Re: These are the facts
posted at 1/7/2013 5:43 AM EST
In response to ccnsd's comment:
In response to FrnkBnhm's comment:
In response to ccnsd's comment:
Here is a list of other Qb's whose postseason QBR is less (common because the competition is usually better) then their regular season QBR.These are all Hall of Famers or future hall of famers:
Steve Young, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Otto Graham (by more than 20 points), Dan Marino, Roger Staubach, Len Dawson, John Elway, Unitas, Dan Fouts etc.
There are some QBs whose rating does go up. Bart Star's is up more than 20 points in the post season. He is probably the greatest playoff QB ever. We still know this is a joke because Mark Sanchez has one of the best post season QB ratings ever (the 6th best ever). so yes Frnk you are acting like a troll.
I will always maintain that Brady's two Super Bowl losses will forever keep him from passing Montana as the greatest QB of all time. 4-0 in the Super Bowl with 11 TDs and 0 picks will keep Montana in that seat until some one repeats that, but does it one better.
True that most QBs ratings go down in the playoffs. My point was that Brady's was consistent early in his career, but over the past six season his playoffs rating is 20 points lower than his regular season.
I still think Brady is an elite QB in the modern NFL. I still think he is one of the best ever to play the position. My point is that putting up signicantly lower numbers in the playoffs than the regular season is a large part of the reason this team has not hoisted the Lombardi trophy since 2005.
If Welker catches that pass last year Brady most likely wins another super bowl MVP (Woodhead seems to be the only other choice) despite not playing a great game. If Merriweather or Samuel (much harder chance) catches the interception in the Giants final drive Brady probably wins another MVP without really playing a great game. Your numbers show Brady plays the same as he always did in the playoffs but they no longer win super bowls, why do you think that is? I'll tell you why i think it is because they no longer have a great defense. They won super bowls because of the defense primarily except for the one against Carolina.
Ditto. All those numbers tell me is that a.) you draw weaker defenses in the regular season, and b.) if high 80s was enough to win 14-15 games per season and three Superbowls in the early part of the decade ... and it isn't now ... then something else has changed
... which is obvious to anyone with eyes ... the defense has been a shell of what it was before.
This is why *defense* wins championships. Look at the Saints ... they won a SB. But they did it scoring just 17 points on their own as an offense.
They got a short field from a brilliant special teams play and a pick six.
Offenses always score less in the playoffs because great defenses practically populate the field. If you want to know, roughly, what you can expect against the playoff field, then average what the offense scored per game against the best defenses they played. Their average score against scrubs is meaningless.
They should average something in the mid-20s across a playoff field, with a low in the high teens and a high in the low thirties given how they've performed against *plus* defenses this season.
Two things: that is a *phenomenal* scoring range against plus defenses, which typically allow an average in the teens. When your low is the league average, your offense is special. Two, that is almost exactly what the scoring spread was last season.
Also of note: New England went 4-4 against plus defenses. So taking it as a given that they are going to roll on playoff opponents is just naive. You can also look at that as a barometer of what to expect. Unfortunately.
NE struggles against good defenses. Why? Their offense slows down, and their defense hasn't been able to stop mediocre offenses like Baltimore or NY in the past.
Here is hoping the defense comes to play, unlike last postseason. They are going to need it, because the offense isn't going to run the table scoring 30 a game.