YOU: "Believe it or not, there have been people out there who've given up on the Pats chances at a Super Bowl title this season. And you know what? Many of these dimwits will point to the second half of the Jets game and sulk.
Oh, gee, are you trying to insult me by lumping me in with this group? If so, you really can't be very bright. I haven't said any such thing about the Pats, but you are likely interpreting my comments because you cannot grasp what I actually did write."
ME: No, you are again assuming incorrectly, sir. I wasn't lumping you into any group with those comments. You're taking things personal and missing the point here. I can tell you're bright, but I can also tell that you are stubborn.
YOU: "Hey, do you agree that as a fan, giving up on your team is the worst thing you can do?
No, I don't agree with that. Someone posted earlier that the worst thing you could do involved abduction and murder and a whole host of other activities. I could care less who you root for and why. Are you one of those people who think that your rooting for a team imbues some magic towards helping them play better or even win?"
ME: As a fan, (for what being a fan of a football team entails in todays day and age), committing federal offenses such as murder are required? I didn't think so. Following a week 2 loss to the Jets and a poor second half performance by Tom Brady, would you agree that as a fan, giving up is the ultimate show of weakness? If you want to say that I'm judging, that's where I'm judging. Reading the very excited thread titles and sifting through the responses after a terrible loss to the Jets. Hearing the voices of different sports regions talking in the media, embellishing on a week-to-week basis. Keep the context here, I know the temptation is hard to resist. Giving up on a bunch of games is pretty much the worst attitude you can set yourself up with as a fan. And I do feel that I have an impact as a fan, as small as that impact may be.
YOU: "Thanks for telling me what my direction was with this thread. You know me better than I do apparently.
<sigh> I didn't tell you what direction the thread was going. I told you changed your mind in the middle of the whole thing to add a different meaning and context."
ME: Alright, you have made these claims, all of which I can tell you are completely false:
- "you are trying to convince yourself not to lose hope by telling others what to do"
- "You are projecting your fears and insecurities onto others."
- "You are basically talking out loud to convince calm yourself down."
- "You are only trying to say that people should be more like you."
Judging by those comments, I'd say you must know me better than I do. I haven't changed the meaning of this thread; you have tried to.
I also recommend you reread the "direction" comment by me to you, "Thanks for telling me what my direction was with this thread." Swing and a miss, you've missed my intentions in more than one way already.
YOU: "This thread, all this is, is to enlighten people on the idea that jumping the gun after every game is silly.
Oh, my. Now you are "enlightening" people. You have gone from simply judgmental straight into godhood. Good for you. But please tell me how telling someone what they should think is enlightening?"
ME: Honestly, the only judgmental characters in this thread have been the detractors. Here you are going off about me using the word "enlighten" and you have either missed or chosen to ignore everything that proceeded the word "enlighten". You have consistently targeted me in this argument with finely misconstrued information. By sharing my voice, others can hear it and take from it what they wish. My words that started this thread were words of encouragement towards achieving a better, more wholesome fan experience. How? I'm suggesting that we all give each game situation a chance to play out before getting all fussed up about it all in the beginning. There has become a cycle of worrying and doubt and "settling" that I feel opposes or spoils the traditional essence of fandom. So, on a bulletin board/forum, why not tell others what I think? Others seemed to have gotten all of that. In fact, I think we can agree on a lot of things, you and I. Right now, you're more concerned with my supposed self-righteous ramblings though.
YOU: "And I understood the indirect nature of your comment at the end of your last post. That's why I found it interesting then, that you think you're allowed to throw your thoughts at other people while somehow getting on me for doing the same thing.
Apparently you didn't. I only said that the ones I think most likely to quit are the ones who were like you. It isn't a judgment. It isn't a commandment. It is an observation. You seem to not understand the difference."
ME: Judgments can easily be drawn from observations. You presented a judgement in the form of an observation and then told me as much by saying it was indirectly directed at me and those alike.
"It is the ones who keep bringing up about others but really sound like they are trying to convince themselves are the ones I think might stop.
No, this comment was indirectly pointed at you, but you didn't get it."
Few problems, 1.) I got it, that's why I made the accusation of you being a hypocrite or at least sounding hypocritical. 2.) I still get it, but the back and forth is getting old right now and will hopefully end in the next couple of posts. 3.) I agree that there are people who try to disassociate themselves as a way of coping with stress, doubt, or low self-esteem. We have all done that at one point or another, but I do not respond that way with the Patriots by any means.