Re: The idea that NE will be ok once everyone is healthy
posted at 9/17/2013 1:43 PM EDT
In response to TripleOG's comment:
Thats fine. We just see it differently. You are bringing up the past which usually is a sign of delfection. I just wanted you to admit that maybe BBs way is flawed but that will never happen. Why do u say Peteys plan didnt work? Because we didnt win a SB? So if thats true,. BBs plan hasnt worked since Weiss and Crennel left in 04' right?
Petey made the playoffs with those teams. BB went 5-11 with them. Peteys downfall in NE was being too much of a players coach. Rah Rah, and not discipline enough. So guys were out drunk, jumping in moss pits. Terry Glenn p*s sing on limos. McGinest always getting groin injuries due to not working out in offseason. BB came here and made offseason workouts a priority,. He bought structure. I give him that but he needs GM help. I can say it if u cant. U can ask Patseng what HE knew, but Im talking about SCOUTS that BB IGNORED. Outside of salary cap, team structure , great coaching and drafting Brady(yea thats alot) He is a mess at the GM position with DBs which is his favorite position to coach? I just dont get it.
You brought up Pete Carroll not me, I just reminded you he has won zero NFL titles. He also went 10-6, 9-7 and 8-8 with the Patriots, a year later after two drafts Belichick won a ring and then followed it up with two more in three years with the same team.
I wouldn't say BB's plan hasn't worked since Weis and Crennel left, though I will agree the biggest challenge for Belichick has been loss and turnover of coaches and not a lack of talent. I would also add that those senior coaches had a better idea of what BB and the team needed so it also has an adverse effect on drafting, this doesn't mean Belichick can't spot talent. The losses of McDaniels the first time, Mangini, Steve Woicik, Pioli etc... continued to hurt this team long after Weis and Crennel were gone.
I have always been critical of the team's decision to cap how much they pay assistant coaches, especially offensive coordinator because it is not a strength of BB's, still that is coaching not his ability as GM and that decision might very well be from the Krafts above, I don't know. For people who insist I am a "homer" this has been a criticism of mine for years.
Asante Samuel, Eugene Wilson, Ellis Hobbs, Logan Ryan and Duron Harmon all look pretty good to me, I don't see a flaw with his ability to draft any singular position, I just see a tougher position to fill than say O line or tight end.
There is also the simple fact that they've used up all of the equity built up from the early years, the multiple #1 picks and ability to sneak up on people in the draft and have been picking from the bottom of the barrel for years now because they win.
It's easy to point at any singular player like TY Hilton and play "what if," but assuming he could thrive in this offense or environment is not always a sure thing. Coming into the worst team and trying to make a name for yourself is easier than trying to make the best team in the league with better players ahead of you getting reps.
This isn't an easy place to play, only the strong survive, but it produces winning results, results that can't be argued with. If anyone has had a better long term "plan" then Belichick or been as successful for this long, I'd suggest you to produce him? It isn't Pete Carroll.