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It seems nerve wracking and a bit far fetched to think a SB contender is relying on 2 rookies, 2 UDFA, a couple of retreads and 2 injury prone players as the WR's for the most prolific QB and passing game in NFL history. Past history dictates this simply won't work. Lets hope history doesn't repeat itself
I try not to think about it, really.
It IS nerve wracking though ... really ... outside of two special teams players (Edelman and Slater) NE has no one(!!!) at WR who has ever actually caught a professional pass from Tom Brady.
Nevermind the fact that two of the guys they are hoping to be contributors (one MAJOR another minor) in Amendola and Edelman, aren't exactly known for being the "iron horse" at WR, and have injury bug concerns.
With the influx of young talent there is some reason to be exited ... but this WR corps is also a few injuries, busts, bad matches, slow development cycles away from being a total and unmitigated nightmare this season.
That doesn't even MENTION the fact that neither of your star TEs are known for being stalwarts of health either. Sheesh.
Think about it! Or don't, lol!
Was it "nervewracking" 2003 with an aging Troy Brown and David Patten as lead WRs in camp, Fauria (never caught a pass from Brady) and Deion Branch in camp as a rookie (never caught a pass from Tom Brady)?
Do some of you even read the crap you write?
It's like you're using a pre-emptive strike with your agenda in here, so when January rolls around, and this team is a 13-3 team, a 1 or 2 seed and Brady has 35 TDs and 9 INTs, the offense leads the NFL in stats, Ridley has 1200 yards, Bolden 500 yards, etc, if Brady chokes it down again, he's covered.
That's kind of the vibe you types like to give off in here.
Frankly, some fans are sick and tired of watching the 2007 offense being chased down by Brady, Welker, Branch, etc, as they lack execution and then somehow escape any criticism from the media.
This team is LOADED. LOADED with talent on offense. LOADED.
All we've heard about is how Brady doesn't have any weapons. You're running out of excuses.
2007 destroyed some of our fans ability to understand the game off football, especially on offense. We don't need 2 HOF WRs and then 3 or 4 other average targets for Brady. We need 4 quality options with varying skill sets who can routes from the X, Y and Z, without physical limitations like Moss and Welker. Don't look now, but Hernandez is essentially a WR, where you can line him up at the X, Y or Z and not really miss a beat.
Moss ran like 4 routes and drew doubles due to his freakish range and speed. But, he couldn't or wasn't asked to do much else because he didn't need to do anything else. We've learned those limitations have come back to bite that style offense.
Welker may have been moved to the Z position at times, but he wasn't effective and was nothing more than an obvious decoy.
Not good enough.
Back under center, run the ball, spread it around. It's called a West Coast offense. We used to see our QB master it, but now he only feels comfortable in the shotgun spread. As mentioned, that's about to change. Oh, yes it is. And, I don't care whose name is on the back of those jerseys.
BB has the names off the jerseys and helmets for a reason. Wake up, kids.
The New England Patriots have never *ever* run a West Coast offense. Please get your facts straight. They've run an Earhardt-Perkins offense for almost 40 consecutive years ....
Absolutely false. It's a hybrid of a West Coast with that traditional Weis or traditional Perkins/Erhardt style. Absolute hubrid. Without question. Getting the ball out quickly, etc. Absolutely. The roots of Weis's plays are buried in the Perkins plays, sure, but it's expanded under Weis into pulling from a West Coast hybrid here.
You're telling me Ernie Zampese and Bledsoe here, while rooted in that Perkins/Erhardt style is the same thing Weis was running with Brady's skills here in 2003 and 2004? LOL!
Not even close! Not even close.
The problems in recent years is the excessive use of the shotgun and too far removed from the traditional base.
It's comical to me you don't get this and think Brady is running our offense the same as a Perkins, Erhardt or an Erinie Zampese did here with Bledsoe.
No. It's not a hybrid. Not at all. You are wrong.
In EP offense you use one kind of nomenclature for plays, one kind of terminology, one kind of route system.
In West Coast you use another entirely different set of all of these.
1.) One is incredibly complex in terminology, the other is streamlined in terminology.
2.) One has very simple route system matched to the play another uses complex route concepts matched to packages and adjustments.
3.) One uses numbers and receiver spots and "tags" to generate a meaning for a play.
The other uses single word terminology, with relativelty few tags.
4.) One uses plays that are WR driven, the other uses plays that driven from a QBs perspective.
The Zampese offense is almost identical in the "concepts" they ran to what NE has run here as well, both of them falling under the more modern "Air Erhardt" iteration of the system. The use of ball control passing is something NE has done, and Erhardt had done, for decade, since the late 1980s. It's nothing new at all.
In that sense.... every single offense in the NFL is a "hybrid" of the West Coast offense because since it arrived in the NFL every single offense, with exception of a few gimmick offenses, has employed the type of ball control passing, passing to set up running lanes, etcetera, that Bill Walsh used .... but that's why West Coast was so revolutionary .... it literally changed the way the NFL game was played. But adapting to modern NFL concepts is something Erhardt himself was already doing in the late 1980s and early 1990s ... by the time any of these people you mention arrived here in NE, ball control passing and Erhardt Perkins were already associated together. Next thing people are going to be telling me that anyone who scripts plays the way Walsh did are running a hybrid.
Bledsoe threw the ball 500-600 times pitching it as ball control passes to Glenn and Coates the same way Brady throws the ball 500-600 times to his slots and TEs.
Brady put 100 balls in Browns hands in 2001 and 2002, and 100 between Branch/Brown from 2003, 2005 and 2006, and has put 100 balls into Welker's hands from 2007-2012.
The shifts are shifts in peripheral personnel, but the core: one RB and ball control passing has been the same. There are wrinkles added and subtracted each season to give the offense nuance and variety year to year, but this team has been driven by the slot since BB arrived ... it's not a hyrbid it's just Air Erhardt.
What you are saying is basically anathema ... this team, the one you claim to love so much is literally synonymous with this offensive system, it is NE's legacy and the pedigree of everything that has been done here.
At no point was it a hybrid with a West Coast offense at all. They've literally used the same EP terminology and basic concepts for decades the way EP developed them, and have never employed anyone that uses a West Coast playbook or West Coast terminology ever.