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    TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 4:47 AM EST

    TBC this year has shown us nothing at all might have been injured ,
    i think the problem is salary cup  over 4 milion
    thats a lot for TBC he aint worth it .

    even with salary cup , i think he might be cut after the draft.

    thanks to patscap.com 
      SalaryProrated
    Signing Bonus
    Amortization    		Roster Bonus/
    LTBE/
    Reporting Bonus    		Workout BonusTotal Cap FigureRemaining Signing Bonus (includes 2010)2010 Cap Hit if Cut2010 Cap Savings if Cut or Traded2011 Cap Hit if Cut or Traded
     
    		$800,000$2,000,000 $207,280$3,007,280$6,000,000$800,000$405,000$4,000,000
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 11:04 AM EST

    In Response to TBC might be next?:
    TBC this year has shown us nothing at all might have been injured , i think the problem is salary cup  over 4 milion thats a lot for TBC he aint worth it . even with salary cup , i think he might be cut after the draft. thanks to patscap.com      Salary Prorated Signing Bonus Amortization Roster Bonus/ LTBE/ Reporting Bonus Workout Bonus Total Cap Figure Remaining Signing Bonus (includes 2010) 2010 Cap Hit if Cut 2010 Cap Savings if Cut or Traded 2011 Cap Hit if Cut or Traded   $800,000 $2,000,000   $207,280 $3,007,280 $6,000,000 $800,000 $405,000 $4,000,000
    Posted by yakv

    I have to agree with you. I'd cut this bum 8 DAYS a week.  He's worthless.  I'd rather have NINK and Moore and CUnningham.
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 11:31 AM EST

    I think they will draft 1 OLB and bring in 1 vet. Add that to Moore, TBC, Cunningham, and Nin and you'll have 6 players for 4 OLB spots (though they could run 5). I think the drafted OLB will be a higher pick this year so Cunningham and the draft pick will be 2 spots leaving a battle of the added vat, Moore, TBC, and Nin to grab the other 2 spots. Moore and Nin are both cheaper then TBC and Moore can also line up as a DE in a pinch. IMO TBC is on the outside looking in and at camp it will be a battle between Moore, Nin, and the vet for the last 2 spots. 
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 11:44 AM EST

    Could be. Or, he takes a cut and stays in his complementary role. I think this should be looked at.  He'd have a tough time defending the deal based on his production.

    And, I certainly don't see him performing better elsewhere either. I am sure he knows this.

    Ideally, NE lands a quality OLB in the draft and he takes a lesser role as a sub-player.

    Cunningham and a rookie start, Ninkovich, TBC and Moore compete for back up duties.
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 11:45 AM EST

    I really like TBC, but the prowess he flashed in 09' was rarely seen in 10' - I think they had to sign him after that good year he had for insurance against not landing one in the draft, but the depth we have now does not warrant paying that kind of scratch.  Hopefully they cut him early, let him land on another team, and we can upgrade that position via the draft.

    I will say, I like the potential of this Moore kid if given a full offseason of learning the system.  He showed pass rush ability and had a long wingspan.  Good  tools to work with.
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 12:08 PM EST

    I tough Nink had a better year than TBC ,
    he made game Changing turnovers against miami .
    i think Ninkovich has more upside than TBC ,
    moore has showen he has the ability  to be a better player.

    TBC if he doesnt take the pay cut might be out , earns more money than sanders 
    with less production ..

    TBC had some good games in his days here , but it's time to move one
    younger blood .

    the one memory i think that stays with me from him 
    is the game against the jaguars in 2006 He didnt even touch MDJ 
    who run 74 Yd 


     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 1:11 PM EST

    can't stop the run + can't rush the passer = useless

    He's a rich man's Derrick Burgess: slightly faster, but still neither fast enough nor strong enough to beat the man across from him.  At least Burgess could anchor the edge.

    Cut him while there's still no cap implications
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 2:18 PM EST

    Cut him and re-sign him
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 3:06 PM EST

    may be? HE'S even more likely to go than gaddafi!
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 4:02 PM EST

    He didn't have much to begin with but he's got nothing now.

    Classic case of a guy who capitalizied on one career year.

    Please, don't give him one more paycheck. He's costing us almost a million dollars per 2010 sack.
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 4:13 PM EST

    In 09 he had 10 sacks (5 of em were against buffalo, which doesn't count I got blasted for saying that) this year he has 5 sacks.

    TBC is TBC, you guys hyped him up now u r tearing him down.
    I think he is a solid backup nothing more.

    The fact guys like TBC and Nink are our starters shows how good of a job TB and BB did.
     

     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 4:19 PM EST

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    In 09 he had 10 sacks (5 of em were against buffalo, which doesn't count I got blasted for saying that) this year he has 5 sacks. TBC is TBC, you guys hyped him up now u r tearing him down. I think he is a solid backup nothing more. The fact guys like TBC and Nink are our starters shows how good of a job TB and BB did.  
    Posted by akius


    It might not mean much but I was with you. I saw him as a player if put into a specialist rushing role (not a full time starter) you might get 5-10 sacks a season and if our DL wasn't the walking wounded all year I think he would have ended up with a couple more then he did but he is in no way a starter and was over paid. The main reason for this I believe was because they had no choice. It was a good move then given the choices but now with the addition of Cunningham, Nin improving, and Moore showing promise if they draft a high talent kid TBC's cap numbers are going to drive him out of town.
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 4:29 PM EST

    Saying he only got 5 sacks that were legit is like saying Jared Allen only had 5-7 legit sacks because he had 5 others against a porous GB O Line in two games in 2009.

    That only goes so far. It's more about the pressures than it is the sacks to some degree. Look at the Jets. They don't get a lot sacks, but the scheming does create pressures.

    Reality is, TBC faced better LTs this year than he did in 2009.   Doesn't mean he can't help the team.   He does appear to now be overpaid, however.

     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 9:34 PM EST

    He will restructure if the CBA reverts back to the 2006 to 2009 version BUT he may not have to if the NFLPA increases there share and the salary cap goes up.

    Either way I would cut him loose he'll come back
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/22/2011 11:02 PM EST

    Russ, when did you get off of the Ninkovich train? You're now parroting the consensus line 'He's okay but he's limited'. He was their best OLB this year, is steady against the run, makes some huge sacks despite not being a regular on their 3rd down D, and had a huge game against Miami with 2 ints. Did he look 'limited athletically' when he made those WR like ints? I just don't see why people are down on this guy.

    I'm going to come out and say Nin will be a starter next year no matter who they bring in. I think most of you are fixating on getting a big name and forgetting that Nin played next to guys like Deadrick and Brace, who can't rush the passer. And you're projecting a rookie to start next year? OLB is a very hard position to fill for a rookie, and there is no way anyone knows if there's even a fit for NE at OLB. I'm sure 85% of the people here clamored for Kindle last year. the best thing that guy did was fall down the stairs. Put a real 3 down DE next to him and Nin will start to look like Vrabel in his prime. Tell me I'm wrong but I think he'll continue to do a great job next year.

    In Response to Re: TBC might be next?:
    Could be. Or, he takes a cut and stays in his complementary role. I think this should be looked at.  He'd have a tough time defending the deal based on his production. And, I certainly don't see him performing better elsewhere either. I am sure he knows this. Ideally, NE lands a quality OLB in the draft and he takes a lesser role as a sub-player. Cunningham and a rookie start, Ninkovich, TBC and Moore compete for back up duties.
    Posted by BBReigns

     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/23/2011 12:44 AM EST

    He's getting in that area where he's getting priced  out for essentially a 3rd down pass rusher. 

    Unfortunately, he's the best pass rusher we got but I don't think the rush will be any worse without him. 

    He could get cut and resigned though or at least held until training camp to see if the draft picks show promise. 
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/23/2011 6:09 AM EST

    TBC may stay simply because he knows the system and the position well and we lack proven depth at that OLB position.  Even if we do bring in a rookie or free agent, we may keep TBC around as insurance. At this point, we just don't have a lot of guys who can play the OLB position. 
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/23/2011 10:15 AM EST

    In Response to Re: TBC might be next?:
    Russ, when did you get off of the Ninkovich train? You're now parroting the consensus line 'He's okay but he's limited'. He was their best OLB this year, is steady against the run, makes some huge sacks despite not being a regular on their 3rd down D, and had a huge game against Miami with 2 ints. Did he look 'limited athletically' when he made those WR like ints? I just don't see why people are down on this guy. I'm going to come out and say Nin will be a starter next year no matter who they bring in. I think most of you are fixating on getting a big name and forgetting that Nin played next to guys like Deadrick and Brace, who can't rush the passer. And you're projecting a rookie to start next year? OLB is a very hard position to fill for a rookie, and there is no way anyone knows if there's even a fit for NE at OLB. I'm sure 85% of the people here clamored for Kindle last year. the best thing that guy did was fall down the stairs. Put a real 3 down DE next to him and Nin will start to look like Vrabel in his prime. Tell me I'm wrong but I think he'll continue to do a great job next year. In Response to Re: TBC might be next? :
    Posted by Rockdog1293000


    I still like what Ninkovich does, but objectively speaking, he probably isn't a 3 down OLB here for a SB team.

    He's a solid player, but he's more of a back up/spot starter/sub package player at his best.

    Unless, he somehow he explodes next year, which I doubt, this is how I see it. I don't think he has another level.  Not a knock, just what he will likely peak out to be.

    At the very least, they need to improve the dynamics from the position (speed, athletic ability and power) in camp which will likely come through the draft.

    It can be done. There are many intriguing options early in the draft and they'll need probably their best talent to come from out of it to add to this mix of Cunninngham, TBC, Nink, etc.


     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/23/2011 12:06 PM EST

    In Response to Re: TBC might be next?:
    In Response to Re: TBC might be next? : I still like what Ninkovich does, but objectively speaking, he probably isn't a 3 down OLB here for a SB team. He's a solid player, but he's more of a back up/spot starter/sub package player at his best. Unless, he somehow he explodes next year, which I doubt, this is how I see it. I don't think he has another level.  Not a knock, just what he will likely peak out to be. At the very least, they need to improve the dynamics from the position (speed, athletic ability and power) in camp which will likely come through the draft. It can be done. There are many intriguing options early in the draft and they'll need probably their best talent to come from out of it to add to this mix of Cunninngham, TBC, Nink, etc.
    Posted by BBReigns


    I think Nink is more balanced than TBC.  TBC is only good as a sub rusher against the right matchup, and he can't stop the run

    I think you can hide Nink if you have better guys around him, but TBC has to come off the field on running downs.
     

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    Re: TBC might be next?

    posted at 2/23/2011 5:13 PM EST

    I really think Nink will surprise people next year and become a very good player. If you put Seymour or Ty Warren pre contract I think both OLB positions would look a lot better, which is why I think DE is a bigger need.

    In Response to Re: TBC might be next?:
    In Response to Re: TBC might be next? : I still like what Ninkovich does, but objectively speaking, he probably isn't a 3 down OLB here for a SB team. He's a solid player, but he's more of a back up/spot starter/sub package player at his best. Unless, he somehow he explodes next year, which I doubt, this is how I see it. I don't think he has another level.  Not a knock, just what he will likely peak out to be. At the very least, they need to improve the dynamics from the position (speed, athletic ability and power) in camp which will likely come through the draft. It can be done. There are many intriguing options early in the draft and they'll need probably their best talent to come from out of it to add to this mix of Cunninngham, TBC, Nink, etc.
    Posted by BBReigns