The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

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    The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    First off I agree Wilfork should be owed money for being a top nose tackle in the league. But I have one particular reason on why he can be replaced. Its the dilemna Think about the patriots DNA.
     
    They have one of the best offenses in the league. Maybe a WR or two short so far from being elite. debatable. With this offense we can get ahead in most of our games more often than not with brady and company. Teams playing us have abandoned the run in multiple games and rely on their quarterbacks to bring them back.

    Wilfork? Hes really good at stopping the run.  How many teams have beat us by running the ball? 80% of our loses were from teams quarterbacks not being hassled enough. Can you replace Wilfork? Of course you can. With this offense that patriots have - stopping the opposing passing game is more important than their running game.

    Sign Julius Peppers.
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    you make a valid point but there are a couple of points you overlook:

    1st: if we hope to return to being elite(we will), we will host some frigid snowy games in our home stadium. In these games running the ball will be most important and we have to be able to stop that.

    2nd: just because he doesn't get sacks, Wilfork is so valuable to establishing a pass rush because he occupies two blockers and frees up other around him to be left one on one or even free to the QB. The problem is the Pats don't have any fast, powerful pass rushers.

    3rd: Peppers will not be as good here because we don't play a 4-3 and he will be forced to learn a new position, OLB

    I hope that we resign Wilfork because god forbid he goes to Miami(which needs a NT) and wreaks havoc against us twice and maybe even 3 times a year. It would be a terrible sight :(
     
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    Why tie up any significant amount of cap in a run stuffer?  Who else does that?  How many teams are paying $7million a year on a defensive tackle?  Since when is that the most important position?  He's not even that good against the run:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXpM0mOA5k
     
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    His value  can not be seen in the box score, just like Seymour's. The value is in what he brings such as stopping the run and occupying multiple blockers. Our alternatives are horrendous. Brace couldnt even get on the field. He was one of the big disappointments of the season and waste of the 40th overall choice. Can you imagine how many other valuable players they could have had. sighhh
     
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    Why tie up any significant amount of cap in a run stuffer?  Who else does that?  How many teams are paying $7million a year on a defensive tackle?  Since when is that the most important position?  He's not even that good against the run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXpM0mOA5k
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    The Pats will put the franchise tag on him, if only because they don't want to see him go to another team for free.  However, if he were an unrestricted FA there would be A LOT of interest in him from other teams.  How many teams are now using the 3-4 defense and need a stud NT?  Miami, NYG/NYJ, Denver, Dallas, SD or GB come to mind.  Also, if you think the Pats wouldn't miss him, just think back to before 2004 when they tried to fill the NT position for years.  They were so desperate they had to trade for Ted Washington who was in the twilight of his career.  Why do you think guys like Casey Hampton and Jamal Williams have been with their teams so long?  It's because good NTs don't fall off the trees.
     
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    In Response to Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced... : The Pats will put the franchise tag on him, if only because they don't want to see him go to another team for free.  However, if he were an unrestricted FA there would be A LOT of interest in him from other teams.  How many teams are now using the 3-4 defense and need a stud NT?  Miami, NYG/NYJ, Denver, Dallas, SD or GB come to mind.  Also, if you think the Pats wouldn't miss him, just think back to before 2004 when they tried to fill the NT position for years.  They were so desperate they had to trade for Ted Washington who was in the twilight of his career.  Why do you think guys like Casey Hampton and Jamal Williams have been with their teams so long?  It's because good NTs don't fall off the trees.
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    "Why do you think guys like Casey Hampton and Jamal Williams have been with their teams so long?  It's because good NTs don't fall off the trees."

    could you imagine the crater that would create? lol
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    I am just saying that the patriots offense typically puts up more points than the opposing team. If thats the case, then opposing teams typically abandon the run more often than not to play catch up. A player thats a freak at stopping the run, like wilfork, becomes obsolete against the opposing quarterback who will throw for 35-45+ attempts.
     
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    I agree with  THEMIGHTYPATRIOTZ,
    No teams are paying that big money to a Nose. In all honesty this should not even be a discussion. BB will tag him this year and he will be traded next year. With that money you get quality LB and go from there.
    It will be interresting to see what happens but look at the past to see where its going
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    Hi Kyle.  Your arguement is very subjective.  Teams do abandon the run when they are behind but they have to get behind first.  If you can't stop the run it will be a long day.  Plus when the team gets in the red zone you have to plug up that middle.  You also make the assumption that we out score our opponents.  The Pats were in a lot of close games this year.  I don't think you would want this philosophy going into the playoffs.

    I know you're a big Peppers fan but he just wouldn't fit here.  The assignments are different and he comes with a big salary.  Something the Pats wouldn't put up with.  Peppers is far better off being with a team that plays the 4-3.  The best solution is to fix this thing threw the draft.

     
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    Like it or not. Who effectively replaces Wilfork ? It won't be Brace and Pryor still has a ways to go; so Belichick loses his two best D Linemen in less than a year (Seymour and Wilfork). Suh and Mc Coy will be gone by #22. Do people really think we have great pass rush and better run defense without Wilfork ? Peppers is not a 3-4 OLB and still is not as good as Ware (who the cowpokes locked up). Lose Fork and the D Line gets exposed as much as the LB corps and secondary was last year. Maybe the Pats draft Mount Cody, but there is still no certainty that he will play as well as fork.
     
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    "Maybe the Pats draft Mount Cody, but there is still no certainty that he will play as well as fork."

    There is a certainty that Cody will be way, way cheaper though.
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    ........and a fine job of stuffing the run he did in the Raven's game.  Everyone's replaceable. Don't be afraid we will be fine without the knee diving, eye poking whining fat @$$.

     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spXpM0mOA5k

    Addai ran into the endzone through the exact spot where Wilfork lined up - in the AFC Championship game with 1:00 to go when we were up by 3.  Wilfork holds his ground and the Colts have to kick a tying field goal, giving Brady 1:00 to get within field goal range ... with the Super Bowl on the line.

    And you guys want to break the bank for this guy?
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    How about a trade with the G-Men who have been loaded with DE's?   They need DT's and we need rush DE's.
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    sure, and he may get his chance after he's tagged
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    Yes, Wilfork can be replaced - but (so far) not by Brace. From what I recall, Brace got pushed around like a grocery cart on Black Friday.

    IF, we can find someone to take two bodies and stop the run, then, it would behoove the Patriots to shore up their pass rush, secondary, and a replacement for Welker.
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    I wonder if having BB as DC will make him think differently about Wilfork. 
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    Peppers had the same number of sacks (10) last year as Tully Banta-Cain, only for Peppers each sack cost over a million dollars. 

    Peppers was a non factor in the Superbowl vs. Pats as the Pats just ran right over him.

    I don't know why wannabe GM's are so enamored of him.

    If defensive tackles don't command big salaries, why did Haynesworth get a 100 million dollar contract over 7 years?

    Wilfork is a one-of-a-kind monster with quickness and character.  Sign him.
     
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    I'd rather have Wilfork than Peppers, anyday.  Enough with the Peppers talk, unless he comes dirt cheap, I don't want him.
     
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    Re: The reason why Wilfork can be replaced...

    If defensive tackles don't command big salaries, why did Haynesworth get a 100 million dollar contract over 7 years?

    Because of this guy:




    Wilfork is a one-of-a-kind monster with quickness and character.

    No, he's just a decent nose tackle who's been served plenty of:




     
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