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    I wonder if Nick Cesario needs to have some fingers pointed his way for that Wilson pick ?  BB needs someone with guts to step up and say "wait a minute Bill ...cant we get this guy later on ? "  You get the feeling he's surrounded by yes men ... how else can you explain this pick ?
    Posted by CaptnFoxboro


    yes captn. thats been my assessment for years and that is apparently because bb likes it that way. its a sign of one of his weaknesses (about the only place he has weaknesses, emotionally).
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson S :      Yeah, BB has three SB rings with the Pats...and poor personnel decisions, like the ones he made Friday night, will prevent him from picking up that elusive 4th ring.   Posted by TexasPat
    Oh wait, this was way better. I'm summarizing here but you are saying we will not win another sb because we drafted Tavon Wilson? I mean, that's really funny man.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson S :      Frustrating and disappointing to witness BB ruin what could have been a fabulous draft for the Patriots, with this hatchet job in day two. It's almost unimaginable how badly he botched things tonight. Horrible Wilson pick at #48, and bad value trade-down from #62 made absolutely no sense. BB tossed away two second round picks...passing up a ton of good players along the way. Extremely disappointing.
    Posted by TexasPat



    "  Frustrating and disappointing to witness BB ruin what could have been a fabulous draft for the Patriots, with this hatchet job in day two. It's almost unimaginable how badly he botched things tonight. Horrible Wilson pick at #48, and bad value trade-down from #62 made absolutely no sense. BB tossed away two second round picks...passing up a ton of good players along the way."

    agreed.
    i'm past it now.
    but totally true.
    lets focus on camp and what we can get out of what we have.
     
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    Some of you guys take this whole, "But the talking heads have him ranked here" thing way too seriously.

    BB has priapism for this kid and didn't want to risk losing out on him because someone else out there might have been thinking along the same lines.  He offers immediate versatility as he can play all across the secondary which BB just loves and which kind of fits our current needs. 

    Did he over reach?  Yep, no doubt about it.  But between the tape and his private workout and meeting with this kid he got enough of a sense where he felt the difference between him and the other secondary options on the board wasn't that great, and this kid may have more potential.  So pipe down and dry your eyes children.  Regardless of how you cut it, our defense is remarkably better now than it was 48 hours ago. 
     
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    Some of you guys take this whole, "But the talking heads have him ranked here" thing way too seriously. BB has priapism for this kid and didn't want to risk losing out on him because someone else out there might have been thinking along the same lines.  He offers immediate versatility as he can play all across the secondary which BB just loves and which kind of fits our current needs.  Did he over reach?  Yep, no doubt about it.  But between the tape and his private workout and meeting with this kid he got enough of a sense where he felt the difference between him and the other secondary options on the board wasn't that great, and this kid may have more potential.  So pipe down and dry your eyes children.  Regardless of how you cut it, our defense is remarkably better now than it was 48 hours ago. 
    Posted by agill1970


    " So pipe down and dry your eyes children"

    nice touch. in time we may recover.
    especially if we have a winning season.

    with a larger perspective, if i had to trade blowing the 2nd round for the 2 trade ups and maximizing the first, i would.

    i mean its bb.

    at least he did the un-bb like thing and went aggressive in round 1.

    (instead of trading back 4 times starting in round 1 and taking a group of jags).


    thanks for the post

    "gramps"

    :)


    ps is that your dog?
     
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    if jones, as mayock predicts, turns into the best defensive player in this draft, we'll  cut bb some slack for picking the 26th rated safety in round 2 and losing the equivelent of a 3rd round pick in trading back #62.
     
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    It's sorta disturbing how complicated this is for some.... 1st 2nd Round Pick...on ANYyyyone of the NUMBEROUS Highly Talented Draftees still available. 2nd 2nd Rd Selection you do what Belichick did- Trade it for a 3rd and a 5th...  You then "use" (i.e. "completely bl0w it") that 3rd rder to "only" draft Tavon Wilson a mere 4 rounds ahead of where anyone else on Earth would've drafted him at <insert here: I'm sure there were alot of times high enough on the 250th ranked guy, to use the 48th overall pick on him />. This really isn't hard people.  And look, I'm very sorry that you follow The NFL Draft 2 weeks to 1 Whole Month a year, fully educated on those 1-2 websites you look at for 30 whole minutes nearly 3 whole times a week (but still, only during this 2 week- 1 month span).  I know that makes you believe things like: "The NFL Draft is a TOTAL Cr#p shoot...you just NEVER can have even an inkling on whether or not 1 prospect just might be more successful than another in the pros," Along with this beauty- "Belichick is The Head Coach of our NE Team, and we win A-Lot under him...therefore-EVERY pick=Genius," And finally- "Pleeease, what do 10,000 Draft analysts know about rating guys each & every prospect, Almost ALL within 40 <or FAR less /> projected selection spots of each Draftee," And finally- "Rob Gronkowski was a 2nd Rder...just like Tavon Wilson=Same principle for probable Pro success." Here, you have to choose 1 guy outta these 4 to throw on your football team: Peter Konz Devon Still Casey Heyward Mohammed Sanu Kendall Reyes Vinny Curry Brandon Thompson And... Tavon Wilson Will you EVER choose Tavon Wilson?!? <people that have thoroughly studied ALL 2012 NFL Draft Prospects throughout the course of the last 3 weeks...please chime in as well />.
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium


    hes the only guy who belongs 5 rounds below the rest of those names
     
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    Some of the posts I've read in this thread included phrases such as:
    'ruined the draft'
    'horrible pick'
    'was BB drunk'
    'guy's a clown'
    'could have been had much later'
    'no one else had him anywhere near this high'
    'wasted pick'

    and the whining and second-guessing go on and on.

    No disrespect to anyone because you've certainly got a right to your opinions and this board is the place to voice 'em, but I'll take BB's judgment over all of yours collectively 1,000 times out of 1,000. 

    Before labeling the kid a complete bust perhaps we should see him play.
     
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    Some of the posts I've read in this thread included phrases such as: 'ruined the draft' 'horrible pick' 'was BB drunk' 'guy's a clown' 'could have been had much later' 'no one else had him anywhere near this high' 'wasted pick' and the whining and second-guessing go on and on. No disrespect to anyone because you've certainly got a right to your opinions and this board is the place to voice 'em, but I'll take BB's judgment over all of yours collectively 1,000 times out of 1,000.  Before labeling the kid a complete bust perhaps we should see him play.
    Posted by ATJ

       Exactly.   BB doesnt care what any one elses scouting reports say. He goes by his scouting list. Maybe he got wind someone was going to take him in the 3rd, so he decided he wanted him enough, to draft him in the 2nd. None of us knows what went on in the draft room.
     
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    Read this and sut up. Only time will tell what's his worth or any other picks for that matter.

    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7865727/tavon-wilson-reach-round-2-not-bill-belichick

     
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    Pretty frustrating pick: I waited til late in the night (European time) for watching that... Selecting that new Wilson guy was a major reach.
    If BB was so badly needing a safety why not drafting Smith instead of Hightower at the end of the first round?
    To me he pulled the trigger because he found no one to trade down that first 2nd round pick and knew he would trade the 2nd one for 3rd day picks. So I ask myself: if he needed so badly draft picks for the 3rd day why trading up twice in the first place?
    I am puzzled.
     
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    Yes Gronk, Volmer were great picks! With Spikes will know more this year. And with the exception of Chung, as far as safety is concerned, the Pats have not done their homework when it comes to second round picks. I am not sure McCourty will ever be a solid CB. He may have a future at safety though. So not entirely a bust.  In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson S:
    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson S : Really? I mean, really? I'll see your pile and raise you ONLY a Gronkowski. I don't even need to mention Vollmer, Chung, or Spikes.
    Posted by ma6dragon9

     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson S : " So pipe down and dry your eyes children" nice touch. in time we may recover. especially if we have a winning season. with a larger perspective, if i had to trade blowing the 2nd round for the 2 trade ups and maximizing the first, i would. i mean its bb. at least he did the un-bb like thing and went aggressive in round 1. (instead of trading back 4 times starting in round 1 and taking a group of jags). thanks for the post "gramps" :) ps is that your dog?
    Posted by bredbru


    Yes it is.  Oscar the mini daschund from hell. 
     
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    http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7865727/tavon-wilson-reach-round-2-not-bill-belichick
     
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    you're the expert?

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    It's sorta disturbing how complicated this is for some.... 1st 2nd Round Pick...on ANYyyyone of the NUMBEROUS Highly Talented Draftees still available. 2nd 2nd Rd Selection you do what Belichick did- Trade it for a 3rd and a 5th...  You then "use" (i.e. "completely bl0w it") that 3rd rder to "only" draft Tavon Wilson a mere 4 rounds ahead of where anyone else on Earth would've drafted him at <insert here: I'm sure there were alot of times high enough on the 250th ranked guy, to use the 48th overall pick on him />. This really isn't hard people.  And look, I'm very sorry that you follow The NFL Draft 2 weeks to 1 Whole Month a year, fully educated on those 1-2 websites you look at for 30 whole minutes nearly 3 whole times a week (but still, only during this 2 week- 1 month span).  I know that makes you believe things like: "The NFL Draft is a TOTAL Cr#p shoot...you just NEVER can have even an inkling on whether or not 1 prospect just might be more successful than another in the pros," Along with this beauty- "Belichick is The Head Coach of our NE Team, and we win A-Lot under him...therefore-EVERY pick=Genius," And finally- "Pleeease, what do 10,000 Draft analysts know about rating guys each & every prospect, Almost ALL within 40 <or FAR less /> projected selection spots of each Draftee," And finally- "Rob Gronkowski was a 2nd Rder...just like Tavon Wilson=Same principle for probable Pro success." Here, you have to choose 1 guy outta these 4 to throw on your football team: Peter Konz Devon Still Casey Heyward Mohammed Sanu Kendall Reyes Vinny Curry Brandon Thompson And... Tavon Wilson Will you EVER choose Tavon Wilson?!? <people that have thoroughly studied ALL 2012 NFL Draft Prospects throughout the course of the last 3 weeks...please chime in as well />.
    Posted by LazarusintheSanatorium

     
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    Read this and sut up. Only time will tell what's his worth or any other picks for that matter. http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7865727/tavon-wilson-reach-round-2-not-bill-belichick
    Posted by NYPat


    OHHHH! HIGH FIVE!

    As I said before, the mock drafts and "experts" don't always know what they are talking about. Most would still have, or would have, an NFL job if they did. Most pertinent exerpt in my opinion:

    "But others might look closer and learn that Wilson had seven teams that brought him in for visits (Buccaneers, Texans, Cardinals, Falcons, Colts, Ravens, Chargers), while Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio and director of college scouting Jon Robinson -- along with another club -- worked him out privately.

    So while draft analysts might have missed the mark on Wilson, it's not like other teams in the league were sleeping on him and the positive traits that made him a desirable prospect. In recent weeks Wilson was a "travel guy" in scouting circles, the player who has a high volume of visits as clubs attempt to gather more information on him before setting their draft board."

     

    There's you CONCRETE proof (as concrete as any info like this ever is). There's you interest from other teams. OK?!?!?!?!?! Many asked, there it is.

     

    NYPat gets all the credit, I'm pasting this everywhere I see people crying about Wilson.

     
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    Read this and sut up. Only time will tell what's his worth or any other picks for that matter. http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7865727/tavon-wilson-reach-round-2-not-bill-belichick
    Posted by NYPat


    What did you expect BB to say......yea we really reached on this kid, terrible player who we could have had in the 7th?  Of course he's going to defend his pick.  Two years from now when the kid is released BB will just say it didn't work out and act the same as cutting an UDFA and not mention he was the 48th pick
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson S : OHHHH! HIGH FIVE! As I said before, the mock drafts and "experts" don't always know what they are talking about. Most would still have, or would have, an NFL job if they did. Most pertinent exerpt in my opinion: "But others might look closer and learn that Wilson had seven teams that brought him in for visits (Buccaneers, Texans, Cardinals, Falcons, Colts, Ravens, Chargers), while Patriots director of player personnel Nick Caserio and director of college scouting Jon Robinson -- along with another club -- worked him out privately. So while draft analysts might have missed the mark on Wilson, it's not like other teams in the league were sleeping on him and the positive traits that made him a desirable prospect. In recent weeks Wilson was a "travel guy" in scouting circles, the player who has a high volume of visits as clubs attempt to gather more information on him before setting their draft board."   There's you CONCRETE proof (as concrete as any info like this ever is). There's you interest from other teams. OK?!?!?!?!?! Many asked, there it is.   NYPat gets all the credit, I'm pasting this everywhere I see people crying about Wilson.
    Posted by ma6dragon9


    And seven visits and $5 will get a small coffee somewhere.  Just because he visited a team doesn't mean that team had any interest in him, especially in the 2nd round.  The Pats work out hundreds of players every year and very few, if any, of those who visit are actually drafted by the Pats.  Surprisingly, that's the best defense of the pick that anyone can make.
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson S : And seven visits and $5 will get a small coffee somewhere.  Just because he visited a team doesn't mean that team had any interest in him, especially in the 2nd round.  The Pats work out hundreds of players every year and very few, if any, of those who visit are actually drafted by the Pats.  Surprisingly, that's the best defense of the pick that anyone can make.
    Posted by sfpat

    Wrong.  Teams are limited to 30 pre-draft visits from potential draftees.  The fact that SEVEN teams used one of those precious 30 visits on Wilson shows there was more interest than "7th round/UDFA."
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson S : Wrong.  Teams are limited to 30 pre-draft visits from potential draftees.  The fact that SEVEN teams used one of those precious 30 visits on Wilson shows there was more interest than "7th round/UDFA."
    Posted by MattC05


    +1
     
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    In Response to Re: Tavon Wilson S : that's your opinion. Based off what? internet mocks? chat boards? you tube?
    Posted by ctpat


    Basically, all of the above.  It's amazing what information can be found on the internet.  In the past, when BB made a WTH pick, one could go on the internet and quickly find all the information needed to validate the pick, even someone like Wheatley (ran 4.38, played very well when not injured).  There is nothing to justify Wilson above the 5th round at best and scouting reports all are blase about him.

    I hope he becomes the next Ed Reed or Rodney, but I don't see anything that gives me the "warm and fuzzies" about him, that glimmer of hope that confirms the place where he was picked.  Based on reports (and yes BB is not the only person who can scout NFL talent), I think Malcolm Williams has just as much potential as Wilson, if not more.  It appears he'll battle Brown, Williams and Ventrone for the last safety, ST gunner spot.  I think most expect more from the 48th pick.

    And one final thought, everyone is ripping the Jets about Hill (boom or bust) but defending BB for this pick.  While Hill might be boom or bust, he's probably 80% chance to boom and 20% chance to bust.  Wilson's chance to boom is ?????????
     
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