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    the NFL players union is officailly a joke

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7963260/nfl-players-association-files-suit-vs-nfl-alleges-collusion-2010

    sueing the league for 4 billion dollars! what a joke. the definition of a frivilous lawsuit

    The contentious relationship between the NFL and the NFL Players Association continued Wednesday when the union filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the league and its owners conspired in collusion to establish a "secret $123 million salary cap" in 2010, which under the previous labor agreement was designated as an uncapped year of spending.

    The NFLPA filed its collusion complaint in U.S. District Court in Minneapolis, claiming that it falls under the supervision and oversight of Judge David Doty, who presided over the 1993 settlement of the Reggie White litigation case.

    That settlement led to an unprecedented stretch of labor peace that lasted through 2010, which was designated as an uncapped year in which teams would not be restricted in their spending on players' salaries.

    Instead, the NFLPA claims that it learned on or about March 12 of this year that four teams -- the Washington Redskins, Dallas Cowboys, Oakland Raiders and New Orleans Saints -- did not abide by the NFL's secret rules that effectively advised teams to operate in 2010 under a $123 million salary cap.

    The NFL in March penalized the Redskins and Cowboys in cap spending at $36 million and $10 million sums, respectively, during the next two years, a decision that was recently upheld by Special Master Stephen Burbank's ruling, citing the NFLPA's agreement to an arrangement that would redistribute the money to other teams for cap spending.

     

    The filing of these claims is prohibited by the Collective Bargaining Agreement and separately by an agreement signed by the players' attorneys last August. The claims have absolutely no merit and we fully expect them to be dismissed.

    -- NFL spokesman Greg Aiello

    An NFLPA source said that the union was "strong-armed" into the agreement because the cap would have been set at a league-wide $113 million per team, instead of $120 million.

    The union is seeking $1 billion in actual damages for players primarily in the 2010 free-agent class and $3 billion in damages as violation of the 1993 White agreement.

    NFL spokesman Greg Aiello scoffed at the union's lawsuit, saying the league expects it to be dismissed.

    "The filing of these claims is prohibited by the Collective Bargaining Agreement and separately by an agreement signed by the players' attorneys last August. The claims have absolutely no merit and we fully expect them to be dismissed," Aiello said.

    "On multiple occasions, the players and their representatives specifically dismissed all claims, known or unknown, whether pending or not, regarding alleged violations of the 2006 CBA and the related settlement agreement. We continue to look forward to focusing on the future of the game rather than grievances of a prior era that have already been resolved."

     
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    I don't know about you but From now on I will refuse to buy anything with player identified name or number, to avoid any type of support to them. I find that the NFLPA acting as the official representitive for the players has demonstrated total disregard for the operations of the game, and shown typicaly tunnel vision on a cash grab for the players.  They have fought and stalled each and every move the NFL has made for the betterment of the game overall. They have filled bogus law suit after law suit seeking monitary gain for the individuals of the NFLPA with total disregard for the NFL, the body that makes their existance possible.

     They have sued over lack of safety while at the sametime sueing over the implementation of greater safety rules. They disavowed the signing of the CBA and challenged the soverenty of the NFL, then agreed to terms with the NFL and new CBA. Now they want a second bite of the apple and wish to challenge the CBA and NFL on each individual point covered in the CBA, one at a time.

     The only way I can see to voice my displeasure over the actions of the NFLPA and the players for allowing those actions to happen without punishing the NFL is to refuse to purchase anything that the individual players get a cut of. If products that players get a cut of have there sales stop, and the team nonplayer related sales are unaffected than maby they will get the hint.

     Tired of the attitude of entitlement that players have, and the disrespect for the game, its rules, and the organization of the NFL that made all there futures possible.  Its a small sacrifice to refuse to buy those player jerseys and any thing with a player identifiable name or number, but if it is done effectively, they will notice.
     
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    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7963260/nfl-players-association-files-suit-vs-nfl-alleges-collusion-2010 sueing the league for 4 billion dollars! what a joke. the definition of a frivilous lawsuit The contentious relationship between the NFL and the NFL Players Association continued Wednesday when the union filed a federal lawsuit alleging that the league and its owners conspired in collusion to establish a "secret $123 million salary cap" in 2010, which under the previous labor agreement was designated as an uncapped year of spending. NFLPA Sues NFL For Collusion The NFL Players Association filed a federal lawsuit vs. the NFL, alleging that the league and its owners conspired in collusion to establish a "secret $123 million salary cap" in 2010, circumventing the agreed-to uncapped season. PDF The NFLPA filed its collusion complaint in U.S. District Court in Minneapolis, claiming that it falls under the supervision and oversight of Judge David Doty, who presided over the 1993 settlement of the Reggie White litigation case. That settlement led to an unprecedented stretch of labor peace that lasted through 2010, which was designated as an uncapped year in which teams would not be restricted in their spending on players' salaries. Instead, the NFLPA claims that it learned on or about March 12 of this year that four teams -- the Washington Redskins , Dallas Cowboys , Oakland Raiders and New Orleans Saints -- did not abide by the NFL's secret rules that effectively advised teams to operate in 2010 under a $123 million salary cap. The NFL in March penalized the Redskins and Cowboys in cap spending at $36 million and $10 million sums, respectively, during the next two years, a decision that was recently upheld by Special Master Stephen Burbank's ruling, citing the NFLPA's agreement to an arrangement that would redistribute the money to other teams for cap spending.   “ The filing of these claims is prohibited by the Collective Bargaining Agreement and separately by an agreement signed by the players' attorneys last August. The claims have absolutely no merit and we fully expect them to be dismissed. ” -- NFL spokesman Greg Aiello An NFLPA source said that the union was "strong-armed" into the agreement because the cap would have been set at a league-wide $113 million per team, instead of $120 million. The union is seeking $1 billion in actual damages for players primarily in the 2010 free-agent class and $3 billion in damages as violation of the 1993 White agreement. NFL spokesman Greg Aiello scoffed at the union's lawsuit, saying the league expects it to be dismissed. "The filing of these claims is prohibited by the Collective Bargaining Agreement and separately by an agreement signed by the players' attorneys last August. The claims have absolutely no merit and we fully expect them to be dismissed," Aiello said. "On multiple occasions, the players and their representatives specifically dismissed all claims, known or unknown, whether pending or not, regarding alleged violations of the 2006 CBA and the related settlement agreement. We continue to look forward to focusing on the future of the game rather than grievances of a prior era that have already been resolved."
    Posted by natesubs


    As I have said for the last 4 weeks, the NFLPA is totally abusing the players, and its the attorney's (DeMaurice Smith average salary-1.8 mill a year, to run a fraudulent and fallacious Union) at the helm.

    These Lawsuits will radically alter all future contracts, I'm sorry but if I were the owners, I would pad my bank acounts and break this Union...
    Until then, get some popcorn because this is only going to get worse....Yell
     
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    You guys forget, the union wanted to decertify and the owners went to court to keep it a union . . . if they wanted to break it, they could have done that easily because the union was already volunteering to do it for them.

    What you don't get is that the owners want the union because it's the only way they can continue to have anti-competitive practices like a salary cap.  Get rid of the union and all those rules become illegal anti-competitive collusion. 

    Remember, the teams are separate businesses . . . they can't set wages collectively unless they have an agreement to do so from a union.  Take away the union, and the teams have to compete against each other in a free market like any other businesses in the US. 



     
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    You guys forget, the union wanted to decertify and the owners went to court to keep it a union . . . if they wanted to break it, they could have done that easily because the union was already volunteering to do it for them. What you don't get is that the owners want the union because it's the only way they can continue to have anti-competitive practices like a salary cap.  Get rid of the union and all those rules become illegal anti-competitive collusion.  Remember, the teams are separate businesses . . . they can't set wages collectively unless they have an agreement to do so from a union.  Take away the union, and the teams have to compete against each other in a free market like any other businesses in the US. 
    Posted by prolate0spheroid


    prolate
    The NFL teams don't set wages collectivly, all players for every team bargain for their own cpntract and pay wage..
    The NFL teams use the average to set their prices as Not to overpay or grossly underpay. It is up to each team to set the wages they desire to pay.

    Here is the quote from The Supreme Court rejected the National Football League's request for broad antitrust law protection in 2010,


    Had the NFL won this case, it may have been able to -- as one business entity -- implement salaries for its players and its coaches instead of having the current system of individual players bargaining for deals. The biggest thing that came from this ruling on Monday is it could kick-start labor extension talks and prevent a lockout in 2011
    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5214509

    Unfortunately, I doubt the NFL had any idea of what was to come after signing last year.
    This union is ruining the NFL
     
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    Of the four major professional sports, MLB; NFL; NHL and NBA, only MLB has a successful union. Major League Baseball players met up with Marvin Miller in 1965 and in 1968 signed a CBA. This CBA is backed by the Federal government unlike the other three unions. The NFL union will always lose to ownership as long as the majority of the owners stick together.
     
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    At this point, honestly, I don't give two $***s about the union.

    All I give a damn about is that there is competitive NFL football on Thursdays, Sundays and Mondays during the fall and winter months...

    What happens to the league and its players salary wise, well, I just don't give a ****.
     
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    In Response to Re: the NFL players union is officailly a joke : prolate The NFL teams don't set wages collectivly, all players for every team bargain for their own cpntract and pay wage.. The NFL teams use the average to set their prices as Not to overpay or grossly underpay. It is up to each team to set the wages they desire to pay. Here is the quote from The Supreme Court rejected the National Football League's request for broad antitrust law protection in 2010, Had the NFL won this case, it may have been able to -- as one business entity -- implement salaries for its players and its coaches instead of having the current system of individual players bargaining for deals. The biggest thing that came from this ruling on Monday is it could kick-start labor extension talks and prevent a lockout in 2011 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5214509 Unfortunately, I doubt the NFL had any idea of what was to come after signing last year. This union is ruining the NFL
    Posted by Stommpper


    Stommpper, the salary cap and rookie wage scale would be considered anti-competitive collusion in wage setting in the absence of a union.  I know you own a business--you couldn't call up your competitors and make a collective agreement to cap salaries, agree on a maximum and minimum labour spend, or collectively determine pay for new hires.  The Supreme Court has ruled that NFL teams are separate businesses, and as long as they are separate businesses they can't do all these things--unless they are operating under a collective bargaining agreement.  

    I thought one of the oddest things about the labour dispute last year was that the employers wanted to maintain the union almost more than the employees did.  (Hence all the outrage about the union decertifying--most businesses would have been popping champagne corks if their unions decertified!) The reason is simply because practices like the salary cap and rookie wage scale would clearly be illegal in the absence of a union so the owners want to keep the union.  Of course they'd like it to be docile and do what's best for them all the time too, but unions don't really exist to benefit employers, they exist to benefit employees, so the union isn't always going to do what the owners want, especially when it thinks the owners are doing something that limits wages.

    I haven't read the NFLPA's lawsuit yet . . . from a reading of the news articles, they seem to have a tough hurdle to get over because of the language of the CBA they just signed, so I imagine the suit will be tossed.  But it will be interesting to hear their arguments and see what the courts think.  Oddly, the NFL's decision against the Redskins and Cowboys for spending too much in 2010 does seem to be an admission that the NFL was indeed enforcing some kind of cap during 2010 when the CBA in effect at the time clearly stated there would be no cap.  So the players actually have a legitimate gripe it seems that the NFL was violating the terms of their agreement.  The problem the union faces now is it may have signed away its right to file a suit for things the NFL did in 2010.

    We'll see, I guess.  But I think people are overreacting to this one . . . the union almost had to file a suit as a means of protest once it became so obvious that the the NFL likely violated the then-existing CBA in 2010.  Some are claiming that the real purpose of the suit is simply to make a statement to the NFL that future violations won't be passed over and to give the teams something to think about if they try a move like this again.  



     
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    To compare traditional unions to any sports unions
    is absurd.

    The whole certification / decertification issue is asinine
    the Teams are at a severe bargaining disadvantage-
    Always open to mulitlple class action suits or colusion
    charges.

    One NFL team needs another NFL team to play against.
    GM doesn't need Ford

    NFL teams share in revenue - GM, Ford etc do not

    We hear that players are suing for safety
    but yell and scream when the commissioner comes down
    hard on those players who think it there right to maim
    another player.

    Which makes the union position against the bounty players
    hypocritical - and by the way the NFL also punished
    management personnel - something the players want to ignore
    by calling those guys liars - And this after the Union told the
    players not to particpate in the investigation but get lawyers
    - Screw them - including the management types

    It seems to me that the way the union is going about its
    saftey business - is to oppose anything that is safe and then
    sue the NFL for not protecting them. Its the owners fault
    that a large % of  players are broke 3-5 yrs after retirement?
    Or that there wasn't as much $ in the NFL even 10 yrs ago
    so they should get even now?

    And the NFl did come up with money for former players
    but it was the current plaers who kept it lower

    in terms of this latest bs - the owners have a perfect right to make sure
    that all the accounting of player salaries is done in the exact same manner
    Wouldn't you know that the owners who did are the worst
    4 teams when it comes to ethical behavior -


    Now we hear that the players were "forced" into
    an agreement they didn't want. Screw them.
    The % of revenues that was agreed to is
    very in much in line with the classic busines model %
    of Cost of Goods & Services-
    which is needed for a healthy on going concern

    This is what happens when you have a lawyer in charge
    of anything. When $'s are involved they look for any
    wording they think they can weasel and then blow it up.

    And remember too - this guy is a friend of POTUS - who
    has a war against profits - you never know when a
    Federal Investigation is going to appear

    the union needs to be healthy - but we don't need another
    killing of the golden goose - which the attenmpt is is now underway
    and the players are too ignoratn, stupid or greedy to understand







     
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    In Response to Re: the NFL players union is officailly a joke : Stommpper, the salary cap and rookie wage scale would be considered anti-competitive collusion in wage setting in the absence of a union.  I know you own a business--you couldn't call up your competitors and make a collective agreement to cap salaries, agree on a maximum and minimum labour spend, or collectively determine pay for new hires.  The Supreme Court has ruled that NFL teams are separate businesses, and as long as they are separate businesses they can't do all these things--unless they are operating under a collective bargaining agreement.   I thought one of the oddest things about the labour dispute last year was that the employers wanted to maintain the union almost more than the employees did.  (Hence all the outrage about the union decertifying--most businesses would have been popping champagne corks if their unions decertified!) The reason is simply because practices like the salary cap and rookie wage scale would clearly be illegal in the absence of a union so the owners want to keep the union.  Of course they'd like it to be docile and do what's best for them all the time too, but unions don't really exist to benefit employers, they exist to benefit employees, so the union isn't always going to do what the owners want, especially when it thinks the owners are doing something that limits wages. I haven't read the NFLPA's lawsuit yet . . . from a reading of the news articles, they seem to have a tough hurdle to get over because of the language of the CBA they just signed, so I imagine the suit will be tossed.  But it will be interesting to hear their arguments and see what the courts think.  Oddly, the NFL's decision against the Redskins and Cowboys for spending too much in 2010 does seem to be an admission that the NFL was indeed enforcing some kind of cap during 2010 when the CBA in effect at the time clearly stated there would be no cap.  So the players actually have a legitimate gripe it seems that the NFL was violating the terms of their agreement.  The problem the union faces now is it may have signed away its right to file a suit for things the NFL did in 2010. We'll see, I guess.  But I think people are overreacting to this one . . . the union almost had to file a suit as a means of protest once it became so obvious that the the NFL likely violated the then-existing CBA in 2010.  Some are claiming that the real purpose of the suit is simply to make a statement to the NFL that future violations won't be passed over and to give the teams something to think about if they try a move like this again.  
    Posted by prolate0spheroid
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    I wont disagree with you, this is really starting to get out of hand, they are ruining the best game we have.
     
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    what union do you know of that is not a joke?

     
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    Just more s c u m bag lawyers making piles of money with useless lawsuits....welcome to the USA!!

     
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    As opposed to unofficially being a joke...
     
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    Yep, the employees telling the business owners how much of the business revenue have to be paid out to the employees in salary.  Wouldn't we all just love to be able to tell our employers that a certain percentage of their revenue HAS to be paid to us in salaries etc?  Only in sports!
     
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    Ok thats it...im officially buying the Directv Romanian Soccer League Package in the fall (it includes all away games of all teams except Transylvania FC)
     
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    "The filing of these claims is prohibited by the Collective Bargaining Agreement and separately by an agreement signed by the players' attorneys last August. The claims have absolutely no merit and we fully expect them to be dismissed."

    -- NFL spokesman Greg Aiello

    I'll translate this part:  "Na-nana- Na-nana-naaa...Ya gave up your legal right about any and all past wrongs when you decided that'cha wanted to play football again. So, na-nana, nananana...tough sh#t. Stay sweating on the football field, and just leave this sc#mb#g litigation business stuff up to us big boys in the sleeze-world of legal dream teams 30 lawyers deep for every single one of the multi-millionaires & billionaires involved here...'cause you're outta your league...Our only settlement now, or 1000 years from now, will be this:  na- nana  na-  nanana. This settlement offer may not be 'right'...but make noooo mistake whatsoever, It's DEFINATELY, the way of 'life'."

      
     
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