In Response to Re: Taylor Price
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Taylor Price : So I'm the troll since I point out what should be obvious? Let me guess, you were one of those who made the posts "It's too early to cut XYZ (insert Brandon Tate, Shawn Crable, Darius Butler, Terrence Wheatley, etc etc). Give him some time. He's got potential. It's only been 2/3 years" right before the day they actually got cut. I'm sorry if you lack the ability to be critical. Maybe when Taylor doesn't manage to get on the field this year, and BB releases Chad in the offseason (renews Welker and Branch) and brings in 1 new receiver in the offseason as well as drafts another, you'll still be telling me next year in August right after the 4th preseason game "Give Taylor some time" right before BB releases him.
Posted by murghkhor[/QUOTE]
Ya can't just group each and every single NE player who hasn't seen significant playing time, in- What's your "under"? 2 st#pid years, and you're even completely including THIS one?!?
/>Just don't get it, Considering first- Under this premise Dan Connolly, Sergio Brown, Julian Edelman, Dane Fletcher, Benjarvis Green-Ellis, Brian Hoyer, James Ihedigbo, Rob Ninkovich, Brian Waters, Wes Welker, and finally-Danny Woodhead... These guys? They should Each and All, either be cut immediately, OR they should have been cut long, long ago, Right? And these are just guys I'm randomly pulling down from The New England Patriots 2011 Roster as of today... But that's the deal: First 2 years in The NFL where you're underproducing and have barely seen the field...and then you're gone.
Whoever made mention RE: What we've seen thus far from Taylor Price's skill-set...and yes, The VERY LITTLE we've seen thus far from Taylor Price's skill-set...Regardless, It IS good. The same by and large Can-NOT be said of your other mentionables: Crable, Tate, Jackson, and Butler.
So you'll counter: "Wrong...because a certain number of these guys DID show flashes of being decent players." And yes...they did. Jackson if I recall correctly, had a 130 yard game. Crable at times just looked on fire in a series of consecutive Preseason games (over a couple years as well). Tate went from looking like he shouldn't have even been on ANY receiving corp within any NFL Team's 53 man roster, TO showing at least some NFL wideout receiving promise, and excellent return man skills. Finally, Butler was thrown right into the mix as a 1st year rookie, initially showing within a rebuilding NE Defense and with ZERO pass-pressure (at all), that it still appeared that he could at least hold his own.
But there's a difference... It's this:
~Just as each one of ALL of these players showed at least some on-field potential...They ALSO, showed an f- lot more of the time, These qualities which led them to being cut...
/>Even Tate's top-tier kick-returning, and his (ehh) somewhat improvement in receiving, STILL couldn't hide the fact that Tate was simply AWFUL in gaining seperation when coming out of his breaks, and his hands were STILL made of stone.
/>Jackson, DID have that 1 big game, showing unreal potential...BUT, Jackson showed within every other game, on-field, off-field, any where and every where, THAT he was not motivated to even TRY to learn NE's complicated receiver designs (how it'll develop, excatly what a receiver should and HAS to do in order to change his route depending on how the defender's play is developing per down)...NEVER. Heck, towards the end, Chad Jackson wasn't even motivated enough to show up for some team meetings.
/>Same for Darius Butler... He was never that physical. But afterwards- AFTER he was torched in some very pretty unfortunate specific plays as a Rookie (thinking specifically of 2 total bs^ "Peyton Interference Calls...yes, 1 against, who else? Indy)- AFTER this, man- ANY promise that he did show, appeared to be ripped out of him. CBs, probably second only to an NFL QB, is an absolute position wherein you need a big enough ego on you belonging in the league, and also a very short-term memory. So suddenly, the positive qualities that Butler did have (ball-in-the-air coverage, staying with the wideout throughout) Happened to get crushed by Butler's now enhanced, negative qualities (strength to jam, muscling out a receiver, etc)- Because Darius Butler began playing not to win and beat his man (NO aggression), but Butler was subsequently and evermore playing just not to get beat, or not to scr#w up and give up a huge play.
/>And so now, look at Crable... And I'll admit this day and every day, THAT Shawn Crable WAS a guy I was excited NE selected from Day #1. <And with Jackson AND far moreso-Tate and Butler, I 100% can-NOT say the same of>
Why Crable??? A: Because he was a GOOD Selection!! He was. His total numbers of TFLs, and ability to penetrate the Offensive backfield while at U of Michigan, was EXCELLENT. EVERY-thing was there. GREAT speed, Fantastic locker room leader and just CRAZY motivated, SIZE...Good grief! Crable was a 2nd- early 3rd rd prospect...and NE acquired him right at the bottom of Rd #3. And so what was the 1 single knock which every scout said? His lower body mass... And that's it. And guess what? Under this rationale, Tom Brady would have never been selected at all. And then Crable gets hurt. Rookie year, in his underdeveloped legs. So Crable stays at Gillette to train the entire year, studies film after film of NE's D, and Willie Mac's play specifically. Next year? Hurt again. But this time he stays for only part of the offseason (still training elsewhere, and STILL making every Offseason Gillete meet-up). Next year... Hurt again. But ya see, There was 1 difference this time. It was: When Crable DID see the field in his final year, for the first time, it became obvious that Crable was not in any way, the fiery all-out defender, he was at Michigan and even during those NE preseason games the first couple of years. Little effort, almost zero variation in his pass-rush repertoire, and you could see he actually decided not to bother to learn any more of BB's ever-changing 3-4 Defense, in terms of yearly specifics and certain twists in scheme.
~And so therein lies the difference that you're missing:
In ALL of your examples final days as a NE Patriot, they showed significant amount more of getting worse, rather than improving in skill. I cannot say the same for Taylor Price. Price's hands are decent, I've heard zero negative accounts on Price's work-ethic, and Price's route-trees which I've seen, ARE just exceptional (NFL exceptional). Just the times when watching Price come deadly stop-on-a-dime tight, and pinpoint exact out of his breaks, seeing that Price appears to have those finer nuances- like knowing that exact moment you can grab that initial seperation by turning and twisting a defender when first going IN-to his breaks... And good grief! From Day 1, BB and NE (and every scout on earth) talked about how absurdly simplistic The University of Ohio's Offensive System was (even within a Collegiate football framework).
~And thus, Price IS injured... But BIG DEAL!?! Pats have 1 loss. They're 5 and 1. NE's had a better running game than they've had for 7 years +. NE has two just EXCEPTIONAL TEs, which they enjoy using on field at the same time. And the versatility these 2 TE sets grants NE, means there's MUCH less 3 receiver sets. The Receivers? Wes, with Edelman backing him. And Branch with, or without Ocho. Honestly, My point is this: WhyInTF` would you even consider rushing Price back into the mix. Even with and IF his skill-set is or can be, Top-Notch...WHY would you do this with your team deploying so much more 2 TE sets, and when ya suddenly have a slew RBs, and an actual running game, and when your team's currently 5 and 1... Why? Don'tcha think the risks outweigh the rewards currently?