surpriseing pick by the pats in next years draft?

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    surpriseing pick by the pats in next years draft?

    do these guys know something we dont?

    http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2ffeatures%2frumors
     
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    [QUOTE]do these guys know something we dont? http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors?&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2ffeatures%2frumors
    Posted by mosseffect43[/QUOTE]


    Did you see a name? 

    Its probably some BS...nobody knows what BB is looking for.

     
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    Re: surpriseing pick by the pats in next years draft?

    Please re-print here for the non-insiders.

     
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    Re: surpriseing pick by the pats in next years draft?

    I've been aruging this possibility for a while now.  Tebow has the chance to change the perception that all teams need a pure pocket passer to succeed.  He won't be Brady or Manning in the pocket, but his size/speed/athleticism/ability to throw (though that needs some refining, which a quality NFL coach can do) will allow him to do things that no other wildcat/spread player in the league can currently do and possibly full time.

    Will it happen?  Who knows, but the possibility is there.
     
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    I can't see the article, but if they have Belichick going after Tebow in round 1 they are very wrong. Belichick only drafts QBs in the 6 round or later, unless we forget the last QB he drafted when he should've drafted a defensive player (round 3) - O'Connell, Davey. 


    Belichick is going after a LB or DE. Maybe, just maybe, we might see Crable on the field next year because I doubt Seau is going to be back. 

    LB, DE, (If Bodden walks) CB, RB. 
     
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    [QUOTE]I can't see the article, but if they have Belichick going after Tebow in round 1 they are very wrong. Belichick only drafts QBs in the 6 round or later, unless we forget the last QB he drafted when he should've drafted a defensive player (round 3) - O'Connell, Davey.  Belichick is going after a LB or DE. Maybe, just maybe, we might see Crable on the field next year because I doubt Seau is going to be back.  LB, DE, (If Bodden walks) CB, RB. 
    Posted by 49Patriots[/QUOTE] I dont have a subscription,but they are rumoring a surprise pick this early in time. they could put this up months from now. this is why im curious. just wondering what they might have heard.
     
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    I think there is a small possibility that they draft Tebow, but only if he is still available in the (late) second or third round.  When Tebow was trying to decide if he should come out or stay in school one of the few people he talked to was Bill Belichick.  I could see using Tebow in the wildcat, and having him sit and learn from Brady for 3-4 years, like Steve Young did in SF behind Montana.
     
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    I don't see it happening.

    Interesting iin a freak show kind of way? Sure. But otherwise.

    I think that is in essence, drafting Tebow to be a fullback (which is how most teams view him) who can also throw the ball. 1/10th wildcat.

    It would keep people honest on FB running plays. But unless you plan on having concussion prone Tebow carry the ball 150-200 times a year, it makes almost no sense.

    Now drafting Tebow to be your H-back isn't so bad an idea, becuase he has great hands and as a QB (even if he is from Florida) has an understanding of the offense that other H-Backs wouldn't have.

    I love the idea of converting Qbs to other spots.
     
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    Pats could make shocking pick

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    One of the league's most prolific offenses might have a new trick up its sleeve as of next season if all goes to plan.

    During a chat on Deadspin, NFL scribe Peter King dropped the following bombshell: "I know two coaches in the NFL who are intrigued with what a running QB like [Tim] Tebow can do by being himself -- Belichick and Harbaugh."

    Some have always wondered if there would ever be a formation with two QBs in the backfield -- one fleet-footed and the other more pocket-oriented -- and we might see this happen if the Pats do elect to grab Tebow in the draft. Instead of converting the most popular man in Florida to a new position, the Pats would then force teams to prepare for both QBs on every play.

    With three second round picks -- including what figure to be choice-cut selections courtesy of the Titans and Jags -- the Pats are in great shape to welcome Mr. Tebow to Foxboro.

     
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    Peter King dont know $ h ! +
     
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    i hope not.  i hate him.  everytime he throws the ball deep its got a duck-like spin to it.  he pulls the ball down and runs way too much.
     
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    Re: surpriseing pick by the pats in next years draft?

    O'Connell could have played that role a bit, with less worries if he got injured.

    Too bad he couldn't impress the team a little more than he did.



     
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    I am HS coach and here's something to think about...one of our WR's went to the FL camp this past summer and caught passes from Tebow.  When he came back he said our current QB (who is HS junior) throws a better ball than him...hmmm!!!
     
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    [QUOTE]I am HS coach and here's something to think about...one of our WR's went to the FL camp this past summer and caught passes from Tebow.  When he came back he said our current QB (who is HS junior) throws a better ball than him...hmmm!!!
    Posted by Patsfan1033[/QUOTE]

    Better ball = tighter spiral I'm assuming?

     
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    This notion is also piggybacked on the strength of BB's relationship with Urban Meyer.  And, it did seem like we were hanging on to our top pick to get Harvin last year and then traded down as soon as Minn. grabbed him.

    Tebow would be used most on goal line, and then even as TE / RB more than a true QB, and to waste a 2d and 3d round pick on a limited role-player is nuts.


    The other BB relationship with a NCAAF coach is Saban - and if Ingram at Ala. is a decent prospect, that would make more sense for the Pat's needs.
     
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    i would say a more surprise pick would be like dez braynt or noel divine tebow would be god i guess but wudnt want  him runnin any plays till brady is done with his career, let him watch and could u imagine if tebow pick up brad's skills and coul still run like a beast???? i hate tebow but that would be unstoppable, but id rather pick up dez braynt nd have moss teach him the ways of bein a rand moss type reciever

     
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    [QUOTE]This notion is also piggybacked on the strength of BB's relationship with Urban Meyer.  And, it did seem like we were hanging on to our top pick to get Harvin last year and then traded down as soon as Minn. grabbed him. Tebow would be used most on goal line, and then even as TE / RB more than a true QB, and to waste a 2d and 3d round pick on a limited role-player is nuts. The other BB relationship with a NCAAF coach is Saban - and if Ingram at Ala. is a decent prospect, that would make more sense for the Pat's needs.
    Posted by JDonalds75[/QUOTE]


    Ingram is only a sophmore and not draft eligible, but he's definitely someone to keep an eye on for 2011.

     
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    [QUOTE]I've been aruging this possibility for a while now.  Tebow has the chance to change the perception that all teams need a pure pocket passer to succeed.  He won't be Brady or Manning in the pocket, but his size/speed/athleticism/ability to throw (though that needs some refining, which a quality NFL coach can do) will allow him to do things that no other wildcat/spread player in the league can currently do and possibly full time. Will it happen?  Who knows, but the possibility is there.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]


    Tebow would be strictly a H-back/wildcat type.  He doesn't have an NFL arm, plain and simple.  Can't make the throws.  He is obviously a leader with a lot of intangibles, and he can contribute to an NFL team, just not as a starting QB.

     
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    [QUOTE]I've been aruging this possibility for a while now.  Tebow has the chance to change the perception that all teams need a pure pocket passer to succeed.  He won't be Brady or Manning in the pocket, but his size/speed/athleticism/ability to throw (though that needs some refining, which a quality NFL coach can do) will allow him to do things that no other wildcat/spread player in the league can currently do and possibly full time. Will it happen?  Who knows, but the possibility is there.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    mbeaulieu, Not to be skeptical, But Your Post looks like it was cut and pasted from an article I read a few years ago...the only difference is where "Tim Tebow" is now, "Jamarcus Russell" was inserted then...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: surpriseing pick by the pats in next years draft? : Tebow would be strictly a H-back/wildcat type.  He doesn't have an NFL arm, plain and simple.  Can't make the throws.  He is obviously a leader with a lot of intangibles, and he can contribute to an NFL team, just not as a starting QB.
    Posted by Muzwell[/QUOTE]

    I'm not denying that he needs work on mechanics and reading defenses from the pocket etc, but he absolutely has an NFL arm, and can make all the throws.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: surpriseing pick by the pats in next years draft? : mbeaulieu , Not to be skeptical, But Your Post looks like it was cut and pasted from an article I read a few years ago...the only difference is where " Tim Tebow " is now, " Jamarcus Russell " was inserted then...
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium[/QUOTE]


    Well your first mistake is comparing a one trick pony (Russell/arm strength and nothing else) who has rocks in his head to Tebow.

    I'm assuming that was your attempt at humor.......

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: surpriseing pick by the pats in next years draft? : I'm not denying that he needs work on mechanics and reading defenses from the pocket etc, but he absolutely has an NFL arm, and can make all the throws.
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    We'll just have to disagree on that point.  When he stands in the pocket and throws, the QB he brings most to mind is Byron Leftwich, except without as much arm strength.  Very slow, mechanical delivery.  Has a real problem with the out routes that are essential in the pros.  I see a running back who can pass the ball out of a wildcat or other motion type formation.  If they want an NFL arm to groom behind Brady, better off looking at Tony Pike.  Matt Grothe can do about everything Tebow can do and he'll probably go undrafted.  He just didn't have a comparable supporting cast (and he got hurt).
     
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    ~All's said however, This is an interesting concept that forward thinking Belichick should and could find some interesting possibilities with:   "Some have always wondered if there would ever be a formation with two QBs in the backfield -- one fleet-footed and the other more pocket-oriented --"...Talk about spreading a Defense out with a killer Halfback Option play, Let alone what amazing innovations BB could muster...

    THIS said, I hope Belichick addresses the need of Big Fast Runningback with alot of years left on his tank first and foremost (1st rd), Then either a pass-rushing OLB and a #2 WR (either order-2nd rd)...HOWever, IF just the WR or pass-rush specialist could be found in Free Agency next year, I could see us going after Tim Tebow with our mid-2nd rder (the #2 second round pick if Tebow is still there).  In that case, That's a selection I would certainly hail as a decent pickup...
     
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    In a more surprising move, the Pats draft D. Caraway out of Temecula, CA.  Caraway is over 40, chubby, balding, and never played college football.  He can however, run the 40 in 11 seconds and has a vertical leap of 6 inches.  When NFL draft analyst Mel Kiper was asked about this surprising move he simply said "drafting Caraway was about as predictable and likely as guessing who a team will draft next year in October".  He further explained that you just don't know what the draft order will be.  You don't know what team needs will be due to FA's leaving, injuries, retirements, etc.  You don't know which underclassmen might enter the draft.  You don't know whether a valued player will slip and be too good to pass up.  You don't even know if you will trade out of a round until draft day.

    In summary, the experts trying to guess who BB will draft are full of it; especially at this time of the year.  Sure he may like Tebo, but there is a long long way from being liked to being drafted.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: surpriseing pick by the pats in next years draft? : Well your first mistake is comparing a one trick pony (Russell/arm strength and nothing else) who has rocks in his head to Tebow. I'm assuming that was your attempt at humor.......
    Posted by mbeaulieu07[/QUOTE]

    It was a shoddy, unspectacular, yet non-derisive towards yourself in any way attempt at humor...(it's Friday and near quitting time, ya know) ;^)
     
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