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TE a Position of Strength for 2013 Pats?

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    Pats are in deep trouble. You can't lose every single offensive weapon, less a hurt Gronk, and expect good things to happen. The rooks better. Get up tp speed quickly.

    does anyone think a player acquisition on offense is needed at one of the skill positions?

     



    RESPONSE: BB certainly has his work cut out for him, this year. Still...I refer you to 2006...when the Pats' offense looked even worse than the 2013 edition. Yet, Brady and BB, but for the league's officials handing the AFC title game to Peyton's Colts, nearly got to the SB. But, Brady was 29 and in his prime back then.  

     

         That said...who might the Patriots add to improve the offense? FB Vonta Leach, and WR Brandon Lloyd, WR Greg Camarillo, WR Braylon Edwards, TE Dallas Clark?

         Here's a list of available free agents: http://thesidelineview.com/columns/caplans-nfl-corner/best-available-nfl-free-agents-offense

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Re: TE a Position of Strength for 2013 Pats?

    im sure they will have extra money to play with, the question is what position

     
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         Dallas Clark an option?: http://beforeitsnews.com/sports/2013/06/could-dallas-clark-be-an-option-for-new-england-2515628.html

     
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    Maybe we need some perspective on the loss of AH. Last year Hernandez caught 51 passes for 483 yards and 5 TDs. Nice for a second option TE, but hardly irreplaceable. I understand he is a unique type of player, very hard to match up against, etc., but based on production these numbers don't suggest that he is irreplaceable. It needs to be pointed out though, that this was in 10 games.

    Dallas Clark caught 47 passes for 435 yards and 4 TDs in 14 games with Tampa, by the way.  Not too far off. Not sure about his health, but it would seem that he might help if they decide to look outside.

    Just for fun, Jake Ballard grabbed 38 for 604 and 4 TDs in 14 games in his last year with the NYG. 

     

     
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    What about trading for someone? I hate to sound like its desperation time, but the pats have lost almost every receiving weapon from last year, plus, have a few rooks to groom. I don't see the pats offense scoring enough with Brady throwing to amendola, Edelman, Ballard, Jenkins, etc. that group just ain't gonna get it done.

    looking around the league, there has got to be a TE, WR that is in their last year of a contract that teams may be willing to part with for a draft pick and/or player? 

     

     
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    Clark an option?



    I'd say he certainly is. He most closely replicates the skill set Hernandez brought to the table. 

    I wouldn't count on him though, as concussions (at his age no less) are tricky to treat.



    RESPONSE: True...but he may be the best of the not so great options for the Pats.

     
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    Re: TE a Position of Strength for 2013 Pats?

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    Pats are in deep trouble. You can't lose every single offensive weapon, less a hurt Gronk, and expect good things to happen. The rooks better. Get up tp speed quickly.

    does anyone think a player acquisition on offense is needed at one of the skill positions?

     



    RESPONSE: BB certainly has his work cut out for him, this year. Still...I refer you to 2006...when the Pats' offense looked even worse than the 2013 edition. Yet, Brady and BB, but for the league's officials handing the AFC title game to Peyton's Colts, nearly got to the SB. But, Brady was 29 and in his prime back then.  

     

         That said...who might the Patriots add to improve the offense? FB Vonta Leach, and WR Brandon Lloyd, WR Greg Camarillo, WR Braylon Edwards, TE Dallas Clark?

         Here's a list of available free agents: http://thesidelineview.com/columns/caplans-nfl-corner/best-available-nfl-free-agents-offense

     

     They also had an elite defense still in 2006. It is apples and oranges.

    RESPONSE: An elite defense?? Really? With Tully Banta Cain starting at DE...and a bunch of slow, aging LBs? I like their current set of young LBs much better. If he stays healthy, I look for Chandler Jones to have a break-out year. The secondary is improved with Talib. The key will be whether they can get anything positive out of Ras-I Dowling, and their safeties.   

    NE's defense allowed just 237 points that season, so having an offense that only scored 385 points was a lot easier to get along with.

    RESPONSE: The game has changed quite a bit since 2006. It's more of a wide-open passing league now. 

    Sure NE won just as many games and made it just as far last season ... but with a defense that allowed 100 points more and an offense that scored 175 more points. 

    RESPONSE: Many the "D" can take up some of the slack? Hey...just trying to be optimistic for a change. LOL!!!




     
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    Run the ball folks....run the ball.....we have some true talent there...let's use em'

     
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         That said...who might the Patriots add to improve the offense? FB Vonta Leach, and WR Brandon Lloyd, WR Greg Camarillo, WR Braylon Edwards, TE Dallas Clark?

         Here's a list of available free agents: http://thesidelineview.com/columns/caplans-nfl-corner/best-available-nfl-free-agents-offense

     

     

     



    Well, that would be one mother of a reclamation project. 

     

    RESPONSE: True.

    When was the last time Braylon Edwards was relevant? Also he was always more of an athlete than a football player... more a puncher than a boxer. He's had bouts with drops, and seems like the kind of guy who wouldn't fit with what NE does.

    RESPONSE: True again.But, he had some good games against the Patriots. BB remembers these things.

    Lloyd would give a veteran who knows the system to Brady, but at what cost ... considering NE felt the need to ditch the solid but unspectacular player for reasons unknown?

    RESPONSE: The Pats could probably get him on the cheap...perhaps on a one year deal. He knows the offense, and, with Welker and AH gone, he'll have more opportunities to shine. 

    Greg Camarillo? Is being mentioned because he was a Dolphin? Has been? Never was.

    RESPONSE: Again...played well against the Pats, before getting hurt, in 2008: http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=280921017; and http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=281123015

    Clark is possible.

    RESPONSE: Suddenly, the Pats need depth at TE. AH is gone, and they'll likely be without Gronk early. So, such a signing seems to make sense.  

    None of the first three reall offset losing Hernandez, but really add to a complicated log jam at WR. Clark might add something though. 

    RESPONSE: Nothing will offset the loss of AH...who was a special player. But, something needs to be done. Tom Brady needs more weapons. 




     

     
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    Re: TE a Position of Strength for 2013 Pats?

    Maybe TexPat's thread deserves a bump.

     
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    Maybe TexPat's thread deserves a bump.



         Wish it didn't. It must be killing Tom Brady, who, at age 36, is being asked to work with such a motley crew of skill players. Meanwhile, he must watch as the 37 year old Peyton Manning gets to operate with first rate, state of the art weaponry in a legacy building season...in which it appears that Manning will shatter all of Tom's 2007 passing records. 

         Deep down, Tom must feel like a general who is being asked to conduct an air war with WW II era aircraft. 

     
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    At this point Hoom is the only real tight end on the team.  Second is James Develin, the fullback, who barely counts as an H-back type of tight end.  Gronk is apparently not playing -- he has no arm bone.  Maybe an Iron Man exoskeleton around his arm would help.  The appropriately named Mulligan is just somebody that BB took.  Ballard?  Still limping somewhere else.  Hernandez?  Joined the circus in Fall River.

    Suds may have been a risk because he had a bad shoulder and shoulder guys are always bad risks  BB took a minimal risk as Suds was a UFA.  Suds blossomed.  Suds made the team.  Just speculation, but maybe Suds got a re-torn labrum and couldn't do what he used to do anymore.  That fumble was the breaking point.  The Jets picked him up for intelligence on the Pats, if for nothing else.

     
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    Re: TE a Position of Strength for 2013 Pats?

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    At this point Hoom is the only real tight end on the team.  Second is James Develin, the fullback, who barely counts as an H-back type of tight end.  Gronk is apparently not playing -- he has no arm bone.  Maybe an Iron Man exoskeleton around his arm would help.  The appropriately named Mulligan is just somebody that BB took.  Ballard?  Still limping somewhere else.  Hernandez?  Joined the circus in Fall River.

    Suds may have been a risk because he had a bad shoulder and shoulder guys are always bad risks  BB took a minimal risk as Suds was a UFA.  Suds blossomed.  Suds made the team.  Just speculation, but maybe Suds got a re-torn labrum and couldn't do what he used to do anymore.  That fumble was the breaking point.  The Jets picked him up for intelligence on the Pats, if for nothing else.




    Oct 29 at 4PM is the trading deadline. Let's see who the Pats go after. I think Jared Cook would be a nice addition to the Pats. He plays for St. Louis. he would be factor on the Pats. I also like Escobar on the Cowboys. He may be another Julius Thomas if given the chace. But he plays behind Witten. I am sure there are some others available.

     
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    Re: TE a Position of Strength for 2013 Pats?

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    Wish it didn't. It must be killing Tom Brady, who, at age 36, is being asked to work with such a motley crew of skill players. Meanwhile, he must watch as the 37 year old Peyton Manning gets to operate with first rate, state of the art weaponry in a legacy building season...in which it appears that Manning will shatter all of Tom's 2007 passing records.

    Just realize that playoff football is a whole other animal, and this Patriot's defense would never give up 48 points to the Cowboys.  

    Yes, right now the Bronco's offense is substantially better than the Patriots, the reverse could said about the defenses, the difference is the Pat's offense can improve whereas the Bronco's defense is what it is... they stink.

    Defense win championships and the Patriot's offense will continue to improve, they don't hand out rings in October, nor to the #1 rated offense.

     

     
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