuries are part of the game...and who can say what would have happened with a healthy Brady? In 2008, the Steelers played the toughest schedule in the NFL, and still thrived.

    Heck, do the Steelers even win their first superbowl this decade without that injury to Carson Palmer? How much did that injury shape that division? How much did the Steelers almost lose out on because of Big Ben's injuries this decade as well... I mean, cause anyone who watched the Steelers know that the team was clearly not the same with Maddox, Batch, etc., at the helm... one extra missing game and bye bye discussion about the Steelers being the TOTD at all. Just some rantings...

    RESPONSE: Great point about the Palmer playoff injury in 2005. That changed everything. Nonetheless, credit the Steelers for taking advantage, crushing Denver (the team which knocked the Pats out in the 2005 playoffs) on the road, and then upsetting the Colts in Indy...having to overcome blatant, biased officiating, to do it. The SB against Seattle would have been a classic, had the referees not injected themselves, and handed the game to the Steelers on a silver platter. If theres' any taint, it lies there.

    Posted by Physics[/QUOTE]

         The way for the Pats to settle this thing is to defeat the Steelers in this years' playoffs. They may be the only AFC team that can. 
     
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