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    How is me mocking what moron Jets fans do all the time me being "bludgeoned" or "deflecting".

    What you just typed, Rico, is an all time backpedal.

    Enjoy!



    How about because you denied starting topics about the Jets and then I threw your obsession in your face, moron.  BLUDGEONED AGAIN!



    Yep. And that was to direct you off trolling one of our threads, which worked like clockwork.

    We will ALWAYS mock the Jets here when we see fit as Pats fans. 

    ALWAYS.

    It's none of your concern nor is it your position to tell PAts fans who to make fun of around the NFL.  It's not our fault your laughingstock franchise is so freaking entertaining.

     



    Oh, Queenie, you are so tricky with your tactics to "direct trolls".  It's just not as funny as when I set you up over and over again with bait to bring out the spelling and grammar police then I point out your every error for the next day to make you look like an idiot.  Now, that's good stuff.



    Oh, yes. The grammar bait. So special, Rico. So special. lmao

    Jets will miss the playoffs yet again. Enjoy!



    C'mon man. You post double what the entire board does when it comes to the Jets. Your usually wrong on what you say about them as well.

    And please clarify, do you mean Jones matched Richardsons production meaning stats? Or was Jones as good as Richardson this year? Because you cant be serious. Whats next, Vellano was as good as Wkerson?



    Jones was not a top 15 pick, so no I don't think Jones is as good. I said the production was on par in games played, which it was.

    I would be very curious to see what Jones would do Vince on one side or a veteran like that.

    Very impressive rookie year.

    As for the Jets thing, you are obsessed with the Jets and constantly post things every year about them. It's usually some kind of a "Jets are coming, folks!   Warnings are out!"

    lol

    You just did it this past week with Schaub, SPikes and Edelman all set to join the Jets with TJ Ward. You do it all the time.

     



    That was my first Jets comment since before Xmas.

    Jones wont make the team if Vince and Kelly return



    Care to wager on that?  We've been missing depth there since Mike Wright went down in 2010.

    You don't toss a guy with a high motor like that who takes the coaching after 1 year.

    Same parameters.   Accept?


    Sure accept. Parameters;

    Vince and Kelly return

    Siligia returns

    Armstead healthy

     
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    Vw is a head scratcher. Do we wait and see how he rehabs? Do we gamble on his health and extend him(what if he just can't get his 360 pound frame on that achilles ever again? ) We do need the cap space and certainly can't let him play at 12 million...we might just cut him and risk resigning him later?

     




     

    Before the injury Vince played in 4-games and accumulated 4-Tackles and 5-assists for a whopping average of 2-tackles combined per game. Unless we expect VW to be better after his rehab than he was before he got hurt, IT IS TIME to move on as he wasn't worth the money as a player on the field before he tore it. 66% of the players who suffer an achillies never make it back. Vince is 33-yrs old, 320lbs!!! IF he gets back and IF he is willing to make it a rediculously team friendly restructuring of his deal, then maybe keep him for short term depth. Ideally, Vince remains on the team as a coach and we are able to access his great leadership still. Otherwise, THANKS FOR THE GREAT MEMORIES VINCE, WE LOVE YOU!!! Unfortunately, we have seen the last of the VW from the good ole' days.



    He sprained his ankle in Week 1 early in the game in Buffalo, which is why he was being pulled on and off. He wasn't sure if he could go or not. People called it "managing"his reps and it was Week 1. lol

    No, he had an ankle injury.

    He ended up on the injury report officially by Week 3.  The Achilles came in Week 4.

    I am not sure if the ankle weakness is tied to the Achilles, but let's not confuse a sprained ankle, low or high, for a large man like that with him somehow losing his skills or technique all of a sudden.

    We've just been spoiled with his incredible durability.

     




    Great point. So, if an ankle sprain affected him this way at 32, can anyone imagine how a torn achillies will affect him at teh age of 33? OH, lets not forget that his conditioning and eating habits would have ahd to dramatically change for this 320ib man to simply maintain 320ibs with his inability to do any REAL cardio conditioning now. Its an uphill climb for a 350lb man. NO WAY HE IS EVER A FACTOR AGAIN. But, I could be wrong...........

     
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    Vw is a head scratcher. Do we wait and see how he rehabs? Do we gamble on his health and extend him(what if he just can't get his 360 pound frame on that achilles ever again? ) We do need the cap space and certainly can't let him play at 12 million...we might just cut him and risk resigning him later?



    I don't think it's a headscratcher. I think each side will openly communicate, the doctors will give a projection of his future, and the decision will be made from there.

    They probably already have a basic agreement in place, whatever it is.  I don't get why this is so confusing. He's not going anywhere else and he's not in a position of leverage.



    Yes, a basic agreement.  One where BB pays Vince whatever he is guaranteed after he cuts him for being old, fat and handicapped.  Jets NT in 2013 was better than Vince was in 2012.



    No one cares about the god awful Jets.



    You do.  In fact, you start topics about the Jets over and over again. YOu obsess over the idea that the Jets may want more than one QB on their roster in 2014.   Bwahahahahahaha!  Bludgeoned again.  Ouch.  



    No I don't. That's RKarp or My Hurl.

    We know you're so easily impressed with any dodpe who wears green and white, to the point you automatically think he's the best player anywhere in the league, because that is what you idiots have done.

    Whether it be Namath, the "Sack Exchange", Curtis Martin, Chrebet, Mo Lewis, Pennington, Sanchez, you name it....Stick any player in a Jets uni and somehow, magically, they're the best player in the league at that position.

    bawhahah

    awabahah

    So enjoyable to make fun of from afar.



    Yes, Queenie, like that time I called Arrrington "the best slot corner in the NFL"  or when I claimed that McCourty was better than Revis.  I am known for claiming that every player on a bad D is great and every player on a good D blows..... or is that you?  Yeah, it's you.  You freakin idiot.

    But for arguments sake, the Jets had the 5th best NT in pro football in 2013.   Plus, they had the "bust"  DROY.  Suck it, Queenie.



    Never said Arrington was the best at anything. I said he's very good and one of the better slot CBs in the AFC.   This is after moron Pats fans run around not realizing how vital a slot CB is in this game and judging his performance in that role.

    No one cares where your mystery NT ranks in the NFL when your D is that crappy overall in a passing league.

    Your team is completely outdated in terms of how it is built and your anger about that fact is delicious.

    Milliner is a bust, yes.

    Chris Jones's production matched Richardson's. We've been over this. The NY media is infamous for giving awards to undeserving people. Kiko Alonso was clearly the DROY. He had the award wrapped up by November just like Kuechly had it wrapped up by then for Carolina last year.

    Infamous. Brett Favre to the Pro Bowl in 2008 with media assistance, Derek Jeter with AWFUL range somehow winning gold gloves as he got older since he never had any. Revis a  HOFer.  You know, stuff like that. Completely awkward for the rest of the country to watch.

    LMAO



    Yes, Queenie, Chris Jones "matched" Sheldon's year...... bwahahahahahahahaha!  We sure have been over it. That's when I caught you lying again and bludgeoned you with the facts. You are a lying LOOOOOOOO SIR!



    Jones had more sacks and the tackles were the same for per game production.

    Enjoy the facts and embarrassment of being wrong again!

     



    Oh, Queenie, you're such a tool.  Why do you want so badly to be bludgeoned over and over.  First, are you comparing stats of two players playing different positions in different defenses (Sheldon plays DT/DE, Chris jnes plays 'push into the guy in front of me and lose the game for my team)?  Oh my.  Then again, aren't you the idiot that claimed some 4th string DB picked up late in the season had a "Better playoff performance" than Tom Brady who had 8 TD, 4 picks and a 105 rating in the 2011 playoffs?   Yes you are!  But I digress.  

    Once again, Queenie claiming that the players on an awful run D are better than the players on a great one.  Pathetic.   Sheldon was the DROY, Chris Jones will be out of the NFL in a year.  Deal with it.

     
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    How is me mocking what moron Jets fans do all the time me being "bludgeoned" or "deflecting".

    What you just typed, Rico, is an all time backpedal.

    Enjoy!



    How about because you denied starting topics about the Jets and then I threw your obsession in your face, moron.  BLUDGEONED AGAIN!



    Yep. And that was to direct you off trolling one of our threads, which worked like clockwork.

    We will ALWAYS mock the Jets here when we see fit as Pats fans. 

    ALWAYS.

    It's none of your concern nor is it your position to tell PAts fans who to make fun of around the NFL.  It's not our fault your laughingstock franchise is so freaking entertaining.

     



    Oh, Queenie, you are so tricky with your tactics to "direct trolls".  It's just not as funny as when I set you up over and over again with bait to bring out the spelling and grammar police then I point out your every error for the next day to make you look like an idiot.  Now, that's good stuff.



    Oh, yes. The grammar bait. So special, Rico. So special. lmao

    Jets will miss the playoffs yet again. Enjoy!



    C'mon man. You post double what the entire board does when it comes to the Jets. Your usually wrong on what you say about them as well.

    And please clarify, do you mean Jones matched Richardsons production meaning stats? Or was Jones as good as Richardson this year? Because you cant be serious. Whats next, Vellano was as good as Wkerson?



    Jones was not a top 15 pick, so no I don't think Jones is as good. I said the production was on par in games played, which it was.

    I would be very curious to see what Jones would do Vince on one side or a veteran like that.

    Very impressive rookie year.

    As for the Jets thing, you are obsessed with the Jets and constantly post things every year about them. It's usually some kind of a "Jets are coming, folks!   Warnings are out!"

    lol

    You just did it this past week with Schaub, SPikes and Edelman all set to join the Jets with TJ Ward. You do it all the time.

     



    That was my first Jets comment since before Xmas.

    Jones wont make the team if Vince and Kelly return



    Care to wager on that?  We've been missing depth there since Mike Wright went down in 2010.

    You don't toss a guy with a high motor like that who takes the coaching after 1 year.

    Same parameters.   Accept?


    Sure accept. Parameters;

    Vince and Kelly return

    Siligia returns

    Armstead healthy



    No. See, no you're changing the bet again. You said Kelly and Wilfork, which is what I am responding to, challenging you in the bet.

    You're such a gutless puszy.  Then again, after losing 3 bets to me, you're probably a bit gunshy.

     




    We are 1-1. 

    Do u accpt my bet or not big man?

     
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    Vw is a head scratcher. Do we wait and see how he rehabs? Do we gamble on his health and extend him(what if he just can't get his 360 pound frame on that achilles ever again? ) We do need the cap space and certainly can't let him play at 12 million...we might just cut him and risk resigning him later?

     




     

    Before the injury Vince played in 4-games and accumulated 4-Tackles and 5-assists for a whopping average of 2-tackles combined per game. Unless we expect VW to be better after his rehab than he was before he got hurt, IT IS TIME to move on as he wasn't worth the money as a player on the field before he tore it. 66% of the players who suffer an achillies never make it back. Vince is 33-yrs old, 320lbs!!! IF he gets back and IF he is willing to make it a rediculously team friendly restructuring of his deal, then maybe keep him for short term depth. Ideally, Vince remains on the team as a coach and we are able to access his great leadership still. Otherwise, THANKS FOR THE GREAT MEMORIES VINCE, WE LOVE YOU!!! Unfortunately, we have seen the last of the VW from the good ole' days.



    He sprained his ankle in Week 1 early in the game in Buffalo, which is why he was being pulled on and off. He wasn't sure if he could go or not. People called it "managing"his reps and it was Week 1. lol

    No, he had an ankle injury.

    He ended up on the injury report officially by Week 3.  The Achilles came in Week 4.

    I am not sure if the ankle weakness is tied to the Achilles, but let's not confuse a sprained ankle, low or high, for a large man like that with him somehow losing his skills or technique all of a sudden.

    We've just been spoiled with his incredible durability.

     




    Great point. So, if an ankle sprain affected him this way at 32, can anyone imagine how a torn achillies will affect him at teh age of 33? OH, lets not forget that his conditioning and eating habits would have ahd to dramatically change for this 320ib man to simply maintain 320ibs with his inability to do any REAL cardio conditioning now. Its an uphill climb for a 350lb man. NO WAY HE IS EVER A FACTOR AGAIN. But, I could be wrong...........



    I think you are under-estimating the person.  You can't act like it's a fact or given he won't make it back and be used less and still be effective, even if it's only 1 or 2 downs or vs run based teams, or in short yardage scenarios.

    Heck, he might even be better in some ways used less.

    Finally, I don't see a difference between age 32 or 33. It's a number. We get it. He's on the backside of his career.

     




    No matter how much the man wants it, there comes a time when physics, science, and nature take over and make it both unrealistic and basically impossible. 33 yr old, 320+lb men who are pushing against other 300+lb men and are putting around 600+lbs of pressure against a rehabbing tendon that was torn is not about the will and desire of the man as much as it is about age and healing ability. Not a fact, but simply the law of averages for younger men with 66% not coming back after the same injury. Possible??? Maybe.......realisitic? NO WAY IN HELL.

     
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    Yep, we will know the fate of Vince, Gregory, Wilson, Connolly, Kelly on whether they will be here or not and we will see if Mankins & mayo get restructured and if McCourty will get an extension.

    any football activity excites me at this point with the sports world being relatively dull



    my question is when does Bellichick call Rusty to get his input and guidance



    All Rusty is going to say over and over again is:  " Get rid of Tom Brady NOW!!!".

     
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    How is me mocking what moron Jets fans do all the time me being "bludgeoned" or "deflecting".

    What you just typed, Rico, is an all time backpedal.

    Enjoy!



    How about because you denied starting topics about the Jets and then I threw your obsession in your face, moron.  BLUDGEONED AGAIN!



    Yep. And that was to direct you off trolling one of our threads, which worked like clockwork.

    We will ALWAYS mock the Jets here when we see fit as Pats fans. 

    ALWAYS.

    It's none of your concern nor is it your position to tell PAts fans who to make fun of around the NFL.  It's not our fault your laughingstock franchise is so freaking entertaining.

     



    Oh, Queenie, you are so tricky with your tactics to "direct trolls".  It's just not as funny as when I set you up over and over again with bait to bring out the spelling and grammar police then I point out your every error for the next day to make you look like an idiot.  Now, that's good stuff.



    Oh, yes. The grammar bait. So special, Rico. So special. lmao

    Jets will miss the playoffs yet again. Enjoy!



    C'mon man. You post double what the entire board does when it comes to the Jets. Your usually wrong on what you say about them as well.

    And please clarify, do you mean Jones matched Richardsons production meaning stats? Or was Jones as good as Richardson this year? Because you cant be serious. Whats next, Vellano was as good as Wkerson?



    Jones was not a top 15 pick, so no I don't think Jones is as good. I said the production was on par in games played, which it was.

    I would be very curious to see what Jones would do Vince on one side or a veteran like that.

    Very impressive rookie year.

    As for the Jets thing, you are obsessed with the Jets and constantly post things every year about them. It's usually some kind of a "Jets are coming, folks!   Warnings are out!"

    lol

    You just did it this past week with Schaub, SPikes and Edelman all set to join the Jets with TJ Ward. You do it all the time.

     



    That was my first Jets comment since before Xmas.

    Jones wont make the team if Vince and Kelly return



    Care to wager on that?  We've been missing depth there since Mike Wright went down in 2010.

    You don't toss a guy with a high motor like that who takes the coaching after 1 year.

    Same parameters.   Accept?


    Sure accept. Parameters;

    Vince and Kelly return

    Siligia returns

    Armstead healthy



    No. See, no you're changing the bet again. You said Kelly and Wilfork, which is what I am responding to, challenging you in the bet.

    You're such a gutless puszy.  Then again, after losing 3 bets to me, you're probably a bit gunshy.

     




    We are 1-1. 

    Do u accpt my bet or not big man?



    No, no.  I am 2-0 officially, 3-0 (unofficially, and that is  me being nice) after your premise in my Baltimore game 35+ pass thread this year showed you taking me on in that bet, but being a puszy there, too.

    Everyone saw it, and if I need to bump it, I will.  You chimed in on that thread saying "Brady will throw for more than 35 times" specifically to be a troll, then you didn't back yourself.

    Last time, wussbag:

    I was responding to your premise that Chris Jones will not make the team if Vince and Kelly make the team.  So, I responded to that premise with a wager.

    You can't then start adding contingencies after that to back away from your premise.

    Everyone sees you as a pansy in these cases, so now is a chance to not be seen as one.

     



    I laid out my parameters. Yes or no?

     

     
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    Vw is a head scratcher. Do we wait and see how he rehabs? Do we gamble on his health and extend him(what if he just can't get his 360 pound frame on that achilles ever again? ) We do need the cap space and certainly can't let him play at 12 million...we might just cut him and risk resigning him later?

     




     

    Before the injury Vince played in 4-games and accumulated 4-Tackles and 5-assists for a whopping average of 2-tackles combined per game. Unless we expect VW to be better after his rehab than he was before he got hurt, IT IS TIME to move on as he wasn't worth the money as a player on the field before he tore it. 66% of the players who suffer an achillies never make it back. Vince is 33-yrs old, 320lbs!!! IF he gets back and IF he is willing to make it a rediculously team friendly restructuring of his deal, then maybe keep him for short term depth. Ideally, Vince remains on the team as a coach and we are able to access his great leadership still. Otherwise, THANKS FOR THE GREAT MEMORIES VINCE, WE LOVE YOU!!! Unfortunately, we have seen the last of the VW from the good ole' days.



    He sprained his ankle in Week 1 early in the game in Buffalo, which is why he was being pulled on and off. He wasn't sure if he could go or not. People called it "managing"his reps and it was Week 1. lol

    No, he had an ankle injury.

    He ended up on the injury report officially by Week 3.  The Achilles came in Week 4.

    I am not sure if the ankle weakness is tied to the Achilles, but let's not confuse a sprained ankle, low or high, for a large man like that with him somehow losing his skills or technique all of a sudden.

    We've just been spoiled with his incredible durability.

     




    Great point. So, if an ankle sprain affected him this way at 32, can anyone imagine how a torn achillies will affect him at teh age of 33? OH, lets not forget that his conditioning and eating habits would have ahd to dramatically change for this 320ib man to simply maintain 320ibs with his inability to do any REAL cardio conditioning now. Its an uphill climb for a 350lb man. NO WAY HE IS EVER A FACTOR AGAIN. But, I could be wrong...........



    I think you are under-estimating the person.  You can't act like it's a fact or given he won't make it back and be used less and still be effective, even if it's only 1 or 2 downs or vs run based teams, or in short yardage scenarios.

    Heck, he might even be better in some ways used less.

    Finally, I don't see a difference between age 32 or 33. It's a number. We get it. He's on the backside of his career.

     




    No matter how much the man wants it, there comes a time when physics, science, and nature take over and make it both unrealistic and basically impossible. 33 yr old, 320+lb men who are pushing against other 300+lb men and are putting around 600+lbs of pressure against a rehabbing tendon that was torn is not about the will and desire of the man as amuch as it is about age and healing ability. Not a fact, but simply the law of averages for younger men with 66% not coming back after the same injury. Possible??? Maybe.......realisitic? NO WAY IN HELL.



    Depends on the degree of the tear. Also, medicine these days is an amazing thing.

    We will soon find out, Mr. Negative.




    Not being negative. Being realistic knowing the facts of the situation. VW was already slipping before the injury. VW does not get better at 33 after this. Are you saying he does, Mr. Positive?

     
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    Child-like bickering aside...

    I think Vince will be willing to take a pay cut, I just hope it will be something substantial. A 6 mil pay cut should be ideal.



    Isn't it amazing how just about EVERY discussion goes this route?  No one can simply give an opinion, know some will disagree, respond with more points to support your opinion or respectfully counter (without name-calling), agree to disagree and move on.  Someone here always wants to brag "their's is "bigger than yours"!

     
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    My two cents:

    I can see VW restructuring acknowledging his possible decline in effectiveness with the achilles injury.  He is is better than most and can be an effective leader on the field.  He clogs the middle on run while we are not expecting him to be a pass rusher.

    Edelman proved his worth as a better replacement than Amendola for Welker.  He also is an effective punt returner which Amendola is not.  It is all a matter of how much he wants from the Pats.  Does he give them the hometown discount or not.  Also, if Amendola is let go, some money for a stretch the field WR to replace him.

    I beleive Talib is back because until he came to the Pats, he was a wild card. In this place he found happiness and can still earn darn good money without the need for a monster contract.

     
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    Time to get ready for life after Vince.  Who do we put there?

     
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    You don't get to dictate here, Bustchise.



    Yes, Queenie, everyone is bustchise.  The brilliant personality changing bustchise.  Oh, how's I'd love to meet the genius named bustchise that you are so obsessed with.

     
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    Vw is a head scratcher. Do we wait and see how he rehabs? Do we gamble on his health and extend him(what if he just can't get his 360 pound frame on that achilles ever again? ) We do need the cap space and certainly can't let him play at 12 million...we might just cut him and risk resigning him later?

     

     

     




     

     

     

    Before the injury Vince played in 4-games and accumulated 4-Tackles and 5-assists for a whopping average of 2-tackles combined per game. Unless we expect VW to be better after his rehab than he was before he got hurt, IT IS TIME to move on as he wasn't worth the money as a player on the field before he tore it. 66% of the players who suffer an achillies never make it back. Vince is 33-yrs old, 320lbs!!! IF he gets back and IF he is willing to make it a rediculously team friendly restructuring of his deal, then maybe keep him for short term depth. Ideally, Vince remains on the team as a coach and we are able to access his great leadership still. Otherwise, THANKS FOR THE GREAT MEMORIES VINCE, WE LOVE YOU!!! Unfortunately, we have seen the last of the VW from the good ole' days.



    He sprained his ankle in Week 1 early in the game in Buffalo, which is why he was being pulled on and off. He wasn't sure if he could go or not. People called it "managing"his reps and it was Week 1. lol

    No, he had an ankle injury.

    He ended up on the injury report officially by Week 3.  The Achilles came in Week 4.

    I am not sure if the ankle weakness is tied to the Achilles, but let's not confuse a sprained ankle, low or high, for a large man like that with him somehow losing his skills or technique all of a sudden.

    We've just been spoiled with his incredible durability.

     




    Great point. So, if an ankle sprain affected him this way at 32, can anyone imagine how a torn achillies will affect him at teh age of 33? OH, lets not forget that his conditioning and eating habits would have ahd to dramatically change for this 320ib man to simply maintain 320ibs with his inability to do any REAL cardio conditioning now. Its an uphill climb for a 350lb man. NO WAY HE IS EVER A FACTOR AGAIN. But, I could be wrong...........



    I think you are under-estimating the person.  You can't act like it's a fact or given he won't make it back and be used less and still be effective, even if it's only 1 or 2 downs or vs run based teams, or in short yardage scenarios.

    Heck, he might even be better in some ways used less.

    Finally, I don't see a difference between age 32 or 33. It's a number. We get it. He's on the backside of his career.

     




    No matter how much the man wants it, there comes a time when physics, science, and nature take over and make it both unrealistic and basically impossible. 33 yr old, 320+lb men who are pushing against other 300+lb men and are putting around 600+lbs of pressure against a rehabbing tendon that was torn is not about the will and desire of the man as amuch as it is about age and healing ability. Not a fact, but simply the law of averages for younger men with 66% not coming back after the same injury. Possible??? Maybe.......realisitic? NO WAY IN HELL.



    Depends on the degree of the tear. Also, medicine these days is an amazing thing.

    We will soon find out, Mr. Negative.




    Not being negative. Being realistic knowing the facts of the situation. VW was already slipping before the injury. VW does not get better at 33 after this. Are you saying he does, Mr. Positive?



    How was he slipping before the injury? He's been great lately as always. He and Nagata were the two best NTs in football by far for years.  A sprained ankle in Week 1 didnd't change that entering 2013.  

    Can you even name a 300 lb player over 30 who had an Achilles injury?

    You're not a doctor and don't know the extent of the tear either. Obviously, the more weight someone carries, the longer the rehab, but that doesn't mean it cannot be accomplished.

    I did not say he gets better after this, Mr. Reading Comprehension. I said he might be more effective in far less reps, used more strategically.

     




    Oh, I see, your logic seems to be just to argue against my point for the sake of argument then, Mr. Illogical, as you basically agree with what I am saying. VW is not getting better and only sliding in produtivity as he is nearing the end.....You said it!

     
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