The Decline Of The New England Patriots And Tom Brady

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    In Response to Re: The Decline Of The New England Patriots And Tom Brady:
    [QUOTE]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/598375-new-england-patriots-continued-success-makes-spygate-a-moot-point http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1061258-fired-up-setting-the-record-straight-on-spygate Kind of like describing  butterfly to a blind man, but here we go again................
    Posted by leatherhelmet[/QUOTE]

    Great links....!

    But don't expect it to convince an airhead like MR.  We've tried for years, but they have to believe it was this 'cheating' that kept Peyton from winning six titles..!

    I think the authors must know MR....they kept referring to the ignorant fools who actually believe that nonsense.
     
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    [QUOTE]You cheat, you get caught, you continue to cheat and peeve the football gods off severely.
    Posted by ManningRules[/QUOTE]

    One thing you might want to check out before pointing fingers about cheating.

    Apparently fact finding isn't your passion.

    Who was spying on the Patriots?
    Cold, Hard Football Facts for May 13, 2008

     

    (Ed. Note: A version of this story originally appeared on Super Bowl Sunday. Naturally, there were bigger events that day ... we vaguely remember something about a great catch and an upset or something. We updated the piece in wake of current events. Generally speaking, the story proves in no uncertain terms that the sports media is filled with frauds with an agenda. Just be thankful you have the power of the Cold, Hard Football Facts on your side.)
     
    The never-ending "Spygate" saga passes a new milestone today with the much-anticipated meeting between the Gridiron Godfather, Roger Goodell, and former Patriots employee Matt Walsh, who allegedly filmed Rams practice on behalf of New England before Super Bowl XXXVI.
     
    The stakes are high: Walsh may have evidence that brings down the mighty Bill Belichick and perhaps the New England dynasty itself. Or it may prove much ado about nothing, which seems the most likely scenario at this point.
     
    In either case, one element of the story remains strangely absent from the discussion. On Feb. 2, 2002, on the eve of Super Bowl XXXVI, on the very same day Walsh was allegedly filming Rams practice, the New York Times reported that somebody was seen spying on the Patriots as they prepared for the big game.
     
    The most interesting aspect of the story? League officials themselves saw the spy, at least according to the Times story filed by Judy Battista.
     
    The key passage from her 2002 report:
     
    "Club and league officials (our emphasis) said a telescope was clearly visible in the window, according to a pool report, and that 15 minutes later, a person appeared at the window, and then vanished."
     
    (You can read the report here. It was first brought to our attention by Cold, Hard Football Facts Forum member GodInAGreyHoodie. As the name indicates, this is clearly a guy with an agenda. But he was merely the messenger. We can assume Battista and the original pool reporter had no such agenda.)
     
    Battista identified the source as a pool report, but we don't have access to that original item. But, as a pool report, it was probably published in countless newspapers and wire services around the country (if anyone has it, email it to us here).
     
    Of course, spying on opponents, a practice older than the leather helmet, never raised eyebrows until the least popular man in football, Bill Belichick, was caught in the act.
     
    After all, it seems that somebody was spying on the Patriots before Super Bowl XXXVI - according to no less an authority than representatives of the almighty NFL itself. This report of a spy (is it a stretch to assume it was someone acting on behalf of the Rams?) was published in major media outlets, such as The New York Times.
     
    This act of espionage on the eve of the big game was quickly forgotten.
     
    It seems hunting down Mike Martz is not nearly as titillating as hunting down Dr. Evil himself, Bill Belichick. Hence, no media frenzy over the spy the NFL witnessed at Patriots practice on the eve of the Super Bowl.
     
    Any legitimate news source seeking the truth would look at all accusations of spying, especially those witnessed by NFL officials. The failure to do so tells us that these sources are nothing more than rag peddlers of pigskin conspiracies.
     
    As far as we know, the NFL itself did not report any spies at Rams practice before Super Bowl XXXVI. Instead, those allegations, which we will probably know more about following today's meeting, came from other sources - sources the NFL would surely agree are less credible than the league itself. But the NFL did report a spy at Patriots practice before Super Bowl XXXVI.
     
    We're not holding our breath though, folks, expecting equal treatment of these stories in the media. Obviously, that ship slipped over the horizon long ago. And we're sure as hell not expecting the NFL to demand cooperation from the Rams and levy huge fines against the organization if they were in fact cheating, as league officials seemed to indicate.
     
    What we are expecting is more of the same: a media hurricane that breaches the levies of hackery and floods the airwaves with our mortal enemies: opinion, rumor and hype. We've already seen those forces in action for the past several months.
     
    As Tony Kornheiser said on ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption" last week, "foaming at the mouth" is what sports reporters do best. Spygate is a classic example.
     
    The bottom line is that the Patriots deserved to be punished for breaking the rules. But we know "Spygate" is a witch hunt because the media ignores the eyewitness accounts of possible spying by other teams, even when the eyewitness accounts come from no less a source than NFL officials.

    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2142_Who_was_spying_on_the_Patriots%3F.html
     
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    [QUOTE]Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Long live the *
    Posted by ManningRules[/QUOTE]


    Keep telling yourself if you call them cheaters enough times that it will change the NFL ruling on the matter. It never will. Live with it.
     
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    Tom Coughlin
    W/L % as Giants Head Coach = .578
    W/L % last 4 years = .609

    Bill Belichick
    W/L % as Patriots Head Coach = .724
    W/L % last 4 years = .750

    Please show me where the decline is?  Matter of fact, it looks like Belichicks over all W/L %  with the Patriots is better then Coughlins over all W/L % with the Giants.

    Other interesting stats over all head coach record with all teams.

    Coughlin:
    Games over .500: 28
    Super Bowl Wins: 2
    Overall Championships: 2
    Conference Championships: 2
    Division Championships: 7

    Belichick:
    Games over .500: 78
    Super Bowl Wins: 3
    Overall Championships: 3
    Conference Championships: 5
    Division Championships: 11

    Hmm.  Might want to rethink the Bill Belichick criticism.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Decline Of The New England Patriots And Tom Brady : HaHa.....Whatever!  If that's the case, why did the ENTIRE population of the Star forum move to a new site and NOT invite you and your troll buddy's? The last thing I remember right before the forums were shut down was YOU getting bounced right out the door. (Thanks to me BTW) And riddle me this BatMan... You're on a COLTS forum. NewEngland is our biggest rivalry. Do you think we like the Patriots? Of course we hated them, you and anything else Boston related. Quit your crying and put your big girl panties on. You're making yourself and your fellow fans look bad.
    Posted by ManningRules[/QUOTE]

    NewEngland is our biggest rivalry

    Any Pats fans out there think think the 2-14 Colts are the Pats biggest rivalry?

    LOL.  Rivalry from a 2-14 team.

    The Colts are so irrelevant and bad they apparently lost their forum.

    RIVALRY?  What a joke.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Decline Of The New England Patriots And Tom Brady : I was talking about when he trolled the Colts forum over the past 5 years you twit. Since you ask.The Colts will be fine in a year or two..Where will your team be. No more Brady, no more video taping...Its gonna be a mess around here. Good luck getting past the two Mannings this year. Odds are, one of them will be winning the SB again.     LONG LIVE THE *
    Posted by ManningRules[/QUOTE]

    The Colts will be fine in a year or two

    Really?  From the worst team in the league to "fine" in a year or two?
    What high exectations.


     Odds are, one of them will be winning the SB again.

    Those are some pretty long odds.  Speaking of odds have you checked the Vegas lines lately?  They know who the best team in the league is!Cool

    2-14   BAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I wouldn't describe being a Pats fan for the last 6 years as "a living hell". They fell short in the 2 SB's they were in and that loss to the Colts was frustrating, but the journey has been great, week in & week out. Only 1 team gets the ring, it doesn't mean every other fan from every other team should cry themselves to sleep. The Pats are a great team, albeit human. Sometimes bad play does them in, sometimes bad luck, and sometimes bad health (Like Gronk in the SB and the whole team in 06). Still wouldn't want to root for anyone else. Very few games the Pat's play turn out disappointing
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Decline Of The New England Patriots And Tom Brady : I fixed it for you. Hmm, I do believe the Colts were the worst team in the league when they drafted Manning. How did that turn out numnuts? Oh, that's right. Manning had 1 bad year and the Colts went on to being the winningest team of the decade. The Patriots will FOREVER be associated with Spygate. Quite a "dynasty". LOL! Long live the *
    Posted by ManningRules[/QUOTE]

    2-14 Cool

    How about that rivalry!!!  Bahaha.

    No wonder why PM took the money and ran.
     
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    [QUOTE]Number of Super Bowl wins after Patriots CONVICTED of Cheating .      Manning - 1      Manning - 2                         Patsy's - 0 - Priceless!
    Posted by ManningRules[/QUOTE]

    Whaaaa!  Whaaaaa!  Do you cry every post?


    Whaaaa the big bad Patriots beat my Colts over and over again and won three SB's whaaaa.  Imagine if the Pats were not in the league, Peyton may have 4 or 5 SB's.  And he would still be a Colt!!!

    Whaaaaa!   Whaaaa!

    Stop crying about your irrelevant 2-14team because no one cares.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Decline Of The New England Patriots And Tom Brady : I see somebody found out where mommy was hiding the juice boxes. Remember....one's your limit! BTW: The Pats never won anything without cheating!
    Posted by ManningRules[/QUOTE]

    Again.

    Whaaaa!   Whaaaaa!

    Stop crying because your team is 2-14Cry
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Decline Of The New England Patriots And Tom Brady : Again. Whaaaa!   Whaaaaa! Stop crying because your team is 2-14
    Posted by MoreRings[/QUOTE]

    2-14 On purpose!!!
    Bad, bad, juju when they tanked the perfect season.  This time it will be much worse.  Maybe they'll pack their bags and move to LA this time.
    Hey manningrulesfemaletrainers, did you know tanking is cheating?  Did you know it's also illegal and a felony?  Tsk, Tsk!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Decline Of The New England Patriots And Tom Brady : I fixed it for you. Hmm, I do believe the Colts were the worst team in the league when they drafted Manning. How did that turn out numnuts? Oh, that's right. Manning had 1 bad year and the Colts went on to being the winningest team of the decade. The Patriots will FOREVER be associated with Spygate. Quite a "dynasty". LOL! Long live the *
    Posted by ManningRulesFemaleTrainers[/QUOTE]

    I fixed your name for ya!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: The Decline Of The New England Patriots And Tom Brady : 2-14 On purpose!!! Bad, bad, juju when they tanked the perfect season.  This time it will be much worse.  Maybe they'll pack their bags and move to LA this time. Hey manningrulesfemaletrainers, did you know tanking is cheating?  Did you know it's also illegal and a felony?  Tsk, Tsk!!
    Posted by pezz4pats[/QUOTE]

     did you know tanking is cheating? Did you know it's also illegal and a felony? Tsk, Tsk!!

    Very good point Pezz.  However I'd rather refer to it as disgusting.

    No wonder the Indy fans are such cry babies.Cry
     
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