Tell me now!! Does Tebow make the 53 man Roster?

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    Re: Tell me now!! Does Tebow make the 53 man Roster?

    yes, he makes it.

    The interception came when the O-Line was still getting acclimated.  The two TD's came when we had to have them.

    Neither Mallet nor Tebow appear to be head and shoulders above the other.  Mallet can come in and run Brady's offense in a crises.

    Tebow gives another dimension to the offense and can be used in other ways.

    Belichick loves throwing curveballs

     

     


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    STILL - I see that if we keep him this year the Jets have to pay more than we do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So if BB wants to stick it to the Jets, which is beneficial because they are division rivals, then there is some additional value.

     

    I don't believe that what we do with Tebow has any effect at all on the Jets' cap hit for Tebow.   Also not sure I agree that BB makes roster decisions based on how they might affect his opponents.  

     

    And STILL - the fact that I remain surprised he was picked up here and surprised that he is still here... in spite of his latest HORRIBLE showing (he had 3 good 5 yard tosses - hard to call them passes... and his only two major positive throws were made by a bad tackle and horrible position by the DB on a BAD throw for a TD..... without those two plays he was comepltely horrible. And neither of those throws was especially good... and those picks and SACKS.... how many sacks does a guy have to take before you all get it??????????).. and still I do not really get why he is still here. So I do not assume I am right about whether he remains. Only that I am right that he is one truly horrible QB.



    I think the possible answers are:

    • BB doesn't fully trust Mallet to come in and protect a lead should Brady go down during a game (or if BB now wants to give an aging Brady rest when leads are big).  I think he may think Tebow could be better at that.  Tebow can't throw, but he can manage the game and hold the lead by more effectively turning the offense into a running offense. 
    • BB may want to consider using Tebow as a specialist running QB in certain situations.
    • Tebow is good for revenues . . . 

     

     
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    Yep, he threw 2 TD passes last night but against what level of competition. 

     



    And what level of help did he have against that?

     
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    Tebow makes the squad because of politics, not talent. Shame really, 37 other guys bust their bums trying to make this team and Tebow gets in because he is popular. 

     

    And some people are happy/cheering for him.

     
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    Whether in the next couple of days or next year, one day the one and olny factor will be that TT sucks. Nice guy. But he is not even as good as Mark Sanchez. He is just a horrible QB.

     



    Well then, Luck must suck too. And TT just outplayed Mallet after getting the whole camp under his belt.

     
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    Perhaps BB has something in mind for him but if the descision is based on what I've seen in the preseason, NFW.



    The decision might well be based on how much he improved as he learned the system and became acclimated. If that is the measure, it looks like BB was correct when he said TT was improving.

     
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    OOO everyone likes him. Yes, that IS impressive. THat is the way to make a football team. 



    Or maybe outplaying the incumbent backup in the final pre-season game despite that guy having years in the system and TT just finishing his first camp could get him a spot.

    Actually winning that game at crunch time and having beaten the Steelers in Pittsburgh during the playoffs in the past might be something BB doesn't scoff at either.

     
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    Clock Killin' Tim Tebow??


     



    I have proposed this as an ideal way to use TT. Send him out late when you are trying to kill clock with a lead. You're going to be running anyway. It adds something the D has to be on guard for that they do not need to worry about with Brady. And they still have to respect the pass, because TT can pass even if he is not great at it.

    This also spares Brady any chance of getting banged-up late in these big lead games. We all saw the "accident" that had us holding our breath in camp this year.

    Also, I would keep TT and never run another sneak with Brady again.

     
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    Tebow makes the squad because of politics, not talent. Shame really, 37 other guys bust their bums trying to make this team and Tebow gets in because he is popular. 

     

    And some people are happy/cheering for him.




    Politics?

    Did politics cause him to outplay Mallet in the final pre-season game despite TT just finishing his first camp and Mallet having years in the system?

     
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    In response to portfolio1's comment:

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    STILL - I see that if we keep him this year the Jets have to pay more than we do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So if BB wants to stick it to the Jets, which is beneficial because they are division rivals, then there is some additional value.

     

    I don't believe that what we do with Tebow has any effect at all on the Jets' cap hit for Tebow.   Also not sure I agree that BB makes roster decisions based on how they might affect his opponents.  

     

    And STILL - the fact that I remain surprised he was picked up here and surprised that he is still here... in spite of his latest HORRIBLE showing (he had 3 good 5 yard tosses - hard to call them passes... and his only two major positive throws were made by a bad tackle and horrible position by the DB on a BAD throw for a TD..... without those two plays he was comepltely horrible. And neither of those throws was especially good... and those picks and SACKS.... how many sacks does a guy have to take before you all get it??????????).. and still I do not really get why he is still here. So I do not assume I am right about whether he remains. Only that I am right that he is one truly horrible QB.

     



    I think the possible answers are:

     

    • BB doesn't fully trust Mallet to come in and protect a lead should Brady go down during a game (or if BB now wants to give an aging Brady rest when leads are big).  I think he may think Tebow could be better at that.  Tebow can't throw, but he can manage the game and hold the lead by more effectively turning the offense into a running offense. 
    • BB may want to consider using Tebow as a specialist running QB in certain situations.
    • Tebow is good for revenues . . . 

     

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    I can see the first two points but the 3rd one is easily debunked. Jersey sales and general authentic NFL items are league shared. So any extra jerseys Tebow sells the Pats would get the same revenue if Tebow was in Sea. The main non-shared income from teams comes from ticket and concession sales. The Pats have no issue selling out games so they should not see any increased revenue from Tebow in that aspect. The only extra income the Krafts might see from Tebow is extra sales at Patriot Place since the Krafts get a certain % from most of the retailers from owning the property. But, the little extra revenue doesn't cover the cost of his salary alone 

     
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    Tebow makes the squad because of politics, not talent. Shame really, 37 other guys bust their bums trying to make this team and Tebow gets in because he is popular. 

     

    And some people are happy/cheering for him.

     




    Politics?

     

    Did politics cause him to outplay Mallet in the final pre-season game despite TT just finishing his first camp and Mallet having years in the system?

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    Babe Tebow didn't outplay Mallett. Using the eye test Mallett was the better QB of the two with better passes, better reads of the D, and better understanding of QB progressions. It was clearly Tebow's best preseason game and it was much closer to Mallett than previous performances but in the end Mallett had the better QB performance.

     
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    Tebow makes the squad because of politics, not talent. Shame really, 37 other guys bust their bums trying to make this team and Tebow gets in because he is popular. 

     

    And some people are happy/cheering for him.

     




    Politics?

     

    Did politics cause him to outplay Mallet in the final pre-season game despite TT just finishing his first camp and Mallet having years in the system?

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    You're not allowed to critic the defense for the rest of the year. The guy Tebow stole a spot from could have been a game changer on defense.

     
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    Tebow makes the squad because of politics, not talent. Shame really, 37 other guys bust their bums trying to make this team and Tebow gets in because he is popular. 

     

    And some people are happy/cheering for him.

     

     




    Politics?

     

     

    Did politics cause him to outplay Mallet in the final pre-season game despite TT just finishing his first camp and Mallet having years in the system?

     

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    Using the eye test Mallett was the better QB of the two

     

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    LMAO. No offense PE, but you DO know how much value I place on the "eye test" around here don't you?

    The eye test around here has the same value as pocket lint.

     

     
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    LMAO. No offense PE, but you DO know how much value I place on the "eye test" around here don't you?

    The eye test around here has the same value as pocket lint.

     



    So does winning the Heisman but you keep tossing that around

     
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    STILL - I see that if we keep him this year the Jets have to pay more than we do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So if BB wants to stick it to the Jets, which is beneficial because they are division rivals, then there is some additional value.

     

    I don't believe that what we do with Tebow has any effect at all on the Jets' cap hit for Tebow.   Also not sure I agree that BB makes roster decisions based on how they might affect his opponents.  

     

    And STILL - the fact that I remain surprised he was picked up here and surprised that he is still here... in spite of his latest HORRIBLE showing (he had 3 good 5 yard tosses - hard to call them passes... and his only two major positive throws were made by a bad tackle and horrible position by the DB on a BAD throw for a TD..... without those two plays he was comepltely horrible. And neither of those throws was especially good... and those picks and SACKS.... how many sacks does a guy have to take before you all get it??????????).. and still I do not really get why he is still here. So I do not assume I am right about whether he remains. Only that I am right that he is one truly horrible QB.

     

     



    I think the possible answers are:

     

     

    • BB doesn't fully trust Mallet to come in and protect a lead should Brady go down during a game (or if BB now wants to give an aging Brady rest when leads are big).  I think he may think Tebow could be better at that.  Tebow can't throw, but he can manage the game and hold the lead by more effectively turning the offense into a running offense. 
    • BB may want to consider using Tebow as a specialist running QB in certain situations.
    • Tebow is good for revenues . . . 

     

     

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    I can see the first two points but the 3rd one is easily debunked. Jersey sales and general authentic NFL items are league shared. So any extra jerseys Tebow sells the Pats would get the same revenue if Tebow was in Sea. The main non-shared income from teams comes from ticket and concession sales. The Pats have no issue selling out games so they should not see any increased revenue from Tebow in that aspect. The only extra income the Krafts might see from Tebow is extra sales at Patriot Place since the Krafts get a certain % from most of the retailers from owning the property. But, the little extra revenue doesn't cover the cost of his salary alone 

     

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    Eng, I believe teams do get to keep the revenue they get from jersey sales made through their own pro shop (online or in the store).  So while revenues from jersey sales made outside the Patriots pro shop are shared, revenue from jerseys sold at the Gillette Pro Shop and on the Patriots website stay with the Pats.  

     
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    Eng, I believe teams do get to keep the revenue they get from jersey sales made through their own pro shop (online or in the store).  So while revenues from jersey sales made outside the Patriots pro shop are shared, revenue from jerseys sold at the Gillette Pro Shop and on the Patriots website stay with the Pats.  

     



    I'll have to look that up but I don't think that right. I know that any non-league authentic sales (like the cheaper Tee's) the get to keep the revenue but I thought anything baring the offical NFL logo was league shared regardless of sale location

     
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    "The bulk of the league's revenue - approximately $4 billion in 2011 - comes from broadcast deals with NBC, CBS, Fox, ESPN and DirecTV. That income is shared equally among all teams. Income from licensing deals - everything from jerseys to posters to team-logo beer coolers - is also shared evenly"

    http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-vs-nbapa/ss/Revenue-Sharing-And-North-Americas-Major-Pro-Sports-Leagues_2.htm

    I found a couple other places that say the same thing. Anything with a NFL logo regardless of sale location is evenly split between teams


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    Sorry TFB12, but, while locker room presence is an important thing, that aspect is not about being liked. It is about making the team a stronger team. Not a more enjoyable team. I strongly differ with you on this... and it is not about whether I or anyone else likes him. I differ because I do not see his value.

    STILL - I see that if we keep him this year the Jets have to pay more than we do !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    So if BB wants to stick it to the Jets, which is beneficial because they are division rivals, then there is some additional value.

    And STILL - the fact that I remain surprised he was picked up here and surprised that he is still here... in spite of his latest HORRIBLE showing (he had 3 good 5 yard tosses - hard to call them passes... and his only two major positive throws were made by a bad tackle and horrible position by the DB on a BAD throw for a TD..... without those two plays he was comepltely horrible. And neither of those throws was especially good... and those picks and SACKS.... how many sacks does a guy have to take before you all get it??????????).. and still I do not really get why he is still here. So I do not assume I am right about whether he remains. Only that I am right that he is one truly horrible QB.




    I see the Pats keeping Tebow more for what he brings to the team with being a high quality guy over sticking it to the Jets.

     

     
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    "The bulk of the league's revenue - approximately $4 billion in 2011 - comes from broadcast deals with NBC, CBS, Fox, ESPN and DirecTV. That income is shared equally among all teams. Income from licensing deals - everything from jerseys to posters to team-logo beer coolers - is also shared evenly"

    http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-vs-nbapa/ss/Revenue-Sharing-And-North-Americas-Major-Pro-Sports-Leagues_2.htm

    I found a couple other places that say the same thing. Anything with a NFL logo regardless of sale location is evenly split between teams


    I swear by lil 10 pound bearded baby Jesus



    Yeah, but then there's this.  I can't find a truly authoritative source and the NFL isn't exactly forthcoming about some of their rules for what's shared and what's not. 

    http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20090412/FREE/904109954/web-extra-revenue-sharing-not-covering-nfl-s-payroll

    NFL teams equally split revenue from NFLShop.com and all third-party retail sales, but keep everything from their own online and brick and mortar stores.

     
     
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    Tebow makes the squad because of politics, not talent. Shame really, 37 other guys bust their bums trying to make this team and Tebow gets in because he is popular. 

     

    And some people are happy/cheering for him.

     

     




    Politics?

     

     

    Did politics cause him to outplay Mallet in the final pre-season game despite TT just finishing his first camp and Mallet having years in the system?

     

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    You're not allowed to critic the defense for the rest of the year. The guy Tebow stole a spot from could have been a game changer on defense.

     

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    Yes, those 53rd guys are crucial to winning the SB. Well said.

     
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    LMAO. No offense PE, but you DO know how much value I place on the "eye test" around here don't you?

    The eye test around here has the same value as pocket lint.

     

     



    So does winning the Heisman but you keep tossing that around

     

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    You think being named the best player in college football has the same value as pocket lint?

     

     
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    You think being named the best player in college football has the same value as pocket lint?

     



    In the NFL yep. But if you want to prove me wrong give me a list of the QB's who won the Heisman in the last 30 years who did anything in the NFL. I'll get you started with Palmer (who is the best by the way). Ok get listing

     
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    In the preseason this year Mallett played in 18 drives (not counting end of half kneeldowns) that resulted in 40 points.  Tebow played in 19 drives (not counting end of half kneeldowns) that resulted in 21 points.  To say Tebow outplayed Mallett is laughable.

     

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