Re: The changes HAVE begun.
posted at 7/25/2013 11:49 AM EDT
In response to russgriswold's comment:
In response to ATJ's comment:
In response to rkarp's comment:
In response to ATJ's comment:
I make a concerted effort to be rational and balanced in my view of the Pats (not easy for a diehard Pats fan). Similarly, I make a concerted effort to be civil in what I post here. I must confess, however, that I am having difficulty remaining civil in responding to rkarp in this thread.
rkarp, you profess to be a media professional - I take you at your word. But I'm forced to ask what exactly happened in the past that has compromised your objectivity? Were you the guy BB threw out of the way when he was walking across the field to shake Mangini's hand? Did BB humiliate you in a press conference once? Did Robert Kraft not include you in some media event at some point and hurt your feelings? Did some contract security guard not recognize your media credential? I mean, seriously, what?? I ask because your post above is probably one of the most cynical and unprofessional assertions I've ever seen supposedly coming from somone in your profession.
ATJ. I am not a journalist. I am in video. Big difference. Unfortunately, this job is a lot of waiting around. Covering a team like the Pats, there are numerous other people waiting around, and the majority of them are journalists. We all shoot the breeze when we are not working. I also work for an organization that has the personel to dig into stories. So people, rightfully so, are digging.
If you were indeed objective as you say, how can you not see the discrepencies?
What are they digging?
1) Urban Meyer knew about the shootings in Fla. The Fla police knew about the shootings. It is theoretically impossible pre draft that the Pats did not question Meyer or the Fla police about Hern. Either the police and Meyer did not divulge the information, or you can then draw your own conclusions
2) The Pats employ and ex BPD officer and an ex Mass constable sherriff. Either they did not ask the BPD about Hern, or the BPD with held that info (police talk off the record more than athletes and journalists), or you can draw your own conclusions
3) The NFL has a team of ex FBI agents on staff, with its primary responsabilities drugs (not PEDS) and gang affiliations....either the Pats did not ask questions to the NFL, or you can draw your own conclusions...
I am not labeling anyone a liar. Listening to others discuss the issues, one plus one do not add up...and people are checking it out, thinking there is more to it.
Simple as that.
I was not shoved out of the way by BB when he had "the handshake"...but I was on the Reiss/Borges along with Brandt live feed in on OTL last night. I also ended a very long day/night at the Joe Maddon press conference. I didnt see most of the game, but apparently David Price is back to being dominant.
Thanks for the reply. To be clear, I never claimed objectivity. What I did assert is that I attempt to be rational and balanced. As diehard a Pats fan as I am, I can't really be objective.
With respect to your points, the Pats may very well have known about the Florida issues. I don't believe that either BB or Kraft denied that they did. BB alluded to making assessments based on info that is available from a variety of sources. The question that BB responded to yesterday, if I recall correctly, was the double homicide last year and I do not believe that the Pats were aware of any suspected Hern involvement.
If the NFL does in fact employ ex-FBI agents who track down gang affiliations I seriously doubt that they would have waited for an inquiry from the Pats before sharing that info, if they knew about Hern's gang relationships.
Truly, you've drawn your own conclusions (as we all do) based largely on speculation (some of us do, some of us don't). In my opinion, for the most part, BB was being candid yesterday.
Why do you treat RKrap like he isn't a troll? Don't fall for his garbage. You're too smart for that, ATJ.
His speculation and ESPN namedropping he plays off as truth and fact. It's also not his job as some video coordinator dork at ESPN to decided what the truth is.
I repeat, he works for ESPN. The Pats, Kraft, BB could not have handled the Hern thing any better, and Ray Lewis will be walking down the hall past RKrap this Fall.
The hypocrisy is so over the top, I don't think I've ever seen a bigger hypocrite than RKrap in my life.
Russ, I am in Bristol 2-3 times a month, if that.
But, Ray will be at Gillette over the weekend...big ESPN presence here the next few days....you should come over and introduce yourself. Oh yeah, you havent been to the stadium inalmost 20 years...yet youa re an expert...BWahahahahaha!
Move along Russ, nothing for you to see or comment on here. You have no credibility