Re: Sums Up The Defense
posted at 6/24/2014 4:14 PM EDT
In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:
Actually, I've been saying all along that without BB's coaching, the team with the talent it has would be lucky to be 8 and 8. So that blows your claim that I don't value coaching right out of the water. I think it's the coaching that gets the team as far as it's gone. The talent issues are just what keeps it from going over the hump.
You, on the other hand, think BB can't coach effectively or-- as you argue above--can't build a team effectively without Charlie Weis by his side. Given the Pats remarkable record since Weis left, that's just laughable.
Not just Weis, the list is long.
I mention Weis because IMO he was a big loss, he understood football is won in the trenches with big, mean guys, I believe coaches since have relied solely on Brady when the reality is because of Brady, all you should be concerned about is everyone else.
BB is a defense guy, a defensive backs coach, I would almost guess he enjoys it more and so do I.
My position for over a decade has been that the Patriots should have hired a talented play caller in our system or kept Weis, paid him more, coaches don't count against the cap.
Re: Sums Up The Defense
posted at 6/24/2014 4:41 PM EDT
In response to cyncalpatfan's comment:
In response to TripleOG's comment:
Exactly. I am not saying its easy to defend a guy like Eli BUT we can agree the talent on the Defense side of the ball was probably one of the worst in history. This is what we mean when we say BB the GM makes BB the coaches job harder than it needs to be.
You almost have to ask does he handicap himself on purpose to create a challenge because for years we have went into the postseason with a good position, top seed only to miss a great opportunity because the overall TEAM lacked talent. What role did special teams play in either of the last SB's?? When was the last time we had a decent return man that could consistently get us to the 30 atleast?? Bethel Johnson?!?! Thats Horrible? How about giving Brady more than one option at WR besides the slow and short Wes Welker?! How about fielding a safety that has starting experience on his resume? How about having ONE legit pass rusher to speed up Eli progressions and force an INT?? How about an O line that gives Brady time to throw since you dont/cant/wont run it enough to keep the defense honest?? All this comes down to BB, whom I love but Ive been disappointing with his ideology of thinking its ok to put it ALL on your best player while ignoring other positions of importance for YEARS! Its taken 10 years for us to feel confident about our D going in and now its gonna be even harder because of the opponents in the NFC now who are the most physical teams Ive seen in some time. B-more beat San Fran ONLY because they were nasty and physical enough to go toe to toe with them. Even if BB gets back to the SB, I don't have much confidence that we can beat Seattle or San Fran, two teams who love to beat up finesse offenses and have power run games to eat the clock. We have seen the ending to that story. Now we have to hope for health, luck and bounce of ball.
We squandered opportunities to win in 2006, 2007, 2011 IMO as those were winnable end games we lost due to our D not holding in the end. When you are hands down the best coach of your era and arguably all time, that should not happen that often if your team was built to win. How come BB figured he had to change his offense to try to outscore opponents in a passing league but for years did nothing to combat the other teams passing by addressing a pass rusher??!! He tried to fix it with Tully Banta Cain, Derrick Burgess, S.Crables of the world!?!?
Not good enough and even this year, I am not too excited about adding 33 y/o Will Smith and the current backups(Buchanan, Bequette) did ZILCH last year. Other teams are getting more out of their D line rotation by good drafting and PAYING for GOOD Free agents! Not problem players like Fanene and Armstead who are longshots.
ok, Rant Over
Don't forget, it's BB the coach who is telling BB the GM who he wants BB the GM to draft and trade for. I guess that puts a little tarnish on BB the coach. Of course, if BB the GM had the cajones to stand-up to BB the coach then maybe BB the GM would draft more talented players. But, then BB the coach would probably be all passive aggressive about it and purposefully choose not to work with the players that BB the GM selected against BB the coach's wishes, thereby resulting in turmoil and discord within the team. If only there was BB the owner, he would show those two clowns who was in charge!
Anybody else have a headache yet?
LMAO! Yep, pretty much!
All in all, we have different ways to look at it but the bottom line is the same. We are all craving that next Ring after 10 years of Almost, not enough, injuries,etc.
Pro, I do agree thats it harder for BB to get players in the draft but not totally. You have to do research. What weve heard is sometimes BB makes his scouts useless by ignoring important red flags and after last offseason we should know this is true. So while I agree somewhat, Seattle just won a SB with a good deal of late round picks contributing,,,led by 5th rounder Sherman. I was the one who slapped Rusty when he said Seattle had all 1st round pics on D 2 years ago. They have E.Thomas, some great draft picks who play and produce and they SPENT MONEY in free agency. Even if we throw out the draft, we have free agency, another team building resource which BB was horrible at the last couple years until this April when he landed Revis and some can even question the logic of paying one guy 12 million/year while BB goes to Building #19 for pass rushers.
All in all, BB HAS squandered some oppty's, wether it be the GM/Coach whoever and Im hoping THIS year or next he puts it all together and we have something to show for it. This guy has every ounce of knowledge, info available yet makes head scratching decisions that make you wonder if Ego is an issue. Most notably, releasing McGowan, Meriweather and Sanders all in one offseason(none of them breaking the bank) to go into a season with Chung, S.Brown, Ihedebo, Ventrone as your core group of safeties! I mean what the h3ll was that about?
This is one reason why we lost the last SB. No one in the secondary to make a difference. Didnt help that McCourty was a turnstyle that season in his 2nd year. Do the math. No playmaker in the back end + NO PASS RUSH = loss most times. Having a H.O.F. Qb though almost masked it if not for Brady getting injured late in the game. I just want the team to NOT be so reliant on the QB going forward. I think we have addressed most needs although Im still concerned a bit with our SS and backup DE situation.
I AM Excited about the season though and I understand you cant be all pro every position but your depth should PLAY when your starters are gassed... Just gotta hope the presence of a shutdown CB will have this D on track again. Everyone else(on the D line) is either unproven or coming off an injury(Fork, Kelly, Easley, W.Smith) Be nice to have ONE solid guy on the line in his prime with clean bill of health. I guess that is Chandler Jones but his sack total was misleading last year. 4 of those were vs the Jets! And he only got 1 sack in the last 5 games(although that was due to not getting rest)