In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to RidingWithTheKingII's comment:
I think it was fine in 2005, 2006, 2007, etc, but you could see it flounder by 2009. BB then saw it and dealt Moss, tweaking the 2010 offense on the fly.
I would agree the strategy of it was too score more, duh, but if what you're saying is correct, how does that explain the 2007 defense or the 2005 or 2006 one?
You're contradicting yourself.
I think it's as simple as BB knowing, as do all coaches, that with the Chuck Rule enforcement in 2004, tied to Goodell in 2006, being asked to grow the league, it's about ratings, revenue, etc, which means more points scored so Sally Smith in her pink hat can enjoy watching the NFL.
My premise is that it's been maxed out and gone overboard.
I literally sit there and cringe watching this offense come out in that finesse shotgun spread to start games against the good Ds.
I can tell you right now on our schedule who will we lose to this year based on the quality of the defense our team will play. If we play a good or great one and pull this crap again, we will lose and it will come via a blown lead, where it is really rooted by our offense playing like crap over huge chunks of the game, to the point of flat out disappearing or fading away.
Also, I would say this to BB's face or Brady's face. It's so beyond ridiculous to be absolutely ignoring the evidence at this point.
you can disagree or agree with the philosophy and why it happened. but that is off topic. the topic is that the philosophy of running this offense shouldnt be put on Bradys doorstep, other than the fact that he can and has run it at HOF levels.
Make no mistake, running this offense, defense, the draft, my pet peeve free agency....all of it has BB's stamp of approval and finger prints all over it. You very well know if BB didnt want to run shot gun or hurry up, then the PAts/Josh/Brady would not be doing it.
BB fully realizes he is not winning 12-14 games with 13-10 or 17-14 scores and running the ball 40 times per game
Umm, I am not convinced he knows that specific 40+ barometer exists as deep as it does. Do I think he looks back at the losses and looks the box score and notices the imbalance? Yes.
But, I am not convinced he realizes how long the list is.
I'll give you an example:
@ NY Jets 2011.....Our offense was being run correctly, but they weren't doing well in terms of scoring in the first half. Ridley had a slew of carries, Brady was under Center, Ochco Cinco was looking good, etc.
Brady, however, wasn't as good as he could have been where NY dropped 3 INTs, one a pick 6 opp from Kyle WIlson.
My point is, the approach was right. What it did was open up the playbook in the second half. It's a huge reason why Brady went off and looked like a different QB. The fact they were focused on continuing to hand off to Ridley even with limited results, was huge.
Babe, the moron doesn't want you to know that in the 2004 AFC title game footage I posted that Dillon didn't look good in the first half on his runs. But, what did it do? It made Pitt's D accountbale for more than just defending the pass and 2 measly targets.
THere are more examples of it from 2007-2012 vs 2005-2007, but you can just see the evolution of it and the indirect abuse of it, especially in 2011 and at times last year.
I will fully admit that it was blatantly obvious they committed more to the run in 2012. Everyone noticed it, so it's clear they see it as some variaton of the problem. But, the shotgun itself is also a problem. Handing it off out of the shotgun to Woodhead, doesn't count in my book. That's a MAJOR problem, because it appears like it's only done for effect.
Anyone remember preseason 2010 when they ran amuck on ATL and NOs defensive front 7s? I do.
Then, the regular season hit, Brady was in the shotgun staring down Moss and Welker. Moss was then dealt after Brady's crappy start tot he year (@ the Jets was the worst).
Here's the deal:
Don't ever have a shotgun spread base gameplan against a good or great D. Ever. It fails every time or our D bails out Brady and the offense. I would only use it as a wrinkle, a 2 minute type of situation or if you are behind (see SF 49ers game thi year).
Then, when the D does not bail out the crappy offense, every moron pink helmet comes whipping on these boards to whine about the D and what BB has done as a defensive coach.
If you want to pin the fact Brady has full autonomy during games on BB, then fine, go right ahead. If I was a coach of a great, HOF QB, I'd probably do the same thing.
But, it hasn't worked as well as some here claim. The fact is, the more autonomy he's had under McDaniels or O'brien, the WORSE his play has been against good or great Ds.
Go watch the drive out of halftime in SB 39 that I posted. He gets to the line, runs the play and he's only in the shotgun on the obvious 3rd downs. That drive was scripted with Brady not having any autonomy. That's what I want MORE of.
Same deal in the 2006 video I posted above. 24 passes by halftime against a godo Bears D. Outrageous. Compare those examples to what you see since 2007 in particular in the postseason games in 2010, 2011 or 2012.
Good thing Laura "Twinkle Toes" Maroney on the left side of our O Line did what they did in the 2007 AFC Title game and that 4th qtr, huh?
That's how far back this goes. They're just reading Brady's eyes on basically TWO targets.
1. They know in the shotgun it's 90% pass.
2. They know it's going to pretty much only 2 targets whom he prefers.
This ups the odds to easily defend our offense in terms of preparation and scheme.
These are you answers here. Right here. These are the reasons why we lost SB 42 and SB 46 and a whole slew of games we shouldn't have lost or almost lost.
I am not looking for perfection or asking for the moon here as a fan. This isn't complex. But, to ignore a mountain of evidence like this, for whatever the reason, is ridiculous.
It's pretty sad that I knew we would lose this year's AFC title game once I saw how they were running the second drive. Ridley pulled off, Woodhead on and here comes the shotgun spread base with no run game established yet.
Even when it was 13-7 in the 3rd qtr, I knew we'd lose. It's asking WAY too much of your D in an offensive era to hold down what is in fact a good offense in Baltimore. I don't care if it's the Giants offense in SB 46 or Balt's offense in the AFC title game.
Ironically, I want our offense to be run like they run theirs.
Makes it worse to think about.
So, when you come in here whining about BB, left and right, as a GM, blah blah blah, this or that or someone taps into a portion of our problem on offense, please don't act like you know what you're talking about RKrap.
All your little pink helmet Irrational buddies can just forget about it. You lost this debate a long time ago.
you say everyone lost this debate and you won it, but you are debating the wrong topic. the debate is the reason for so much shot gun and hurry up because of BB or not? I say definatively it is. This team does not do anything with out BB's approval. you blame Brady.
I happen to think I am correct as to why BB runs this offense (to score 30 plus points to hide a porous D) while you think the blame is on Brady.
The board seems to agree with the way BB is planning this offense, and Brady executing it, you seem to be the lone dissenter.
I think it is now going on 3 years or so, that I have told you time and time again, my sole criticism of BB has been with the free agency signings. NOt the cuts (Milloy) trades (Seymour) or managing of the cap. My criticism is the decisions made with the available cap money.
really, at the end of the day, I am applauding BB's genius for running this offense, while you are blaming Brady for its failures. Why dont you hold BB accountable for changing the offense?