Re: The idea that NE will be ok once everyone is healthy
posted at 9/17/2013 2:59 PM EDT
In response to seattlepat70's comment:
In response to TripleOG's comment:
In response to seattlepat70's comment:
In response to wozzy's comment:
The draft is a crapshoot, the worth of any player is relative to the GM or team making the pick. Kiper had Mankins rated as a third round pick and called him "a reach," he has been one of the best in the NFL at his given position since he was drafted.
Great you told us Ras was a bad pick, did you tell us to go get Sherman? Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
If Amendola plays through injury or misses one or two games were you right about Amendola? You're very talented at assembling a team, we're all impressed. Adrian Wilson got injured, what exactly were you right about, did you make such declarative statements about all our injured players, BTW he's still on the team.
You can't argue with success, that isn't just a pretty slogan.
Don't get me wrong here. I am totally behind satying the course with the rooks. However, I have to disagree with a few things you are saying here.
1) Uncertainty is a reality drafting, but drafting is not a total crapshoot. If you truly believe that then the logical conclusion is for the Pats to abolish the scouting department and just pick BAT or BAT of need according to the "market's big board". In a total crapshoot, the results of either approach should be the same.
2) Just because Mankins turned out to be much better than Kiper thought does not mean the pick was not a reach. As analogy, look at the prospects as goods. If the market is valuing the good at $40, why pay $80 just because you value it at $100. I believe the assessments of the Kipers of the world is probably closer to market valuation.
The draft actually is almost like a sealed auction. There will be particpants who overbid and those that underbid. The difference is that during drafts, there is some information, albeit imperfect, where the market is valung the good. It worked out with Mankins. I think BB suffered what's referred to as winner's curse with T Wilson.
3) Ras had an injury history that went all the way back to HS. There is a pretty long pattern. That's very different from Gronk having one issue in college. In a process with so much uncertainty, such as the draft, you are trying to manage risk. A long history of injury is probably a sound strategy for reducing risk of decisions.
Exactly. Its more than a crapshoot IF you USE your Resources. Mankins did look like a steal his first 2 years but Im sorry, the guy has been overpaid since. Rookie year he was mauling guys 20 yards downfield and I recall saying "ok, thats why" but money changed him. Now he is just our cheap shot artist who leads our line in penalties. I wish they would let him walk esp. when Connolly played better. Im just saying. Its a risk, but BB goes after TOO many risks IMO to save a buck
I do think the OL is not tough enough when having to run block, so I want some nastiness out there. I also believe you can be nasty without being a sheap shot.
Yea I have been saying for years thats why I was excited about Cannon. He seemed to have some size, havent seen the nastiness yet. MY thoery with this is for years they had a prototype size u had to fit. It was 6'3 - 300 lbs. You couldnt be heavier because they liked their guards to pull alot and be on the move. Weve long needed a mauler at guard which Logan WAS until he started to get hurt and play like a shell of himself. He has looked better this year so far. They been trying to break that mold since 05' when they drafted 6'8" Ryan Callahan and got it right now with Solder and Vollmer, both 6'7 or whatever.
I recall back in day BB had to have corners with good feet. He would avoid taller CBs at all costs because their hips were too tight. So, he drafted guys like E.Hobbs, T.Wheatley, J.Wilhite, picked up Terrel Buckley. We had a whole team of smurfs for years until BB realized you CAN get bigger CBs that can play if u SPEND! He had an epiphany and started bringing in Deltha O'Neals, Leigh Bodden, S.SPrings, C.Scott. All guys over 6 feet and they all BUMMED OUT cuz he was too cheap to draft a high CB. He tried to get bigger CBs who were washed up. He drafted the bigger Mike Richardson. He flamed out after one good preseason. Now we have a bigger guy(Talib) and a smaller guy(Dennard) that look good, but Yeeeesh! Stay on point BIlly. MY point with Carroll was back in 99 He had Tebucky Jones at Cb. Now he has Sherman. He is consistent. He knows what he wants and get it. If Asante was HIS guy, why not pay him? Well because Asante refused to play man/press. He knew he wasnt any good at it. They tried to force McCourty to do it and now he is a safety. Ijs, KNOw what u want and make sure its the right guy.