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    The big picture...

    Did anyone else notice at the end of the Steeler's game, when we had a chance to win, all we had to do was hold them, the defense sent the house and we got 5 sacks basically at the end of the game.

    Has anyone else noticed, even though we obviously can run the ball on anyone, that we choose not to, instead we ration our runningbacks in my mind hopefully to keep them healthy for the playoffs?

    I hope and pray that BB is doing what I suspect he is and playing conservative with the playoffs in mind.  

    If we run the ball on offense, play more than 2 defensive tackles on defense and send more than 3-4 pass rushers on defense we can absolutely dominate anybody.

    The only thing that concerns me is that I've had the same notion the past few years and we always seem to do the same bone headed, pass 50 times type things in the playoffs, which leads to an early exit again and again...

    BB play the 3/4 and the 3/3/5 defense, run the ball 50% of the time and blitz like crazy and you can't lose.  

    If we don't face Green Bay in the Super Bowl this season than I've officially thrown in the towel that BB is beyond reproach, we're more talented right now than we we've ever been during BB's tenure.  If we lose in the playoffs this season it will because of coaching.  End of story.

     
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    Maybe the Patriots will pull a Jets and squeak into the playoffs and go to the division championship but then unlike the Jets the Pats move on to the SB!!
     
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    If we don't face Green Bay in the Super Bowl this season than I've officially thrown in the towel that BB is beyond reproach, we're more talented right now than we we've ever been during BB's tenure.  If we lose in the playoffs this season it will because of coaching.  End of story.
    Posted by wozzy


    I'm curious to get a breakdown on how you think this current team is more talented than the 2007 squad or even the squads that won the Super Bowls.  I don't really agree, but I'd like to hear a different opinion.
     
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    Sir, step away from the kool aid. I repeat, step away from the kool aid

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    Did anyone else notice at the end of the Steeler's game, when we had a chance to win, all we had to do was hold them, the defense sent the house and we got 5 sacks basically at the end of the game. Has anyone else noticed, even though we obviously can run the ball on anyone, that we choose not to, instead we ration our runningbacks in my mind hopefully to keep them healthy for the playoffs? I hope and pray that BB is doing what I suspect he is and playing conservative with the playoffs in mind.   If we run the ball on offense, play more than 2 defensive tackles on defense and send more than 3-4 pass rushers on defense we can absolutely dominate anybody. The only thing that concerns me is that I've had the same notion the past few years and we always seem to do the same bone headed, pass 50 times type things in the playoffs, which leads to an early exit again and again... BB play the 3/4 and the 3/3/5 defense, run the ball 50% of the time and blitz like crazy and you can't lose.   If we don't face Green Bay in the Super Bowl this season than I've officially thrown in the towel that BB is beyond reproach, we're more talented right now than we we've ever been during BB's tenure.  If we lose in the playoffs this season it will because of coaching.  End of story.
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    Did anyone else notice at the end of the Steeler's game, when we had a chance to win, all we had to do was hold them, the defense sent the house and we got 5 sacks basically at the end of the game. Has anyone else noticed, even though we obviously can run the ball on anyone, that we choose not to, instead we ration our runningbacks in my mind hopefully to keep them healthy for the playoffs? I hope and pray that BB is doing what I suspect he is and playing conservative with the playoffs in mind.   If we run the ball on offense, play more than 2 defensive tackles on defense and send more than 3-4 pass rushers on defense we can absolutely dominate anybody. The only thing that concerns me is that I've had the same notion the past few years and we always seem to do the same bone headed, pass 50 times type things in the playoffs, which leads to an early exit again and again... BB play the 3/4 and the 3/3/5 defense, run the ball 50% of the time and blitz like crazy and you can't lose.   If we don't face Green Bay in the Super Bowl this season than I've officially thrown in the towel that BB is beyond reproach, we're more talented right now than we we've ever been during BB's tenure.  If we lose in the playoffs this season it will because of coaching.  End of story.
    Posted by wozzy


    I too am of the belief that coaching is the real problem. It is not a difficult concept to appreciate really. Our coaches/GM's have been robbed from us for a decade. BB stands alone with a young staff and a lack of real knowledge besides Scar and Pepper.

    Look at what Romeo is getting done in KC tonight. Getting applauded by Jaws and Gruden, his 30th year btw. Perfect bend don't break defense to hold Rivers td-less 2 games in a row. It is tough to replace 30 years of coaching. Cheifs just won what 4 or 5 in a row after losing Eric Berry for the year?

    Fans here refuse to see that an offense with great statistics can be culpable for a loss. Honestly our offense has scored 17 and 20 the last 2 games, um that is not very good for this bunch people. We abandon the run game at the first sign of adversity. That is a rookie coaching staff mistake. We don't have the 07 offense anymore, and guess what...that offense came up short. We shouldn't be passing 40x a game. It is counter productive. Wake up.

    We have built an offense around Brady to use play action and the power run game. We drafted 2 early round RB's to compliment a rock in BJGE and 2 great 3rd down specialists with Faulk and Woody.  The year before we drafted the 2 best TE's in the draft. Why are we not using them all? Why are we playing into a defense's game plan over and over again?

    This defense has talented players, the cuts of Sanders,Bodden and even Merriweather don't make sense to me without viable replacements, but the core of the defense is a good mix between Vets and early round talent. Yes we have missed on players, but you don't end up a top 10 ppg allowed defense two years in a row by accident.

    In the end this defense can't be the reason we win or lose a championship. The offense is our saving grace. This team is built to score 30 points a game while owing T.O.P. The defensive teams in this league don't win SB's. We need to use all of our weapons on offense and stop being predictable. I just don't understand how some people don't see this?

    I fault the defense for not playing good enough, because we are not the most talented defense in the league, the offense however has no excuse, as they are built to dominate....they just don't.
     
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      they seem to come out a little flat when they have an extra week off these past two times.  
     
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    ...we're more talented right now than we we've ever been during BB's tenure.  If we lose in the playoffs this season it will because of coaching.  End of story.
    Posted by wozzy


    You are insane if you think this is the most talented we have been in the BB era. You could argue that the 2003 and 2004 defensive starters were better at every position than this years defense.

    I still think people are overrating the offensive players after Brady, Welker and the TEs.  Would you really rather have the combo of Ridley, Woodhead and BJGE over Dillon in his prime? The 3rd through 6th WRs (Ocho, Edelman, Slater and Price) are on pace for 30 receptions and 470 yards. That is less than Givens had when he was the No. 3 WR in 2003.
     
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    Our offensive and defensive line's have never been nearly as big and loaded with talent... start there.  

    2003 and 2004 we definitely had more seasoned, experienced talent but to say we have as little talent as we did in 2001 is ludicrous.  

    The idea that we're not talented enough is BS, look around, only Green Bay has as much talent as the Pats do.  Coaches make or break teams in the NFL, our young assistants get dragged off to other teams before they've had a chance to learn how to win, we'd be better off hiring older coordinators who know our system at a premium then grooming young guys who'll be gone in a year anyway.


     
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    Did anyone else notice at the end of the Steeler's game, when we had a chance to win, all we had to do was hold them, the defense sent the house and we got 5 sacks basically at the end of the game. Has anyone else noticed, even though we obviously can run the ball on anyone, that we choose not to, instead we ration our runningbacks in my mind hopefully to keep them healthy for the playoffs? I hope and pray that BB is doing what I suspect he is and playing conservative with the playoffs in mind.   If we run the ball on offense, play more than 2 defensive tackles on defense and send more than 3-4 pass rushers on defense we can absolutely dominate anybody. The only thing that concerns me is that I've had the same notion the past few years and we always seem to do the same bone headed, pass 50 times type things in the playoffs, which leads to an early exit again and again... BB play the 3/4 and the 3/3/5 defense, run the ball 50% of the time and blitz like crazy and you can't lose.   If we don't face Green Bay in the Super Bowl this season than I've officially thrown in the towel that BB is beyond reproach, we're more talented right now than we we've ever been during BB's tenure.  If we lose in the playoffs this season it will because of coaching.  End of story.
    Posted by wozzy

    The head coaching position will be open as soon as TB retires. You should apply. You obviously have no respect for BB. You'll see how quickly things go from bad to real bad once he and TB retire. You'll be a 4 or 5 win team year in and year out. What a fool....
     
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    Maybe the Patriots will pull a Jets and squeak into the playoffs and go to the division championship but then unlike the Jets the Pats move on to the SB!!
    Posted by TFB12

    i wouldn't bet on it.
     
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    In Response to The big picture... : I'm curious to get a breakdown on how you think this current team is more talented than the 2007 squad or even the squads that won the Super Bowls.  I don't really agree, but I'd like to hear a different opinion.
    Posted by pcmIV

    It's obvious this guy/gal has no fiotching clue.
     
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    In Response to The big picture... : An educated Pats fan!  A rarity this week!  Thanks for posting something with some sense.   You're always one of the more level headed, knowledgeable fans. Please don't leave.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing



    Right? Its nice to get through a 1000 posts by a 1000 dimwits about firing BB and trading Tom Brady to read something with some sense to it..
     
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    I don't think its a coincidence that the lowest scoring output we had this year came in a game where our power running back saw 5 carries.

    If we had scored 1td on any of our drives before the 3 minute mark in the 4rth qtr we win this game on the road against a pretty good SB winning QB.

    Defense got carved up for 350 yards passing but also held Pitt to 23 points, not so bad when you remove head from rectum and look at big picture. Which is points allowed.
     
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    in order to run and pass the ball you have to have possession of it............we never had the ball and will never win with TOP 45-15........THATS WHAT THE SCORE WILL BE .......EVERY TIME ........45-15
     
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    Put a pair of granny panties in front of Logie's locker before every game and tell him the DT and RDE had fun with his mother last night.
    Posted by RidingWithTheKing


    Or better yet . . .  put a photo of Troy Polamalu on his locker with the caption:

    "What's the snap count, moron?"

     
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    The bigger problem is a team throwing the ball 50 times on offense against our defense because they can't stop anyone that has a good QB. It laughable that teams even run on the Pats when you can throw more or less at will.
     
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    Remember Pats fans. If the Pats offense don't have Tom Brady they will look like the Colts as 0-7.  People talking about the Pats, they are always talking about the Offense since 2007.  Where is the defense?? Look at the Pats since 2007 until now you will see.  I hope coach BB doing more home work on this matters.  The Pats pass defense is last of NFL.  Therefore, if any team want to beat the Pats just keep passing and passing they will have an advantage.  They don't have a safety like Rodney Harrison, no corner back like Ty Law and etc..
    On the other hand, the Pats need to have a running game going no matter what they win in ugly way 6-3 or 10-7 final scores.  Without the running game, it is easy to defense any team.
     
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    I don't think it makes me a Pink Hat if I argue that the 2007 team that won it's first 18 games and rolled over most of the NFL in doing so was more talented than the current team Russ.

    Here is my opinion of the comparison.

    Offensive Line: I think you can make a legitimate case that the O-line has more raw talent this year so I'll grant you that.

    Defensive Line: I agree we have more depth on the DL than we did in 07, but any DL starting Seymour and Wilfork is not lacking for talent.

    Linebackers: Here I think the comparison is no contest.  The 07 team had Thomas, Bruschi, Vrabel, Colvin and Seau.  Compare that to Mayo, Ninkovich, Spikes and Guyton.

    Secondary: Again I think the 07 team has an edge here.  Samuel, Harrison, Sanders, Meriweather and Hobbs compare favorably to McCourty, Chung, Ideghibo, Arrington and Molden.

    RB: Here the current team has an edge as BJGE > Maroney and Ridley looks like a player.  A younger healthier Kevin Faulk in 07 closes the gap slightly, but not entirely

    TE: Gronk and Hernandez is a monster combo. Enough Said.

    WR: Here the 07 team hands down.  Moss, Welker, Stallworth and Gaffney blow Welker, Branch, Ocho and any of our other receivers out of the water.

    QB: Brady is Brady

    So I agree that at some positions the current team has more talent, but I think you can argue that the difference in talent on the units where 07 has the advantage is larger than the ones where the current team has an advantage.  No doubt we have some talent on this team, but it's a bit harder to make a case that this team is more talented than any team BB has ever had. 
     
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    GB is top 10 in QB rating against. Pats are near the bottom of the league in that category.  Why don't you look at those other teams. They are basically the worst teams in the league. Literally. Pats win because they have Brady to offset it until they play superior defenses were you won't drop 30 points on at will.
     
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    Our offensive and defensive line's have never been nearly as big and loaded with talent... start there.   2003 and 2004 we definitely had more seasoned, experienced talent but to say we have as little talent as we did in 2001 is ludicrous.   The idea that we're not talented enough is BS, look around, only Green Bay has as much talent as the Pats do.  Coaches make or break teams in the NFL, our young assistants get dragged off to other teams before they've had a chance to learn how to win, we'd be better off hiring older coordinators who know our system at a premium then grooming young guys who'll be gone in a year anyway.
    Posted by wozzy


    I have to take offense to any comparison to the defenses of the past. We used to shut out teams 12-0 and win games 9-3. Do you think this D could do that? We had ALL PRO's at many positions. Possibly the best DB in the game with Ty Law, best safety with Harrison, and best DL with Seymour, Mcginnest, Bruschi...the list goes on and on. I'll be chugging the kool aid until the end rooting for them every step of the way but I'm extremely concerned with what I see before me...
     
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