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    [QUOTE]     It looks like a race between the Seahawks, Colts, and Chiefs. Who would have believed that these three divisional winners would turn out to be this bad, at the conclusion of the 2010 season?
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    sounds like the name of a p0rn0
     
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    Have no fear Cincy has a lot of suck left in em. I mean after all their home opener was blacked out. The fans rejoice there is a casino being built.
     
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    [QUOTE]If Luck came out last year he would have been the #1 pick.  There's a lot to like about Luck.  That being said he is not Peyton Manning.  The Colts would have to retool the whole thing if they went after him.  If the Colts do go after him it speaks volumes of Manning neck condition.
    Posted by garytx[/QUOTE]

         How do you know that uck won't develop into another Manning? A lot of people think that he has that kind of talent.

         The Colts are going to have to "retool the whole thing" anyway. Their core players are all approaching their mid-30s (Saturday, Wayne, Clark, Freeney, Brackett, Mathis). Plus, there's no guarantee that the 36 year old Peyton (in 2012) will ever be able to play again.
     
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    I hope the colts don't get him, as much as I would enjoy them having the worst record in the NFL, I would much rather they have the second worst record and just miss out on the luck sweepstakes.


    I think the seachickens have the best chance at getting Luck(y)

    I was thinkin Redskins at first but they replaced Beck with Grossman and started winning games. I could have sworn shanahan was going to purposely sabatoge this season in order to get luck this upcoming draft when he named Beck as the starter during the offseason.  I guess he changed his mind...
     
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         The Indianapolis Colts now appear to be the front runners in the "sweepstakes", as they placed safety Melvin Bullitt and LB Gary Brackett on IR with shoulder injuries. Yet, they still have stubbornly not placed Mr. Wonderful on that list: http://www.indystar.com/article/20110928/SPORTS03/110928007/Colts-linebacker-Brackett-safety-Bullitt-out-season
     
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    there are some locally suggesting that Angerer may be a better option at Mike than Brackett.  He was drafted for it, anticipating Brackett's retirement, and has been playing out of position for the last year. 

    Last week he played Mike and had 21-22 tackles.  By picking up Edds (a local indy product and iowa teammate of Angerer), there's some thought that they may have a synergy that could really help the d. 
     
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    [QUOTE]there are some locally suggesting that Angerer may be a better option at Mike than Brackett.  He was drafted for it, anticipating Brackett's retirement, and has been playing out of position for the last year.  Last week he played Mike and had 21-22 tackles.  By picking up Edds (a local indy product and iowa teammate of Angerer), there's some thought that they may have a synergy that could really help the d. 
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         Dog(gggg)...face it...even if Manning had emerged healthy enough to play this season, the Colts didn't have the horses to win a championship. Being Manning-less presents a splendid opportunity for management to evaluate their other players, and coaches, in preparation for life without Peyton.

         If ever there was a time when earning the top overall pick really meant something, it's this year. Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect I've seen since, well...Peyton Manning. If suffering through this awful season means that Indy gets Luck, than it's all worthwhile. Even if Peyton can regain his health, and play to his old form next year (which I sincerely doubt), he'll be 36 years old...playing QB after three neck surgeries. 

         No matter what happens with his health, it's time for the Colts to move on. This talk about how wonderful it would be if Manning came back healthy, and Luck could then apprentice at the feet of the master, is BS. There's no way that the Colts could afford to pay Peyton $23mil., and pay Luck "Cam Newton money", as well. As hard as this may be to swallow, if Luck befalls Indy, Peyton should be jettisoned, either through negotiated retirement, trade, or release.

         It's time for the Colts to embark upon a full-fledged rebuilding program. With Luck as it's centerpiece, the Colts should be well on their way towards another decade of respectability, and contention.     
      
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suck for Luck Sweepstakes :      Dog(gggg)...face it...even if Manning had emerged healthy enough to play this season, the Colts didn't have the horses to win a championship. Being Manning-less presents a splendid opportunity for management to evaluate their other players, and coaches, in preparation for life without Peyton.      If ever there was a time when earning the top overall pick really meant something, it's this year. Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect I've seen since, well...Peyton Manning. If suffering through this awful season means that Indy gets Luck, than it's all worthwhile. Even if Peyton can regain his health, and play to his old form next year (which I sincerely doubt), he'll be 36 years old...playing QB after three neck surgeries.       No matter what happens with his health, it's time for the Colts to move on. This talk about how wonderful it would be if Manning came back healthy, and Luck could then apprentice at the feet of the master, is BS. There's no way that the Colts could afford to pay Peyton $23mil., and pay Luck "Cam Newton money", as well. As hard as this may be to swallow, if Luck befalls Indy, Peyton should be jettisoned, either through negotiated retirement, trade, or release.      It's time for the Colts to embark upon a full-fledged rebuilding program. With Luck as it's centerpiece, the Colts should be well on their way towards another decade of respectability, and contention.        
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    Then Colts fans need to cheer against the Texans and Titans anyways because the AFC West is a gawdawful division that barely wins any games that aren't against each other == /> I think the Chiefs will win a tiebreaker on difficulty of schedule
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suck for Luck Sweepstakes :      I don't know, Bozo. The Chiefs are looking pretty "good" right now.
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE] They(KC) will win at least 3 games,but you never know when the losses start snowballing. At any rate I think Luck is only the second best QB coming out next draft as after watching Moore from Boise State for the last 4 years I rate him as the better QB. Hey that's how I see it,but it doesn't make it a fact...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suck for Luck Sweepstakes : They(KC) will win at least 3 games,but you never know when the losses start snowballing. At any rate I think Luck is only the second best QB coming out next draft as after watching Moore from Boise State for the last 4 years I rate him as the better QB. Hey that's how I see it,but it doesn't make it a fact...
    Posted by sportsbozo1[/QUOTE]

    I agree.  I'd also take a hard look at Landry Jones from Oklahoma over Luck.

    Luck isn't even the focal point of his offense.  Stanford is a run-first team.  Against ASU in 3rd or 4th and short, they ran the ball when you'd think with the best QB in college football you'd spread the field and let him find the open man.

    In a pass-first NFL, I think Jones and Moore could fare pretty well, although there are concerns about Moore's height
     
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    [QUOTE]     In the "Suck for Luck" sweepstakes, the Seattle Seahawks lost a lot of ground by beat the Cardinals. Meanwhile, both the Colts and Chiefs showed signs of life, losing to the Steelers and Chargers, respectively, by only a FG.  The Minnesota Vikings enhanced their credentials, by falling to 0-3 after an OT loss to Detroit, at home. The Miami Dolphins also fell to 0-3, losing to the Browns in Cleveland, 17-16.       There's a week 4 "showdown" coming up, between the Chiefs and Vikings, in Kansas City. 
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    was rooting for seattle, now can root for minn as we. any nfc bottom dweller
     
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    I'm tellin ya, the Bengals have sucking down to a science. They'll be there when the sucking really matters.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suck for Luck Sweepstakes : was rooting for seattle, now can root for minn as we. any nfc bottom dweller
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         Unfortunately, its looking more and more as if the Colts are a shoe-in for the top overall pick.
     
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    You guys are missin' the real deal with all the Bengal, Seattle, KC, & Vike talk. Peyton is faking his injury and colts will get Luck. Indy wont win a game until everybody else does. Once again, the Manning family, with their elitist mentality are manipulating the NFL system for their intended personal gain. Irsay is a tool.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suck for Luck Sweepstakes :      Dog(gggg)...face it...even if Manning had emerged healthy enough to play this season, the Colts didn't have the horses to win a championship.
    How in the world would you know whether or not they had the horses?  2 years ago they were in the SB.  Last year they were the most injured team in the NFL, and should have beaten the Jets (more than I can say for the pats).  With a little health and Manning, I don't see any reason why they couldn't have been considered a contender.  Already this year the run offense and run defense have performed better.  In fact, the only thing that has been terrible is the pass offense.  I think Manning could have had a positive impact on that, but hey, what do I know, right?   

    Being Manning-less presents a splendid opportunity for management to evaluate their other players, and coaches, in preparation for life without Peyton.     
    agreed

    If ever there was a time when earning the top overall pick really meant something, it's this year. Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect I've seen since, well...Peyton Manning.
    I'll see if I can't get Polian to give you ring so that you may provide him with your expert analysis.  I am sure he's interested. 

    If suffering through this awful season means that Indy gets Luck, than it's all worthwhile. Even if Peyton can regain his health, and play to his old form next year (which I sincerely doubt), he'll be 36 years old...playing QB after three neck surgeries.      
    We'll only know next year whether or not he'll be able to play again with any effectiveness.  I am sure the Colts will evaluate his capability in the offseason. 

    No matter what happens with his health, it's time for the Colts to move on.
    Couldn't disagree more.   If Manning turns out to be healthy and just as capable as before, the colts would immediately become SB contenders again.  Moving on guarantees that won't happen. 

    This talk about how wonderful it would be if Manning came back healthy, and Luck could then apprentice at the feet of the master, is BS.  There's no way that the Colts could afford to pay Peyton $23mil., and pay Luck "Cam Newton money", as well.
    I am willing to bet that the colts won't even be in the Luck sweepstakes unless they trade up for the opportunity, which wouldn't even be possible since no one is giving away that pick.   

    As hard as this may be to swallow, if Luck befalls Indy, Peyton should be jettisoned, either through negotiated retirement, trade, or release.     
    If the colts were to draft Andrew Luck, I don't see a better opportunity for him than to learn from the best QB in the game.  


    It's time for the Colts to embark upon a full-fledged rebuilding program. With Luck as it's centerpiece, the Colts should be well on their way towards another decade of respectability, and contention.        
    I think the colts beat Tampa this week. 

    Question for your TP - If the pats could draft by giving up Brady, would you do it?
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]You guys are missin' the real deal with all the Bengal, Seattle, KC, & Vike talk. Peyton is faking his injury and colts will get Luck. Indy wont win a game until everybody else does. Once again, the Manning family, with their elitist mentality are manipulating the NFL system for their intended personal gain. Irsay is a tool.
    Posted by jbolted[/QUOTE]

    well well well the slime finally slithered in, about that crow... I was at the NE/SD game ahhhhh what a great time....

     
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    HRK - Isn't jblot something.  Lots of NE/SD pregame trash talk followed by crickets. 

    Then after the pats lost and bolts win, he's back cackeling like there was not NE/SD game.  He must have been surfing all week.  You know, when the waves are up, these guys can't be bothered with anything else. 

    Someone might want to remind him of the outcome of that game.
     
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         Dog(gggg)...you said: 

         "How in the world would you know whether or not they had the horses?  2 years ago they were in the SB.  Last year they were the most injured team in the NFL, and should have beaten the Jets (more than I can say for the pats).  With a little health and Manning, I don't see any reason why they couldn't have been considered a contender.  Already this year the run offense and run defense have performed better.  In fact, the only thing that has been terrible is the pass offense.  I think Manning could have had a positive impact on that, but hey, what do I know, right"

    RESPONSE: The Colts without Manning are the worst team in the league. But, if you want to live in a fantasy world and make believe all would be well if only Peyton's neck still had some elasticity, so be it! You are such a hapless homer...LOL!!!

    Then you said: "I'll see if I can't get Polian to give you ring so that you may provide him with your expert analysis.  I am sure he's interested."

    RESPONSE: Sigh...I try to be civil and engage in a football discussion with you, and you have to respond with snide remarks and sarcasm...oh well. So, I take it then that you disagree about Luck being the best QB prospect since Peyton. True or false?

    You said, "We'll only know next year whether or not he'll be able to play again with any effectiveness.  I am sure the Colts will evaluate his capability in the offseason."

    RESPONSE: Can the Colts' afford to gamble again on the health of a 36 year old QB, coming off three neck surgeries?

    You said, in response to my comment that the Colts should move on from Manning, "Couldn't disagree more.   If Manning turns out to be healthy and just as capable as before, the colts would immediately become SB contenders again.  Moving on guarantees that won't happen."

    RESPONSE: Again, you're living in a fantasy world. The Colts' OL is mediocre at best. The best player on their OL, Jeff Saturday, will be 35 next season. MLB Gary Brackett looks done. DEs Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis are on the down-sides of their careers, as are TE Dallas Clark, and WR Reggie Wayne. The Colts' secondary is in worse shape than the Patriots' secondary. What are the odds that Peyton returns in 2012, as good as new? Isn't it as likely that he'll never play again...or won't be as effective as in years past? If the Colts get the #1 pick in 2012, don't you agree that they should take Luck?

    You than said, "I am willing to bet that the colts won't even be in the Luck sweepstakes unless they trade up for the opportunity, which wouldn't even be possible since no one is giving away that pick."

    RESPONSE: Really? How many games do you expect the Colts to win this season?

    You than continued, "If the colts were to draft Andrew Luck, I don't see a better opportunity for him than to learn from the best QB in the game."

    RESPONSE: First of all, we both know that Tom Brady is the best QB in the game. Secondly, how will the Colts be able to keep Peyton, while at the same time paying Luck "Cam Newton" money? That would mean that well over 25% of their cap space would be allocated to the QB position. 

    You closed by saying,  "I think the colts beat Tampa this week."

    RESPONSE: That's not out of the realm of possibility. But, I think it's more likely that the Colts lose, but cover the 10 point spread. 

    Next, you asked, "Question for your TP - If the pats could draft by giving up Brady, would you do it?"

    RESPONSE: Unlike you, I'll give you a straight answer. First of all, your question doesn't really make sense as written.  But, I'll assume that you meant to ask, "if the Pats could trade Brady straight up for the rights to Luck, would I do it?" My response would be no, for the following reasons:

    1.) Brady is the league's best QB...and shows no signs of his skills diminishing;

    2.) Unlike the Indy QB situation, the Patriots' have talented reserve QBs, Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett, being groomed to some day take over for Tom;

    3.) Unlike Peyton, Tom appears to be healthy. But, if Tom had Peyton's neck troubles, I'd do the deal;

    4.) Tom is a leader, and still dedicated to winning. 

         To trade a healthy Tom, I'd want more than just the rights to Luck.   

          


     
      


     

     
     

     
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    The Colts should win this one. That's why they keep a loser like Caldwell around. The only people that would stick up for him are the Colts fans themselves.
     
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    [QUOTE]The Colts should win this one. That's why they keep a loser like Caldwell around. The only people that would stick up for him are the Colts fans themselves.
    Posted by Rerun85[/QUOTE]

         Other than the Colts-crazed "Dog(gggg)", Indy fans are not sticking up for Caldwell. They want him gone. 
     
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     Dog(gggg) "How in the world would you know whether or not they had the horses?  2 years ago they were in the SB.  Last year they were the most injured team in the NFL, and should have beaten the Jets (more than I can say for the pats).  With a little health and Manning, I don't see any reason why they couldn't have been considered a contender.  Already this year the run offense and run defense have performed better.  In fact, the only thing that has been terrible is the pass offense.  I think Manning could have had a positive impact on that, but hey, what do I know, right"
    RESPONSE: The Colts without Manning are the worst team in the league. But, if you want to live in a fantasy world and make believe all would be well if only Peyton's neck still had some elasticity, so be it! You are such a hapless homer...LOL!!!
    Hapless?  Sorry if I don't think the colts are the worst team in the league without Manning.  Nothing about the colts run o and d being better than its been?



    Then you said: "I'll see if I can't get Polian to give you ring so that you may provide him with your expert analysis.  I am sure he's interested."
    RESPONSE: Sigh...I try to be civil and engage in a football discussion with you, and you have to respond with snide remarks and sarcasm...oh well. So, I take it then that you disagree about Luck being the best QB prospect since Peyton. True or false?
    You haven't tried to be civil in months, and your first response wasn't anything close to civil, so I don't know why you spend time trying to convince everyone else that you are something you clearly are not.  And as for Luck, his hype certainly is greater than there has been for a QB in quite sometime.  If hype is reality then I'd say you are right. 

    You said, "
    We'll only know next year whether or not he'll be able to play again with any effectiveness.  I am sure the Colts will evaluate his capability in the offseason."
    RESPONSE: Can the Colts' afford to gamble again on the health of a 36 year old QB, coming off three neck surgeries?
    I think the colts will do what they think is best for the team.  If Manning is 90-95% of himself that still makes him better than anything else they could get.  Further, I don't see evaluating his capability in the offseason as a gamble.  Please explain why you do?



    You said, in response to my comment that the Colts should move on from Manning, "
    Couldn't disagree more.   If Manning turns out to be healthy and just as capable as before, the colts would immediately become SB contenders again.  Moving on guarantees that won't happen."
    RESPONSE: Again, you're living in a fantasy world. The Colts' OL is mediocre at best. The best player on their OL, Jeff Saturday, will be 35 next season. MLB Gary Brackett looks done. DEs Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis are on the down-sides of their careers, as are TE Dallas Clark, and WR Reggie Wayne. The Colts' secondary is in worse shape than the Patriots' secondary. What are the odds that Peyton returns in 2012, as good as new? Isn't it as likely that he'll never play again...or won't be as effective as in years past? If the Colts get the #1 pick in 2012, don't you agree that they should take Luck?
    Lets see - the colts drafted 2 players they hope will be the start of a future line.  One is starting right now.  Yes there are other issues, but no one is perfect everywhere.  Brackett's replacement is currently playing, had 20+ tackles last week and looks great.  Someone forgot to tell Freeney and Mathis they were getting old last week.  At 35 Manning will be anything but "as good as new".  All he needs to be is as good as Manning in 2010 or 90% of that. 

    I think it makes sense to take luck if they have the #1 pick, unless Manning has proven that he is in excellent condition with no ill effects. 

    You than said, "I am willing to bet that the colts won't even be in the Luck sweepstakes unless they trade up for the opportunity, which wouldn't even be possible since no one is giving away that pick."
    RESPONSE: Really? How many games do you expect the Colts to win this season?
    5-6.  I think they win this week. 

    You than continued, "If the colts were to draft Andrew Luck, I don't see a better opportunity for him than to learn from the best QB in the game."
    RESPONSE: First of all, we both know that Tom Brady is the best QB in the game. Secondly, how will the Colts be able to keep Peyton, while at the same time paying Luck "Cam Newton" money? That would mean that well over 25% of their cap space would be allocated to the QB position. 
    First comment - debateable.  Cam Newton Money is significantly less than Sam Bradford Money.  Besides, as I said, I don't think they'll be in that position.  If they are, we'll see.

    You closed by saying, 
     "I think the colts beat Tampa this week."
    RESPONSE: That's not out of the realm of possibility. But, I think it's more likely that the Colts lose, but cover the 10 point spread. 
    Could be. 

    Next, you asked, "
    Question for your TP - If the pats could draft by giving up Brady, would you do it?"
    RESPONSE: Unlike you, I'll give you a straight answer. First of all, your question doesn't really make sense as written.  But, I'll assume that you meant to ask, "if the Pats could trade Brady straight up for the rights to Luck, would I do it?" My response would be no, for the following reasons:

    1.) Brady is the league's best QB...and shows no signs of his skills diminishing;
    Has Manning shown diminishing skills?

    2.) Unlike the Indy QB situation, the Patriots' have talented reserve QBs, Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett, being groomed to some day take over for Tom;
    How do you know they are talented?  Further, assuming they are talented, how do you know they can perform when the time comes?

    3.) Unlike Peyton, Tom appears to be healthy. But, if Tom had Peyton's neck troubles, I'd do the deal;
    ok

    4.) Tom is a leader, and still dedicated to winning. 
    And Manning is not?

    Sorry for the typo - trying to do too many things at once.  If the pats could select Luck, should they.  No qualifications.  Simply yes or no. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Suck for Luck Sweepstakes :      How do you know that uck won't develop into another Manning? A lot of people think that he has that kind of talent.      The Colts are going to have to "retool the whole thing" anyway. Their core players are all approaching their mid-30s (Saturday, Wayne, Clark, Freeney, Brackett, Mathis). Plus, there's no guarantee that the 36 year old Peyton (in 2012) will ever be able to play again.
    Posted by TexasPat3[/QUOTE]

    Well, how do you know he will?  Stepping up to Peyton's level is kinda steep.  Expecting him to be Manning is a little silly.  He'll bring his own game in which led to my assumption of the retooling.  My point was more about scheme than age.
     
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    I heard there was a bone fusion in Peyton's neck.  Is this true or does anybody know what exactly is going on?  Bone fusion is not a good sign of things to come.
     
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    gary - I believe you are correct.
     
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    UD6....I feel your pain on the colts season. about Jbolt not surprised he was awol after that loss he and Jints are two peas in pod... a couple of frontrunners.
     

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