Tavon Wilson: My Scouting Report

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    Thanks for the info MB.  At least you looked at him before you made an opinion. 
     
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    I don't see it. Slow (soft) to react in run support. Gets beat here (4:50) in passing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3hN0U5rjjo&feature=relmfu Haven't watched whole video.. In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson: My Scouting Report :
    Posted by mav31rick


    I don't know if I'd call him slow, but the guy is small and was getting creamed all over the place in the run game from the stuff I saw. I really expected to see a kid that was beefy, because when they showed his face during draft day it had this doughy look to it - then I see him running around and he looks like a tooth pick. 

    I've got to say from the stuff I saw he looked like a poor man's Ellis Hobbs to me...a try hard kid that will be overmatched by larger players or guys that can run.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson: My Scouting Report : I don't know if I'd call him slow, but the guy is small and was getting creamed all over the place in the run game from the stuff I saw. I really expected to see a kid that was beefy, because when they showed his face during draft day it had this doughy look to it - then I see him running around and he looks like a tooth pick.  I've got to say from the stuff I saw he looked like a poor man's Ellis Hobbs to me...a try hard kid that will be overmatched by larger players or guys that can run.
    Posted by mthurl


    I don't really get the size argument here.  Is size up for debate now? It's an opinion?  Scouts get together and decide how big a player is?  It's very measurable I think.  He's 6', 205.  That's nearly identical to every safety in the draft.  It's bigger than Chung, bigger than Polamalu, and bigger than Ed Reed. 

    You certainly don't have to like his play but there's nothing in his measurables that says he doesn't have NFL size, and speed- he does.
     
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    ...he has a lot of what they value in a player: *Versatile and lines up all over the field, outside, slot, deep half, box, outside/inside blitz etc. ..
    Posted by mbeaulieu07


    everything you said i agree with based on their game against ucla, but this one was the quality that really stood out to me in that game.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson: My Scouting Report : I don't really get the size argument here.  Is size up for debate now? It's an opinion?  Scouts get together and decide how big a player is?  It's very measurable I think.  He's 6', 205.  That's nearly identical to every safety in the draft.  It's bigger than Chung, bigger than Polamalu, and bigger than Ed Reed.  You certainly don't have to like his play but there's nothing in his measurables that says he doesn't have NFL size, and speed- he does.
    Posted by shenanigan


    I thought he was more 5'10", but honestly it doesn't matter, if you watch some of the tape that's out there on him you'll see that he just looks small and gets pushed around. In all honesty in the segments of the video that were run plays, I really couldn't believe my eyes - he was clearly not strong enough to help.

    But it's not really about the size thing anyways shenanigan, it's more about how dare anyone question the selection of this or anything the patriots do..right?. We should all be coming to boston.com to rah rah shu come buh everything...no questions asked...no complaining...just grab the old pom pom and let it fly baby!!

    I cheer for the pats when they are on during Sundays. As a fan of free agency/draft/etc, I like to heaven forbid have an opinion. Did you actually watch the videos or are you just flying around here calling everyone negative and spoiled?
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson: My Scouting Report : I thought he was more 5'10", but honestly it doesn't matter, if you watch some of the tape that's out there on him you'll see that he just looks small and gets pushed around. In all honesty in the segments of the video that were run plays, I really couldn't believe my eyes - he was clearly not strong enough to help. But it's not really about the size thing anyways shenanigan, it's more about how dare anyone question the selection of this or anything the patriots do..right?. We should all be coming to boston.com to rah rah shu come buh everything...no questions asked...no complaining...just grab the old pom pom and let it fly baby!! I cheer for the pats when they are on during Sundays. As a fan of free agency/draft/etc, I like to heaven forbid have an opinion. Did you actually watch the videos or are you just flying around here calling everyone negative and spoiled?
    Posted by mthurl


    I actually think he's too old to play safety.
     
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    ^Yeah, I think his hair is too long too..
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson: My Scouting Report : wow ... Id love to see this vid..Any Link ? ( on second thought ...maybe I dont want to see it ) MB ... Out of curiousity . If BB allowed you to make the pick at #48 , who would you have selected ?
    Posted by CaptnFoxboro

    Woops - Got the Illinois players messed up: Wilson gets burned only on the Post - the others were other DBs - Ebert had 4 TDs in the game.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWH9nzK-r80

    As for your question on 48 - If it was to be a DB I would probably have gone with Tr. Johnson or Taylor though I probably would have tried to move back with that pick if it was a DB. I was thinking DT/DE at that point.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson: My Scouting Report : I think its HIGHLY relevant.  Also throw in Wilhite and one other that escapes me right now.  It's relevant because it has been proven over and over that BB and the Pats seem to have a high level of failure when it comes to picking CB and Safties that make it in this league.  I assume they evaluated this kid the same way they did Butler, Wheatly, Wlihite, et al and we see how that panned out. Not saying the kid is going to be a bust but when you have the track record the Pats have had lately with CB and Safties, i am concerned to say the least.  I hope they got it right this time.
    Posted by Patsman3



    Just heard The God Father Gill Brandt say something like this...When you win more games then any other team in the league and have more draft picks then any other team for 10 years, its tough for draft picks to stick! Who do they replace? How long do you give them to earn playing time when 1 year later you are drafting 10 more guys to look at, especially when you are going 12-4 every year.

    Point being, it is a good thing when you have more picks then any other team, and an even better thing when you don't NEED them to stick.
     
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    Just for comparison, last dozen 48th picks:

    2011--Stefan Wisniewski--starting center for Raiders
    2010--Jimmy Clausen--back up QB for the Panthers
    2009--Darcel McBath--back up DB for Broncos
    2008--Fred Davis--starting TE for Redskins
    2007--Justin Durant--LB for Lions (drafted by Jags)
    2006--Cedric Griffin--CB for Redskins (was starting CB for Vikings through last year)
    2005--Odell Thurman--LB for Bengals (started first year; now out of league for violating substance abuse policy)
    2004--Dontarrious Thomse--LB Vikings (out of league after several years as back up)
    2003--Chris Kelsey--starting DE for Bills
    2002--Reche Caldwell--big staring eyes now out of league
    2001--Matt Light--retired
    2000--Jason Webster--CB, started for three years, then faded away




     
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    The very fact that Ill used him like a wildcard, inside/outside, up front and deep, makes him a fit in this backfield. Everyone BB chooses at safety has done all those things. 

    That is the fit for me. Versatility. 

    And yeah, he actually has some video shedding blockers in the box.

    That is food for thought. 

    Maybe NE does still need an over the top safety? Maybe BB thinks of McCourty in that role? I do. 
     
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    Chandler Jones was projected to go in the early 2nd round yet BB moved up in the first to get him.  Where's the outrage there?  What was he thinking? The thing about this whole Wilson mess is that we go by different boards than the Pats do.  They have spent more time and money evaluating this guy and had him high on their board.  He wasn't a 6th or 7th rounder on their board.  He was a 2nd rounder.  The talent they passed up around this guy tells you what they think of him.
    Posted by garytx


    It's because there is plenty of information and opinions available that justify the pick.  Mike Mayock, who knows something about football, rated him the #9 prospect and said he could ultimately be the best defensive player in the draft.  Believe what you want to believe, and obviously, the reality won't be known for awile, but at least some people were saying good things about Jones.  Nobody was talking about Wilson.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson: My Scouting Report : It's because there is plenty of information and opinions available that justify the pick.  Mike Mayock, who knows something about football, rated him the #9 prospect and said he could ultimately be the best defensive player in the draft.  Believe what you want to believe, and obviously, the reality won't be known for awile, but at least some people were saying good things about Jones.  Nobody was talking about Wilson.
    Posted by sfpat


    Except when the pick was made and the man you just credited as knowing something about football said, this kid is a high riser on draft boards.

    Then today Jim Miller says this kid is a 3 year starter with great production at a tough program, he then said, "this kid can flat out play football, no surprises here".

    Oh yeah then there is BB himself, who also knows a thing or 2 about football saying he doesn't know who invites kids to the combine? Why wasn't Volmer invited to the combine? Insinuating this kid is the real deal and he had him rated as a high rd safety....which makes sense considering he drafted him where he did.
     
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    Thanks for the report, some good information and insight as to why bb drafted him. 

    I was as shocked as everyone else when the pick was made, only because I had not heard of him and he was rated so low by many of the so called "experts" .
    I'm going to have to go with what bb thinks on this one, the more i'm reading on him he is looking better all of the time and why bb drafted him. 


     
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    The very fact that Ill used him like a wildcard, inside/outside, up front and deep, makes him a fit in this backfield. Everyone BB chooses at safety has done all those things.  That is the fit for me. Versatility.  And yeah, he actually has some video shedding blockers in the box. That is food for thought.  Maybe NE does still need an over the top safety? Maybe BB thinks of McCourty in that role? I do. 
    Posted by zbellino


    Also, we use a lot of 5 and 6 DB formations . . . having a guy who can play effectively in the box from a DB position is a nice thing when you're short a LB or DL. 


     
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    Let's pretend you are working the draft. There is a player you REALLY like and think has some great potential to make an impact. You think some other teams may be interested in him as well. You aren't 100%, but you think he may be taken. Would you rather take him when he is available, or wait another round and risk another team selecting him?

    I would select the player where I, an NFL head coach and evaluator of talent, valued him.

    BB was obviously high on the kid and didn't want anyone else to select him. I don't understand why so many people are up in arms about this. Because some fools on ESPN that don't know anything about him disagree with the pick? Those guys don't know anything about players that didn't go to the combine. They saw he wasn't invited so they figured he was irrelevant and made some stuff up about him after minimal, if any, film analysis.
     
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    Let's pretend you are working the draft. There is a player you REALLY like and think has some great potential to make an impact. You think some other teams may be interested in him as well. You aren't 100%, but you think he may be taken. Would you rather take him when he is available, or wait another round and risk another team selecting him? I would select the player where I, an NFL head coach and evaluator of talent, valued him. BB was obviously high on the kid and didn't want anyone else to select him. I don't understand why so many people are up in arms about this. Because some fools on ESPN that don't know anything about him disagree with the pick? Those guys don't know anything about players that didn't go to the combine. They saw he wasn't invited so they figured he was irrelevant and made some stuff up about him after minimal, if any, film analysis.
    Posted by magicalhobo


    I think probably more importantly for BB there was no one else he was particularly high on at that spot - obviously no clue what their draft board looked like, but I think making that pick and trading 62 suggests that there were not 2 or 3 other DBs they had any interest in at 2nd or 3rd round grades. It isn't just who you select, it is also who else isn't on your board.
     
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    I can't believe ONE pick has cause all this commotion, is not like BB wasted a 1st round pick on the guy. He (BB) thought highly enough of the kid that he couldn't pass on him or waited for him to be there in later rounds. If he thought he was going to be there in later rounds I'm 100% sure that BB would of traded down from 48. He clearly didn't think the world out of the other better players that were available at 48, I wanted still,worthy,wolfe,hill,reyes, but BB didn't. Just wait for the kid to play a down and then you can rate him as you please, but this has overshadowed every other pick that he made in this draft which improved the D at least on paper, isn't that what we all wanted?
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson: My Scouting Report : Just heard The God Father Gill Brandt say something like this...When you win more games then any other team in the league and have more draft picks then any other team for 10 years, its tough for draft picks to stick! Who do they replace? How long do you give them to earn playing time when 1 year later you are drafting 10 more guys to look at, especially when you are going 12-4 every year. Point being, it is a good thing when you have more picks then any other team, and an even better thing when you don't NEED them to stick.
    Posted by TrueChamp


    I listened to this too and also comments by Randy Cross. He brings out that late draft picks are actually inventory for the good teams. He was discussing the pick of Cousins ( in 5th?)  Why? possible insurance should Griffin ( running QB gets hurt ) or moreover possible trade bait in later years when teams may want a QB and would spend a 2nd, 3rd for your prevously drafted 5th guy.  Ooh sounds like our 7th round Matt Cassel?  Thats value.

    Likewise I got to thinking that when you are a good team, Pats are a SB team, what are the chances that  all your drafted guys make the 53 roster.. I think not much. Popular rule says that 1st round should be starters .. thus explaining BB trading out previously.. but not this year .. these guys should be studs.  Later rounds ( late second even!) are for depth and FUTURE.  So BB takes potential guys  that arent on the guru boards but are "football players"  and should be able to clear the process for placement on Practice Roster .. Ebert , Ebner. These guys become keepers and may eventualy contribute. My understanding this is similar to a waiver process.

    That being said I do not think that is the case for Wilson. He was a second, so  I think BB sees depth  at CB / S  PLUS big special teams capabilities.. he will be a keeper. This is the ultimate in "Bill We Trust"
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson: My Scouting Report : Except when the pick was made and the man you just credited as knowing something about football said, this kid is a high riser on draft boards. Then today Jim Miller says this kid is a 3 year starter with great production at a tough program, he then said, "this kid can flat out play football, no surprises here". Oh yeah then there is BB himself, who also knows a thing or 2 about football saying he doesn't know who invites kids to the combine? Why wasn't Volmer invited to the combine? Insinuating this kid is the real deal and he had him rated as a high rd safety....which makes sense considering he drafted him where he did.
    Posted by TrueChamp


    Wilson was rising so fast that Mayock just happened to forget to put him on his top 100 draft prospect and top 5 safety prospects, which is all he listed prior to the draft.  Statements made after the draft are discounted.  Would have been nice to see Mayock's top 200 prior to the draft.  Something tells me that one Tavon Wilson probably would not be on that list.
     
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    Hey Laz,
    Ever think that might have been his worst game? Possibly, maybe? Just askin!
     
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