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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/5/2010 4:02 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable:
    I'm with Rusty on this one too.  The new TE's are going to bring a lot more options to our offense, and thus making us less predictable...  We were terrible in the second half last year on offense, causing our defense to get gassed for the greater part of the fourth quarter.  True fans that love the Pats can't help but be optimistic about draft picks...  Rusty never said that the new TE's are actually star players, he's simply comparing them to others with similar features/abilities/awards. Also bjesuss you are a miserable troll, your posts are garbage and I hate you.
    Posted by Payment84


    That's why god created the ignore button. I'd recommend it to anyone.It makes reading posts much more enjoyable.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/5/2010 4:14 PM EDT

    The offense's 4th quarter performance was the biggest problem last year; the D was more than adequate.  Even in the Raven's game it was the offense that repeatedly turned the ball over deep in our own territory and couldn't score the rest of the game.

    But Alge Crumpler and two rookies are not going to make our offense unstoppable.

     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/5/2010 4:26 PM EDT

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    The offense's 4th quarter performance was the biggest problem last year; the D was more than adequate.  Even in the Raven's game it was the offense that repeatedly turned the ball over deep in our own territory and couldn't score the rest of the game. But Alge Crumpler and two rookies are not going to make our offense unstoppable.
    Posted by themightypatriotz

    thank you for a much needed injection of realism in this discussion

    that said...if "gron" or herby hernandez make the game winning catch in the superbowl, ill eat some dolphin flavored crow...but until they actually make a pro bowl...lets just let their talent speak for themselves
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/5/2010 4:54 PM EDT

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    Think about what Crumpler, Gronkowski, and Hernandez will bring to this offense.  Remember how the edge of the line crumbled with Watson getting plowed over, everytime Maroney seemed to be creeping around the outside.  Won't it be nice to watch Crumpler seal that edge?  Remember how many times you wished we had an fullback or H-Back that weighed more than the guy with the ball?  Wouldn't it be nice to have someone bigger than Wes Welker to chip block Dwight Freeney?  Remember how Brady only threw to Watson if the safety was injured on the other team?  Think it might be fun to see how teams defend two stud rookie TE's with good hands?  Now....  do you remember Ben Coates?  Do you remember having the man that could not be covered in the red zone?  By the way...  that's Randy Moss in the other corner of the endzone. I think Bill is going a bit more old-school this year. The 2 TE offense is gonna make Maroney look like a Pro-Bowler.  I can't wait.
    Posted by jmmyslinski


    All good points.  I'll add that the effectiveness of the WRs will influence the TE effectiveness; verse visa (sic).  Ergo, if this groups can balance this relationship appropriately, most of what you poionted out may come to pass on the field (no pun).  If they all "do their jobs" the offense should be able to challenge any team.

     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/5/2010 4:56 PM EDT

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    Think about what Crumpler, Gronkowski, and Hernandez will bring to this offense.  Remember how the edge of the line crumbled with Watson getting plowed over, everytime Maroney seemed to be creeping around the outside.  Won't it be nice to watch Crumpler seal that edge?  Remember how many times you wished we had an fullback or H-Back that weighed more than the guy with the ball?  Wouldn't it be nice to have someone bigger than Wes Welker to chip block Dwight Freeney?  Remember how Brady only threw to Watson if the safety was injured on the other team?  Think it might be fun to see how teams defend two stud rookie TE's with good hands?  Now....  do you remember Ben Coates?  Do you remember having the man that could not be covered in the red zone?  By the way...  that's Randy Moss in the other corner of the endzone. I think Bill is going a bit more old-school this year. The 2 TE offense is gonna make Maroney look like a Pro-Bowler.  I can't wait.
    Posted by jmmyslinski


    As we all learned from SB 42, a great D will stop a great O.

    If you're still expecting great things from Maroney, be prepared for a let down. Any consistent rushing success this team can get relies on a healthy Morris and/or Taylor.

    Crumpler is in his twilight years, Gronkowski hasn't played in a game since 2008, and, like Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez will be making a huge adjustment to the NFL.

    The Pats defense will dictate how far they will go in 2010, not their offense.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/5/2010 9:21 PM EDT

    Check out this link...

    Who do they compare Hernandez with??  Wow Clark...  What were we arguing about again? Ohhh people were ragging on Rusty for making such bold predictions and comparisons.  Clearly he's not the only one.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/5/2010 9:55 PM EDT

    A defense would do well to double-team Moss, Welker, Edelman, Hernandez and maybe Gronk too, and four out of these five can be on the field at any one time.  Unfortunately this leaves three guys to handle the Patriots' offensive line, tackle Sammy the Bull, Fred or Maroney, and get after the quarterback too.

    A three tight end set of Gronk, Crumpler and Hernandez give the Patriots 7.5 linemen, and Tom Brady can still throw to any of them.  Gronk can catch where nobody else on the field can go, straight up at the back of the endzone.


     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 10:08 AM EDT

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    Check out this link... http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/front-office-total-access-stats.html&position=te Who do they compare Hernandez with??  Wow Clark...  What were we arguing about again? Ohhh people were ragging on Rusty for making such bold predictions and comparisons.  Clearly he's not the only one.
    Posted by Payment84


    Don't worry, I am laughing at these rubes who can't read correctly and have trouble seeing similarities with skill sets between players.

    Of course Hernandez is not Dallas Clark. That's an insult to Clark. But, you'd be foolish not to see similarties as a slot TE that creates major match up problems.

    The trolls that were bashing me for that comparison are either jealous and fearful of what these improvements with the Pats will mean in 2010 or they are Pats fans who are spoiled and irrational, thinking not winning the SB every year is complete and utter failure.

    I mean, how arrogant is the latter consdiering how hard it is to even put together back to back winning seasons by NFL teams??

    What NE and BB is doing here is absolutely incredible. No NFL team has their staff raided at this rate or loses players at this rate, but the more things change, the more BB and NE stay the course and the same.

    I love how they will be under the radar, bypassed by the media and be able to use this to their advantage.  They'll be nasty, angry and play with a chip on their shoulder.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 10:15 AM EDT

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    In Response to Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable : Don't worry, I am laughing at these rubes who can't read correctly and have trouble seeing similarities with skill sets between players. Of course Hernandez is not Dallas Clark. That's an insult to Clark. But, you'd be foolish not to see similarties as a slot TE that creates major match up problems. The trolls that were bashing me for that comparison are either jealous and fearful of what these improvements with the Pats will mean in 2010 or they are Pats fans who are spoiled and irrational, thinking not winning the SB every year is complete and utter failure. I mean, how arrogant is the latter consdiering how hard it is to even put together back to back winning seasons by NFL teams?? What NE and BB is doing here is absolutely incredible. No NFL team has their staff raided at this rate or loses players at this rate, but the more things change, the more BB and NE stay the course and the same. I love how they will be under the radar, bypassed by the media and be able to use this to their advantage.  They'll be nasty, angry and play with a chip on their shoulder.
    Posted by russgriswold


    Actually, isn't it "arrogant" to think they are still an elite team? Greatness is short lived - that time window is quickly closing - if it hasn't closed on Brady et al already. Can they get back to where they used to be or how they used to play? Maybe, maybe not - I don't know.  Would I like to see them play like they did in 2001, 2003, or 2004? Yes. Will they? I don't know. I'll still watchem play - win or lose....and will praise them and complain either which way....lol.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 10:18 AM EDT

    I just got done reading the article by Mike Reiss in todays espnboston.com where Brian Billick gave cudos to the Patriots for drafting both Gronkowski and Hernandez and he thinks that they will both be incorperated into the offense nicely this year,he also added that Gronkowski had he not had the back problem would have been a first round draft choice,by summing it up he said they first round value with a second round pick. He said that McCourty is a hard hitting CB.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 10:25 AM EDT

    Hawaii,

    Where did I say they were elite? Do you have a reading problem too? 

    3 years ago, I warned about the fact Bruschi was about done (I think he retired one year late to help them bring in a replacement to train) and for any Pats fan to be ready for all these Dynasty players to move on.   Guess what? I am not irrational and I knew there'd be bumps, especially on D.

    I knew that day would come, they'd have to find replacements and here it is.

    Meanwhile, they win 11 games with a back up QB and a division with replacing 5 Pro Bowl caliber/some borderline HOF players (Seymour, Harrison, Bruschi)???

    It's called being realistic.

    Like I said, if they had a TE last year or a 3rd WR you are looking at a 13-3 or 14-2 team.

    Not arrogance at all.  And they weren't good enough, but if you can't see what is going on here, I can't help you or anyone else.  Your vision has become blurred or you follow what the anti-Pats media feeds you.

    Finally, take a look at their 2009 draft, this one and then 2 1st rders and 2 2nd rders next year.

    Do you know how quickly a team can become really good in the NFL if you hit on drafts?  The 2007 NY GIants had a GREAT draft.

    Yup.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 11:18 AM EDT

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    Hawaii, Where did I say they were elite? Do you have a reading problem too?  3 years ago, I warned about the fact Bruschi was about done (I think he retired one year late to help them bring in a replacement to train) and for any Pats fan to be ready for all these Dynasty players to move on.   Guess what? I am not irrational and I knew there'd be bumps, especially on D. I knew that day would come, they'd have to find replacements and here it is. Meanwhile, they win 11 games with a back up QB and a division with replacing 5 Pro Bowl caliber/some borderline HOF players (Seymour, Harrison, Bruschi)??? It's called being realistic. Like I said, if they had a TE last year or a 3rd WR you are looking at a 13-3 or 14-2 team. Not arrogance at all.  And they weren't good enough, but if you can't see what is going on here, I can't help you or anyone else.  Your vision has become blurred or you follow what the anti-Pats media feeds you. Finally, take a look at their 2009 draft, this one and then 2 1st rders and 2 2nd rders next year. Do you know how quickly a team can become really good in the NFL if you hit on drafts?  The 2007 NY GIants had a GREAT draft. Yup.
    Posted by russgriswold

    seriously...i think you are paranoid about the pats...anti-pats media? really? you are joking right?

    the window is closing rapidly and while the experts said you had a good draft...lets let the kids play a couple of games before crowning them king eh?
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 11:27 AM EDT

    Ever hear of Spygate, kid? 

    Teams filmed NE because it has always been legal under NFL rule, but somehow the media not only left that part out. So, only NE was somehow filming games even though we know it is legal to do it.  Yeah, funny how that works. 

    The media left out contexts and details intentionally to get back at BB for not granting them interviews after repeated requests or having the "decency" to do their jobs by feeding them juicy quotes.

    Where have you been, Rip?  Under a tree snoozing?

    Spygate is the all time greatest witch hunt in sports history now and forever. I have never seen a coach, team or organization as villified in the press for 6 months, right through a Super Bowl, becuase a weak commisioner felt a need to cave into media pressure centered around a rule he didn't know how to read nor knew NOTHING about.

    A rules violation is not cheating.  Show me where a distinct advantage was gained by any team filming NE legally from a specified location or NE filming legally from a specififed location.

    Rules violation? Yes. I have no issue with that.  But, shaping it as something more sinister is a joke.

    The media is good at building something up, but when they lose ratings on it, especially in a fleldgling industry, they'll take another angle to make money of it.


     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 11:40 AM EDT

    Did somebody say Spygate?  Now there's a worthy offseason topic.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 11:42 AM EDT

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    Hawaii, Where did I say they were elite? Do you have a reading problem too?  3 years ago, I warned about the fact Bruschi was about done (I think he retired one year late to help them bring in a replacement to train) and for any Pats fan to be ready for all these Dynasty players to move on.   Guess what? I am not irrational and I knew there'd be bumps, especially on D. I knew that day would come, they'd have to find replacements and here it is. Meanwhile, they win 11 games with a back up QB and a division with replacing 5 Pro Bowl caliber/some borderline HOF players (Seymour, Harrison, Bruschi)??? It's called being realistic. Like I said, if they had a TE last year or a 3rd WR you are looking at a 13-3 or 14-2 team. Not arrogance at all.  And they weren't good enough, but if you can't see what is going on here, I can't help you or anyone else.  Your vision has become blurred or you follow what the anti-Pats media feeds you. Finally, take a look at their 2009 draft, this one and then 2 1st rders and 2 2nd rders next year. Do you know how quickly a team can become really good in the NFL if you hit on drafts?  The 2007 NY GIants had a GREAT draft. Yup.
    Posted by russgriswold


    LMAO. Boy r u paranoid or what? I wasn't callin' u out, dude. Yer not sayin n e thing new.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 11:42 AM EDT

    Rusty - maybe you and anybody else who saw Spygate as overdone might have too much invested in the Patriots to be able to see objectively.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 11:47 AM EDT

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    A rules violation is not cheating. Posted by russgriswold


    LMAO....I'm a Patriots fan. The Patriots were caught CHEATING. Last time I heard, breaking a rule is CHEATING. Does that mean other teams didn't do the same thing? Doesn't matter. The Patriots were reported, got caught with their hand in the bag, and got dealt with accordingly. Dude, it's not like Football is the only sport where players or teams cheat. But really, to hear you say it wasn't cheating....????


     

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    posted at 5/6/2010 11:49 AM EDT

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    Ever hear of Spygate, kid?  Teams filmed NE because it has always been legal under NFL rule, but somehow the media not only left that part out. So, only NE was somehow filming games even though we know it is legal to do it.  Yeah, funny how that works.  The media left out contexts and details intentionally to get back at BB for not granting them interviews after repeated requests or having the "decency" to do their jobs by feeding them juicy quotes. Where have you been, Rip?  Under a tree snoozing? Spygate is the all time greatest witch hunt in sports history now and forever. I have never seen a coach, team or organization as villified in the press for 6 months, right through a Super Bowl, becuase a weak commisioner felt a need to cave into media pressure centered around a rule he didn't know how to read nor knew NOTHING about. A rules violation is not cheating.  Show me where a distinct advantage was gained by any team filming NE legally from a specified location or NE filming legally from a specififed location. Rules violation? Yes. I have no issue with that.  But, shaping it as something more sinister is a joke. The media is good at building something up, but when they lose ratings on it, especially in a fleldgling industry, they'll take another angle to make money of it.
    Posted by russgriswold

    that was 3 years ago...how do you expect everyone else that follows the NFL to let it go if you cant?

    im sorry you think the media is the boogey man...are they bad at their jobs? absolutely...have they ever removed their mouths from the junk of the pats? hell no...after all...doesnt CBS have a huge deal with the pats? they are media arent they?

    espn is located in CT, which means it panders to NYC and boston fans in particular...if you cant see this...then i suggest you ignore me because you sir, are so drunk with pats love, that you cant see fault in any regard to your team and that makes you insufferable to debate with and i shall refuse to do so in the future
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 11:59 AM EDT

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    Did somebody say Spygate?  Now there's a worthy offseason topic.
    Posted by underdoggg


    Stop it.

    Just stop it.

    Bad dogg(g).


     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/6/2010 1:47 PM EDT

    Bjesuss 

    U really need to get some new material u sound like a broken record. Lets look at the fact the Pats won three Superbowls and they won them on the field. They did this through having superior players and coaching. The spygate stuff is all crap. Now lets look at the Jets no superbowls since Joe Willy. Come out of your mothers basement and maybe try getting a job.I bet guys beat you up in school and took your lunch money.
     

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    posted at 5/6/2010 5:04 PM EDT

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    Bjesuss  U really need to get some new material u sound like a broken record. Lets look at the fact the Pats won three Superbowls and they won them on the field. They did this through having superior players and coaching. The spygate stuff is all crap. Now lets look at the Jets no superbowls since Joe Willy. Come out of your mothers basement and maybe try getting a job.I bet guys beat you up in school and took your lunch money.
    Posted by bombdog
    They didn't have to beat him up he gave it to them voluntarily. He's a disgruntled Jests fan,if I were a Jests fan I'd be more than disgruntled. I think a couple of years ago I suggested they change their name to the Ineptitudes but they rejected that notion because the prefered Bums!
     

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    posted at 5/7/2010 8:30 AM EDT

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    In Response to Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable : LMAO....I'm a Patriots fan. The Patriots were caught CHEATING. Last time I heard, breaking a rule is CHEATING. Does that mean other teams didn't do the same thing? Doesn't matter. The Patriots were reported, got caught with their hand in the bag, and got dealt with accordingly. Dude, it's not like Football is the only sport where players or teams cheat. But really, to hear you say it wasn't cheating....????
    Posted by BubbaInHawaii



    If filming is legal, what exactly is the advantage gained? Even Goodell said there was no advantage gained.

    Over to you, counselor.
     

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    posted at 5/7/2010 8:40 AM EDT

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    In Response to Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable : You are officially insane. " The media left out contexts and details intentionally to get back at BB for not granting them interviews after repeated requests or having the "decency" to do their jobs by feeding them juicy quotes. " That is brillaint and absolutely correct.  At the last 'media' convention there were special sessions devoted on how to get even with BB for being such a prik to them.  Can you blame them? 'Uggghhh, we'll handle that in house'  'uuggghh, we don't discuss personel issues' Don't you realize the reason why it lasted so long is because BB would never fess up to cheating his way to three superbowls.  The country was duped.  The media printed stories for years about what a genius this guy was. As it turned out, he need to violate the rules in order to get there.  I know that you often cannot understand what I am saying, so I'll rephrase it.  He cheated, doochebag. Violating the rules is CHEATING.  He did the exact thing that he had been repeatedly warned about.  That's why he lost a pick.  If there was any sory of 'witch hunt' going on, he would have had to forfeit any game in which he cheated.  I know that you like to correct spelling mistakes, so I included some for you.  Good luck.
    Posted by bjesuss


    A rules violation does notuate to a scientific advantage nor is there intent shown to deceive in this case.

    A corked bat is cheating.  Steroids are cheating.  Those are distinct scientific advantages.

    Not being provided a location to your film the game by the home team or not asking for the spot is not cheating, especially when the act is legal and New England is being filmed as well.

    Good god. You get dumber by the moment.

    Bill Belichick is one of the best coaches, if not the greatest coaches of all time in any sport.  He's arguably the greatest defensive mind ever. He's taken down some of the greatest offenses in the history of the NFL as a head coach and defensive coordinator, in both eras (cap and pre cap).

    His exhibitions against HOF QBs are stuff of legend. Whether it's shutting down Joe Montana's 49ers multiple times on the way to a SB or Egghead Manning's finesse Colts teams, he is unmatched.

    He's been to SEVEN Super Bowls, by far and way the most, and has 5 Super Bowl rings, the most of any coach ever.

    Pretending the secret to winning is plopping a 24 year old intern onto a field and filming a game is hilarious and makes you looke like a goober who never played sports, which we know you didn't.

    Good luck in summer school this year.
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/7/2010 8:59 AM EDT

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    In Response to Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable : More mouthcrap from Rusty, "No NFL team has their staff raided at this rate or loses players at this rate"  I don't suppose you have one bit of information to back that up.  We'll go ahead and add it to the list of stupid things you want to be true but just are not.  Here's one for you.  In the history of morons like yourself posting to sports forums, nobody has used the word 'fear' more than you. Why are you so afraid? Every year you children want to beleive that the Pats are either underdogs, have bene disrespected, didn't get enough props from the press, or have some other stupid reason that will be an extra motivation to try to win a game.  What you are saying is that these NFL players, who mkae millions of dollars, regularly don't try real hard, don't practice long hours, don't watch film till late in the night until there is some mystical reason that suddenly motivated them to really want to win.  Let's just say that were true, what's wrong with BB that he can't get the best out of his players all the time?  Again, let's just say this were all true, as long as Tom Brady is QB, no one is overlooking the Patriots.  He is the reason for their success. 
    Posted by bjesuss


    Further - as for the player/coach raiding, true or not, when a player leaves and fails, it is hailed as just another example of the fact that BB gets the most out of his players through his coaching and system.  Doesn't the same go for the coaches who have left as well? 

    As of today, who on the coaching staff or front office (save Dimitroff) has had success elsewhere?  No one.  Thus, by the patriot fan philosophy, these coaches must also be no good.  It is Belichick. 

    Or - as Bjeuss has suggested - it is Tom Brady.  And, I'll add a little to that it was also core of defensive players that are no longer there. 
     

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    Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable

    posted at 5/7/2010 8:59 AM EDT

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    In Response to Re: TE's will make Pats versatile and unstoppable : Dog(gg) smells bone.
    Posted by underdoggg



    Sit, UD, Sit.....LOL!!!
     

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