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The Run Game

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    The Run Game

    Unless something changes, as in injury or some extreme circumstance, we should have a top 5  rushing attack in football this year. I do not mean the traditional sense of only rushing, but Vareen should be a 50 plus catch RB.

    Ridley and Vareen could be the best 1-2 punch in the league. I think Rid is a lock for 1,200 yards and 10 plus tds. I think Vareen will end up with over 1,100 total yards. With the receiving core being so young and new to the team and Gronk being injured, Vareen could be a focal point of the offense for the 1st few weeks. He has soft hands, break away speed, good agility and can run well enough between the tackles.

    With defense's committing to the running backs the pass catchers will see more single coverage or holes in the zone. Brady's completion % should be higher as last year was his worst in 7 years. at 63%

    I heard Jim Miller on Sirius say Brady has thrown 186 passes since dual practice with the Bucs started. 186 without an INT. Well tack on 12 more tonight.

    With an added dimension to our offense Brady will be shooting fish in a barrel. No more rush 4 drop 7. Play action will run rampant. Go Pats.

     
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    This has the making of a nice balanced offense...I just hope the playcalling doesn't become predictable with the subbing of players..doesn't it feel good having 5 RB that can catch the ball too?


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    Agree with all above, it will be interesting to see who gets that final roster spot or if they carry five?  I think it's also interesting Leo doesn't want them to become predictable and Babe wants them to run when it's tough, I think those two requests are one in the same.

     
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    So far, so good.  I'm especially pleased that through 2 preseason games Ridley hasn't used his spin move once.  Hopefully that has been lost for good.

     
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      Christopher Price @cpriceNFL

    Shane Vereen is averaging 8 yards every time he touches the ball this preseason. (7 carries 41 yds & 6 catches 64 yds). 13 touches-105 yds.

     
     
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    There was one glaring, in my opinion, change in the Pats' offensive philosophy in these first two pre-season games..   they RAN!!!  How surprised was everyone in the Philliy game the first series was all run and resulted in a TD that possession?  Did anyone think the Pats would drive 80 yards without the benefit of at least one pass play?  Next series, more passes.  Last night's game saw a fairly ballanced mix.  Looks like Vareen is going to be a head ache out of the backfield for opposing D's in the passing game and a beast for YAC.  When the first team for the Pats has been on the field these two games, has anyone felt it lost a step with Welker, Hern and Gronk gone?  Seems not so far.  A great sign!

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    We have better weapons to run, we have better weapons to pass or rather Tom has.  We've known we could pass since 2001, we haven't always had the means or willingness to do both.

     
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    We know the left side of the OL is nasty with Mankins and Solder, but imagine how nasty the right side would be with a healthy Cannon next to Vollmer....

    Zach "Don't call me 'Suddsy'" Sudfeld

     
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    Yeah they might not be top5 in straight rushing, though I certainly wouldn't be shocked if they were on the upper end of that group, but I agree, if you add in what Vereen is going to be able to do getting flexed out of the backfield in 11 packages and 2TE, I could see something like a team with the most "all-purpose" RB yards. 

    The triumverate of Ridley, Vereen, and Blount looks really, really good. I don't even have to mention it's the best thing they've had since Dillon (healthy) and Faulk, but I think as time wears on, you'll be able to measure it against Dill, et all, but others like Curtis Martin and Megget.

    Personally, I'd like to see more of Vereen in preseason. I love me some Ridley, but Vereen is more dynamic in that Curtis Martin type build. As you allude to he is a RB you can measure AP yards from. He had at least one bad interior run last night, but another several that were very good, and this is what bears watching with the kid. 

     

     



    I'd like to see Bolden and Blount each get another start, Vereen will be a home run hitting third down back/change of pace back, but we don't want him getting hurt either.  Ridley is more like Curtis Martin than Dillon in my eyes, solid at every facet but not an overwhelming runner like Dillon was; he or Bolden are interchangeable.  Blount will be an interesting watch on whether he makes it or not...

    With so much depth of talent, using a "run by committee approach" is a luxury we are lucky to have.

     
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    In response to agcsbill's comment:

    There was one glaring, in my opinion, change in the Pats' offensive philosophy in these first two pre-season games..   they RAN!!!  How surprised was everyone in the Philliy game the first series was all run and resulted in a TD that possession?  Did anyone think the Pats would drive 80 yards without the benefit of at least one pass play?  Next series, more passes.  Last night's game saw a fairly ballanced mix.  Looks like Vareen is going to be a head ache out of the backfield for opposing D's in the passing game and a beast for YAC.  When the first team for the Pats has been on the field these two games, has anyone felt it lost a step with Welker, Hern and Gronk gone?  Seems not so far.  A great sign!

    AGCSBill, just a fan havin' fun!!



    This is incorrect in theory. They ran against 2 defenses suspect to the run. They will be pass heavy against other teams. Each game will have its own plan with a halftime adjustment. If you want to make assumptions on how much they will run, dont look within, look at the opposing schedule

     
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    I think if the Oline and RBs are relatively healthy over the course of the year this is a top 3 run ning team. Ridley is a VERY good back with quickness and power; a guy who can run tough and also break off runs of 30, 40 yards or more. Vereen has some power for a guy with that kind of speed. He can take it inside or outside. And of course he is a real weapon downfield. Blount and Bolden add some solid play for both depth and to keep everyone fresh. 

    Block for this group and they will be a top 3 running team. And I do agree that being able to run when the running is tough is critical. I think this group and this line can do that. Not totally dominating but very good as well as dangerous.

     

     
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    I think we need to keep 4 TE's with Gronks injury woes. Gronk, Ballard, Hoomy(I like him a lot) and Suddfield. We are a 2 TE offense but still use 3 regularly. I think we realized the importance of having TE's after we went with 2 that year.

     

        







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    Belichick almost always keeps sixteen skill players on offense.  Right now I lean to this group if he sticks with the usual sixteen:

     

    QB

    1. Brady

    2. Mallet

     

    RB

    3. Ridley

    4. Vereen

    5. Washington

    6. Blount or Bolden

     

    TE

    7. Gronk

    8. Ballard

    9. Fells or Hoomanawanui

    10. Sudfeld

     

    WR

    11. Amendola

    12. Dobson

    13. Thompkins

    14. Boyce

    15. Edelman

    16. Slater

     

    If Gronk is on the PUP, then I think we keep all TEs listed above.  I think Bolden is likely a tough cut unless he shows more soon.  His hands might save him if he can prove a better receiver than Blount.  Develin is a wildcard, but I don't know who I'd cut to keep him--maybe either Fells or Hoomanawanui.  

     
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    Belichick almost always keeps sixteen skill players on offense.  Right now I lean to this group if he sticks with the usual sixteen:

     

    QB

    1. Brady

    2. Mallet

     

    RB

    3. Ridley

    4. Vereen

    5. Washington

    6. Blount or Bolden

     

    TE

    7. Gronk

    8. Ballard

    9. Fells or Hoomanawanui

    10. Sudfeld

     

    WR

    11. Amendola

    12. Dobson

    13. Thompkins

    14. Boyce

    15. Edelman

    16. Slater

     

    If Gronk is on the PUP, then I think we keep all TEs listed above.  I think Bolden is likely a tough cut unless he shows more soon.  His hands might save him if he can prove a better receiver than Blount.  Develin is a wildcard, but I don't know who I'd cut to keep him--maybe either Fells or Hoomanawanui.  

    Is this fantasy football? You talk about the O and dont even count the O line. Really?


    Just sayin - the O line is the heart of any O. You have a good one and you can play. You dont and it doesnt matter who else you have. 

     

     
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    Belichick almost always keeps sixteen skill players on offense.  Right now I lean to this group if he sticks with the usual sixteen:

     

    QB

    1. Brady

    2. Mallet

     

    RB

    3. Ridley

    4. Vereen

    5. Washington

    6. Blount or Bolden

     

    TE

    7. Gronk

    8. Ballard

    9. Fells or Hoomanawanui

    10. Sudfeld

     

    WR

    11. Amendola

    12. Dobson

    13. Thompkins

    14. Boyce

    15. Edelman

    16. Slater

     

    If Gronk is on the PUP, then I think we keep all TEs listed above.  I think Bolden is likely a tough cut unless he shows more soon.  His hands might save him if he can prove a better receiver than Blount.  Develin is a wildcard, but I don't know who I'd cut to keep him--maybe either Fells or Hoomanawanui.  

     

     

    Is this fantasy football? You talk about the O and dont even count the O line. Really?


    Just sayin - the O line is the heart of any O. You have a good one and you can play. You dont and it doesnt matter who else you have. 

     




    He ws talking about skill position players.

    Boldin can go to practice squad right? Yeah I think he would be a tough cut though.

     
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    In response to portfolio1's comment:

    In response to prolate0spheroid's comment:

     

     

    Belichick almost always keeps sixteen skill players on offense.  Right now I lean to this group if he sticks with the usual sixteen:

     

    QB

    1. Brady

    2. Mallet

     

    RB

    3. Ridley

    4. Vereen

    5. Washington

    6. Blount or Bolden

     

    TE

    7. Gronk

    8. Ballard

    9. Fells or Hoomanawanui

    10. Sudfeld

     

    WR

    11. Amendola

    12. Dobson

    13. Thompkins

    14. Boyce

    15. Edelman

    16. Slater

     

    If Gronk is on the PUP, then I think we keep all TEs listed above.  I think Bolden is likely a tough cut unless he shows more soon.  His hands might save him if he can prove a better receiver than Blount.  Develin is a wildcard, but I don't know who I'd cut to keep him--maybe either Fells or Hoomanawanui.  

     

     

    Is this fantasy football? You talk about the O and dont even count the O line. Really?


    Just sayin - the O line is the heart of any O. You have a good one and you can play. You dont and it doesnt matter who else you have. 

     



    Of course the O line is critical, but when BB decides how many RBs to keep he's going to be weighing them against other skill positions, not against the O linemen. 

     
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    Belichick almost always keeps sixteen skill players on offense.  Right now I lean to this group if he sticks with the usual sixteen:

     

    QB

    1. Brady

    2. Mallet

     

    RB

    3. Ridley

    4. Vereen

    5. Washington

    6. Blount or Bolden

     

    TE

    7. Gronk

    8. Ballard

    9. Fells or Hoomanawanui

    10. Sudfeld

     

    WR

    11. Amendola

    12. Dobson

    13. Thompkins

    14. Boyce

    15. Edelman

    16. Slater

     

    If Gronk is on the PUP, then I think we keep all TEs listed above.  I think Bolden is likely a tough cut unless he shows more soon.  His hands might save him if he can prove a better receiver than Blount.  Develin is a wildcard, but I don't know who I'd cut to keep him--maybe either Fells or Hoomanawanui.  

     

     

     

     

    Is this fantasy football? You talk about the O and dont even count the O line. Really?


    Just sayin - the O line is the heart of any O. You have a good one and you can play. You dont and it doesnt matter who else you have. 

     

     




    He ws talking about skill position players.

     

    Boldin can go to practice squad right? Yeah I think he would be a tough cut though.



    I think Bolden has one accrued season, so I think he's ineligible for the PS.  If you've got to stick with sixteen skill players, who would you cut to keep him (assuming Blount makes the roster)? Edelman, Washington, one of the TEs?  Maybe BB goes with seventeen skill players but he's gone above 16 only twice since he's been in NE (2000 and 2008).  He's dropped to 15 several times, but 16 is typical. 

     
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    Yeah they might not be top5 in straight rushing, though I certainly wouldn't be shocked if they were on the upper end of that group, but I agree, if you add in what Vereen is going to be able to do getting flexed out of the backfield in 11 packages and 2TE, I could see something like a team with the most "all-purpose" RB yards. 

    The triumverate of Ridley, Vereen, and Blount looks really, really good. I don't even have to mention it's the best thing they've had since Dillon (healthy) and Faulk, but I think as time wears on, you'll be able to measure it against Dill, et all, but others like Curtis Martin and Megget.

    Personally, I'd like to see more of Vereen in preseason. I love me some Ridley, but Vereen is more dynamic in that Curtis Martin type build. As you allude to he is a RB you can measure AP yards from. He had at least one bad interior run last night, but another several that were very good, and this is what bears watching with the kid. 

     

     

     



    I'd like to see Bolden and Blount each get another start, Vereen will be a home run hitting third down back/change of pace back, but we don't want him getting hurt either.  Ridley is more like Curtis Martin than Dillon in my eyes, solid at every facet but not an overwhelming runner like Dillon was; he or Bolden are interchangeable.  Blount will be an interesting watch on whether he makes it or not...

     

     

    With so much depth of talent, using a "run by committee approach" is a luxury we are lucky to have.

     



    Ridley is a lot bigger than Martin, and not nearly the receiving threat, though. He's pretty much straight ahead meat and potatoes runner in my eyes, and not the open field threat that Martin was. I could never see him hauling in the 45 or so passes a season that Martin did. He just doesn't have the torso flexibilty or instincts for that.

     

    Vereen could just be a change of pace guy, but I don't understand the "getting hurt" bit. He doesn't have a track record of injury, and is more than big enough to take every down hits. 

    He's a little bigger than Curtis Martin himself, and he had 3500 plus career carries. 

    I would like to see both of them out there ... but I think Vereen's ability to catch the ball, and make something happen in the open field make me think that a more even split would be warranted if he can show that he's not at a loss on between the tackles running. 

    I'm not impressed with Bolden, but I think Blount adds something dynamic here. It IS quite a committee!

     




    If Bolden is cut, what a waste. The kid will be immediately scooped up and likely help a team out big time. My fear is the Jets will take him with their RB group so weak and injury prone.

     

    Also, Curtis Martin was NEVER a pass receiver out of the backfield. Ever. I have no idea why anyone would say that.

    BB should keep 5 RBs and 3 TEs.    2 QBs. If they can stash Kline on the PS as a Guard/C type, they can just carry the 7 OL and keep the 5 RBs.  

    NE would have the best RB group in the NFL by a longshot. Unless, of course, BB cuts Leon Washington an RB who has shown nothing on kick offs so far.  I'd rather keep Bolden than Leon Washington.

    Bolden hasn't impressed you because he's barely played.  That's how deep the RB group is.



    Ding ding ding!!!

    We have a winner!!! The dumbest post of all time goes to Rusty!! Come on up here rusty and collect your years supply of frozen yogurt.

    Curtis Martin developed into one of the best receiving backs in the NFL during his second season. Aside from Marshall Faulk and Larry Centers, there's not a guy who I'd trust more catching the ball. The guy never had to be taken off the field, he could pass block like a guard and run routes like a receiver. Do you even watch football?

    Did I miss something in your post? Please tell me that even you couldn't be so wrong about something.

     
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    Is a monster, and the best in the league




     
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    I think Vereen might be soft.

     
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    That was my point earlier. Unless they have some other plan for KR, I don't see how Bolden makes this roster if cut downs were today.

     

     

    Given that, there is time left and Blount is a total headcase. He could do anything to sacrifice the position he has himself in line for. There is no question he has looked better than Bolden, but he has put on a show before only to turn into sulky Blount afterward. 

    To be frank, given your list, if they were to carry a fifth RB at the expense elswhere, I'd rather it be a FB like Develin. He at least adds the dimension of running a proper I, wing, or pro-set formation, whereas Bolden would just be redundant and less skilled than the rest.

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    I tend to agree. Develin is a different type of player than anyone else they have (though Hoo actually plays sort of like a FB, though I don't think I've seen him used as a runner).  

    They did give Bolden a few snaps on the first two series.  Mostly what I remember were a few two-back formations with Bolden and Vereen flanking Brady in the shotgun and both going out for passes.  One of these plays, at least, went for a nice gain on a pass to Vereen.  Bolden does catch better than Ridley and (I believe) better than Blount, so if you're going to send two backs out in passing patterns, Bolden and Vereen is probably the best combo.  But it was Vereen who got the ball. I think right now Bolden's opportunity is to show he can be a better receiver than Blount while being a similar running threat.  But so far, he hasn't really demonstrated the productivity in either the running or the passing game to displace Blount I don't think. 

     

     

     
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    I have the same questions about Washington--he just doesn't do much other than return kick offs, but I agree kick returner is a key role that needs to improve.  They did try Washington as a runner and punt returner in the first game, but seemed to abandon that this game (at least if I recall correctly).  The fact that they keep using Washington almost exclusively on KO returns, though, makes me think BB has decided to keep Washington as a specialist, even though he has limited versatility. 

    Edelman is another guy who I thought could be at risk, but he's proven his value as a punt returner and is looking okay as a receiver too, so I think he sticks as well.  Add Slater and that's three of the skill players wha are there primarily because of their special teams skills.  Maybe that's the argument for going to 17 skill players this year?

     

     

     

     
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    Why do we list Slater as a WR, he's a specialist same as LS, K and P?

    He's useless as a WR. I say cut him loose and use that spot on someone who can actually play real football (like a 5th RB, a FB like Develin or a real WR), but it seems he's like Ghost, a sacred cow.

    If you feel differently, answer this: is the difference he makes on STs vs a replacement, enough to justify cutting Bolden or someone else who might be a real football player? I honestly don't know how you can come up with a "yes" to that, but maybe...

     

     

     
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